[Ossprey]

Is it just me or do the numbering systems denote band?
All the 8xxx series hand sets are GPRS and all the 9xxx hand sets have 3G
Am I right or wrong?

[syb0rg]

IIRC

basically all 8xxx phones are EDGE/EVDO
and
9xxx are 1X/EVDO > 3G

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[elvin1983]

Hmm, you know what, I never did notice this...

The one thing I noticed is that it seems all the devices that run CDMA end with an xx30. 8330, 8530, 8130, 9630, 8830WE, 9530...

There aren't any on GSM carriers higher than a xx20. 8310, 8320, 9000, 9700, 8520, 8900, 8100, 8110, 8120...

Even with the 9xxx series devices being 1XEV/3G, that doesn't explain why the Curve 8330 and Curve 8530 are also 1XEV devices, running 3G speeds. I know that the Curve 8330 runs EVDO Rev. O as opposed to the Tour 9630 runs Rev. A, which is alot faster, but Rev. O is still considered 3G speed. Not really sure what Rev the 8530 runs, but I would assume Rev. A, since it's a newer device...

[syb0rg]

all 3G means is thrid gerneration. meaning GSM phones run HSPA and we are rolling out HSPA+ (some call 3G+)

EDGE is still considered a 3G (being it is the 3rd Generation of radio), but not 3G as the media throws out there.

When you get into the specifics v. "what you've seen on TV".... it becomes verry clear

this think of it this way..

8xxx > 2G - 2.75G

9xxx > 2.75G - 3G

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[noaim]

I never noticed this either its interesting

[afropoika]

What about the 8707g?

[syb0rg]

What about the 8707g?

it uses the 2.75G/EDGE technology

North America: 850 MHz GSM/GPRS networks
North America: 1900MHz GSM�/GPRS networks
Europe/Asia Pacific: 1800MHz GSM/GPRS networks
Europe/Asia Pacific: 900MHz GSM/GPRS networks

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[afropoika]

8707g supports UMTS 2100Mhz. If that isn't 3G to you then the Storm2 isn't 3G either.

BlackBerry from O2 - BlackBerry 8707g
BlackBerry - BlackBerry - BlackBerry | BlackBerry 8707g

[syb0rg]

8707g supports UMTS 2100Mhz. If that isn't 3G to you then the Storm2 isn't 3G either (2.99G?).

BlackBerry from O2 - BlackBerry 8707g

weird.... Phone Arena says....

" GSM Quad-band phone capable of global roaming (850/900/1800/1900 MHz) "



but http://uk.blackberry.com/devices/device-detail.jsp?navId=H0,C63,P183#tab_tab_features

says it is quad band GSM w/ 21oo UMTS

[afropoika]

I don't care what Phone Arena says. It is stated at the official BlackBerry website that the 8707g supports UMTS 2100Mhz.

[syb0rg]

I don't care what Phone Arena says. It is stated at the official BlackBerry website that the 8707g supports UMTS 2100Mhz.

Then, in by meaning of the term 3G, EVERY blackberry made after the 8700 series phone are 3G since they all use the 3rd Generation Radio Platforms.....so the 8xxx = 3G and the 9xxx = 3G....

and for the record book i stand correct the 8707g was a EU version of our 8700g which is not 2100 UMTS compatable...

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[pkcable]

I think RIM has a numbering wheel. And when a new device is set to come out they just spin it and pick whatever comes up!

[afropoika]

I think RIM has a numbering wheel. And when a new device is set to come out they just spin it and pick whatever comes up!

I have another theory.

9000 series marked a new generation of devices. Bold was the first to step in. It was the premium BlackBerry at the time and even if a year later the Curve 8900 came with a few enhancements (higher resolution screen, 3.2Mp camera, 256MB app memory), it was put in the 8000 series, because RIM didn't want it to interfere with the sales of the Bold (aka "PremiumBerry"). Now the Curve 85xx series are 8000 series devices, because they share a lot with their predecessors and recycle leftover stock of components such as the low resolution display.

Making note of the few exceptions such as the 8707g, which does support 3G, there is no logic to RIM's numbering of devices. That is, from a customer point of view. For RIM it certainly must make some sense

edit: mjneid, your reasoning is false. 8707g does support 3G and uses a Qualcomm as opposed to an Intel XScale in the 8700g. See Wiki: List of BlackBerry products - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[syb0rg]

edit: mjneid, your reasoning is false. 8707g does support 3G and uses a Qualcomm as opposed to an Intel XScale in the 8700g. See Wiki: List of BlackBerry products - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wikipedia can go fly a kite for all i care, anyone can edit and post on there...

i've already figured it out... the 8707g is a EU only version of the 8700g. The 8700g N.A. modle is a quad -band GSM version. the 8707g EU version supports the 2100 UMTS..

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[SLVR6]

Good noticing the trend of device numbering. Searching CB may have enlightened you to past discussions. Here it is in a nutshell.

8XXX devices are for the most part <3G devices for GSM (GPRS/EDGE) and EVDO rev 0 for CDMA. Yes the 8707g messes that up, but it was released before the new numbering.
9XXX are all 3G for GSM (HSDPA/UMTS) and EVDO rev A for CDMA.

Now for the other half of the numbering:
XX00 is GSM and can have no additional features (8100/8300/8700) or have both WiFi and GPS (8900/9000/9500/9700 and the coming 9100)
XX10 is GSM and will have GPS (8110/8310)
XX20 is GSM and will have WiFi (8120/8220/8320/8520) and now in the Storm2 9520 WiFi and GPS
XX30 is CDMA and will have GPS (8130/8230/8330/9530/9630) and in the Curve2 8530 both WiFi and GPS
XX50 is CDMA and is the 2nd generation of a XX30 device with GPS and WiFi added (9550/9650) and the there is the Curve 8350 which is CDMA and iDen and has GPS and WiFi

Confused yet? I guess there is a partial logic with many random things thrown in.

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[elvin1983]

Good noticing the trend of device numbering. Searching CB may have enlightened you to past discussions. Here it is in a nutshell.

8XXX devices are for the most part <3G devices for GSM (GPRS/EDGE) and EVDO rev 0 for CDMA. Yes the 8707g messes that up, but it was released before the new numbering.
9XXX are all 3G for GSM (HSDPA/UMTS) and EVDO rev A for CDMA.

Now for the other half of the numbering:
XX00 is GSM and can have no additional features (8100/8300/8700) or have both WiFi and GPS (8900/9000/9500/9700 and the coming 9100)
XX10 is GSM and will have GPS (8110/8310)
XX20 is GSM and will have WiFi (8120/8220/8320/8520) and now in the Storm2 9520 WiFi and GPS
XX30 is CDMA and will have GPS (8130/8230/8330/9530/9630) and in the Curve2 8530 both WiFi and GPS
XX50 is CDMA and is the 2nd generation of a XX30 device with GPS and WiFi added (9550/9650) and the there is the Curve 8350 which is CDMA and iDen and has GPS and WiFi

Confused yet? I guess there is a partial logic with many random things thrown in.

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Excelent job!

[SLVR6]

Thank you!

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[Ossprey]

Good noticing the trend of device numbering. Searching CB may have enlightened you to past discussions. Here it is in a nutshell.

8XXX devices are for the most part <3G devices for GSM (GPRS/EDGE) and EVDO rev 0 for CDMA. Yes the 8707g messes that up, but it was released before the new numbering.
9XXX are all 3G for GSM (HSDPA/UMTS) and EVDO rev A for CDMA.

Now for the other half of the numbering:
XX00 is GSM and can have no additional features (8100/8300/8700) or have both WiFi and GPS (8900/9000/9500/9700 and the coming 9100)
XX10 is GSM and will have GPS (8110/8310)
XX20 is GSM and will have WiFi (8120/8220/8320/8520) and now in the Storm2 9520 WiFi and GPS
XX30 is CDMA and will have GPS (8130/8230/8330/9530/9630) and in the Curve2 8530 both WiFi and GPS
XX50 is CDMA and is the 2nd generation of a XX30 device with GPS and WiFi added (9550/9650) and the there is the Curve 8350 which is CDMA and iDen and has GPS and WiFi

Confused yet? I guess there is a partial logic with many random things thrown in.

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umm this don't work Either I have a 9000 with Evrything except for CDMA. the last two numbers Denote the Carrier version number. don't think it has anythig too do with the handset itself
this is How I think it works

90XX = Quadband 3g large format Bold
91XX = Quadband 3g Pearl
92XX = ??? (3g Pearl flip) ???
93XX = ??? (3g gemini) ???
94xx = ??? (3g blackhawk slide touchscreen) ???
95xx = Quadband 3g touch screen Storm and Storm 2
96xx = Quadband 3g +CDMA Tour
97xx = Quadband 3g Curve format Bold
98xx = ???
99xx = ???

This is going off a bit of numbering research and a bit of logic.

the ??? are for future handsets. this leaves space in the family line for other handsets
3g denotes all third generation high speed cellular data connections
LTE from the info I have gotten from the IET denotes just useing a wimax system so any of the new handsets that have wi-fi will be able too connect too LTE with a software upgrade.

the 8xxx should be the same as above but without the highspeed data.
saying this the Gemini would be the 98XX not the 93XX

useing this numbering sytem you can tell what each handset has and is a logical way of putting the RIM numbering system.

[fabuloso]

General consumers don't care. That's why they have iPhones.

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[anon(1603170)]

umm this don't work Either I have a 9000 with Evrything except for CDMA. the last two numbers Denote the Carrier version number. don't think it has anythig too do with the handset itself
this is How I think it works

90XX = Quadband 3g large format Bold
91XX = Quadband 3g Pearl
92XX = ??? (3g Pearl flip) ???
93XX = ??? (3g gemini) ???
94xx = ??? (3g blackhawk slide touchscreen) ???
95xx = Quadband 3g touch screen Storm and Storm 2
96xx = Quadband 3g +CDMA Tour
97xx = Quadband 3g Curve format Bold
98xx = ???
99xx = ???

This is going off a bit of numbering research and a bit of logic.

the ??? are for future handsets. this leaves space in the family line for other handsets
3g denotes all third generation high speed cellular data connections
LTE from the info I have gotten from the IET denotes just useing a wimax system so any of the new handsets that have wi-fi will be able too connect too LTE with a software upgrade.

the 8xxx should be the same as above but without the highspeed data.
saying this the Gemini would be the 98XX not the 93XX

useing this numbering sytem you can tell what each handset has and is a logical way of putting the RIM numbering system.

basing on the most "recent" scheme

8230 = cmda
9630 = cdma/nowifi
9530 = cmda/nowifi
8330 = cdma/nowifi
8530 = cdma/nowifi
XX30 = cdma/nowifi

8220 = gsm+wifi
8320 = gsm+wifi
8520 = gsm+wifi
8820 = gsm+wifi
XX20 = gsm+wifi

8350 = cdma+wifi
9550 = cdma+wifi
9650 = cmda+wifi
XX50 = cdma+wifi <usually gsm capable> but main = cdma

8800 = gsm+gps
8900 = gsm/both
9000 = gsm/both
8000 = gsm/none
XX00 = either both, none or just 1 <-older tech = wifi ->

8310 = gsm+gps
xx10 = gsm+gps probably

the last two numbers are not carrier specific at all, this is talking about their main purpose/features etc, not how many bands it can support, it all depends how new the device is to have all features, e.g curve 8900, bold 9000, the 8300 is too old xd