HTC Touch HD2 Confirmed for US

[devildrifterX]

Originally Posted by papped

Buying high end phones for longevity is kinda futile imo. If you are willing to pay enough to get that kind of a phone, even if it still gets upgrades down the line you aren't going to be satisfied with it by then compared to what's out.

Im going to have to differ with you on that one. Most phones are sitting on or are coming out are like the 600mhz processor with 256 RAM 2-3 MP cam standard, the HD2 has those specs beat easily. Most phones prolly wont match those specs until ATLEAST halfway next year (granted some phones do like the Xperia X3, but Blackberry is still sitting at 600 Mhz for its top of the devices, same for the iphone. We know no serious powerhouse is coming from RIM for awhile either)

I had a Storm and didnt even get a full year out of it, while mobile technology does move at a fast pace, this device would easily go a year + before being somewhat the "norm" of whats expected. If i got something like this, i wouldnt upgrade again until LTE was the standard (or another Bold sized device dropped)

[TrendyProfessional1]

Originally Posted by devildrifterX

Im going to have to differ with you on that one. Most phones are sitting on or are coming out are like the 600mhz processor with 256 RAM 2-3 MP cam standard, the HD2 has those specs beat easily. Most phones prolly wont match those specs until ATLEAST halfway next year (granted some phones do like the Xperia X3, but Blackberry is still sitting at 600 Mhz for its top of the devices, same for the iphone. We know no serious powerhouse is coming from RIM for awhile either)

I had a Storm and didnt even get a full year out of it, while mobile technology does move at a fast pace, this device would easily go a year + before being somewhat the "norm" of whats expected. If i got something like this, i wouldnt upgrade again until LTE was the standard (or another Bold sized device dropped)

That would hold me for a while; like I said that and phones like it will
be available to all. I could see getting 2yrs out of the hd2 and xperia

[TrendyProfessional1]

I may be wrong but LTE is a whole nother frequency. Here is an interesting link.
So the phones that are coming out now will still work but the may not be able to utilize the 4g/Lte capabilities

http://forums.crackberry.com/f71/lte-vzw-189077/

[papped]

Originally Posted by devildrifterX

Im going to have to differ with you on that one. Most phones are sitting on or are coming out are like the 600mhz processor with 256 RAM 2-3 MP cam standard, the HD2 has those specs beat easily. Most phones prolly wont match those specs until ATLEAST halfway next year (granted some phones do like the Xperia X3, but Blackberry is still sitting at 600 Mhz for its top of the devices, same for the iphone. We know no serious powerhouse is coming from RIM for awhile either)

600mhz phones existed about a year ago...

There have been 800mhz phones that have been released for a long time. Even without that, hardware statistics alone mean nothing...

What is part of the reason the Leo and other phones need high cpu ~1ghz? Because of it's crappy cpu hungry interface...

Take that crap away and you would probably end up with ~600mhz needed anyways...

[championart]

Originally Posted by TrendyProfessional1

Well if it goes to Sprint VZW is sure to follow. But Sprint doesen't have the juice to carry this. I wanted the Imagio from VZW. But I have to try and hold out for this or maybe pay the ETF when it comes and switch

Don't sleep on Sprints partnership with HTC, Sprint has had a lot of non blackberry phones that Verizon never got and had the Diamond for almost a year before Verizon got it at the last second and by then it was too late no one was buying it anymore as they bought the TP1 and even then the Verizon TP1 was a scaled down version it had less memory and was locked down compared to the Sprint version. Sprint has always had a strong relationship with HTC. They've been working with HTC from HTC was manufacturing phones for Palm and were always the first ones in the US to carry HTC devices. Now with Verizon having the TP2 and the Imagio (Diamond 2) i would bet that they wouldn't get this one.

Originally Posted by TrendyProfessional1

Here is one for u. Seeing how google and vzw just signed a new pact.
Rumor: HTC Touch HD2 to run Android | Google Android Blog

If they did come out with a HD2 with Android running on it that would make a lot of sense and would be rightfully targeted for a whole other market especially since Verizon just joined partnership with google. I say no to a HD2 Windows Mobile version for Verizon and yes to a HD2 Android for them if HTC does come out with a HD2 with Android running on it. Either way you win Trendy lol.

Originally Posted by papped

My money is on Tmobile.

Originally Posted by papped

GSM carriers are always the safe bet =P

Cheater , Papped's been in the phone geek business a long time, no betting with him thats like betting with a loan shark lol, also Tmobile UK is already confirmed to carry it so i Tmobile US should be a good bet.

Originally Posted by devildrifterX

Im going to have to differ with you on that one. Most phones are sitting on or are coming out are like the 600mhz processor with 256 RAM 2-3 MP cam standard, the HD2 has those specs beat easily. Most phones prolly wont match those specs until ATLEAST halfway next year (granted some phones do like the Xperia X3, but Blackberry is still sitting at 600 Mhz for its top of the devices, same for the iphone. We know no serious powerhouse is coming from RIM for awhile either)

I had a Storm and didnt even get a full year out of it, while mobile technology does move at a fast pace, this device would easily go a year + before being somewhat the "norm" of whats expected. If i got something like this, i wouldnt upgrade again until LTE was the standard (or another Bold sized device dropped)

Agreed, the norm of a 1ghz snapdragon processor is about a year to a year and a half away for most very few will have it now. But take into account that phone sequels are starting to be released much earlier also. Used to be over a year for a sequel then down to 1 year now we are seeing like 8 to 9 months so technology is advancing rapidly don't be surprised to see it the norm even sooner.

[papped]

Again, unless anyone sees some worthwhile benefit to boosting BB cpu to 800mhz+ (which there isn't), what's the point in bringing up how most BB's are running ~600mhz?

Increase costs and have a pretty number for the hardware specs?

[championart]

Originally Posted by papped

Again, unless anyone sees some worthwhile benefit to boosting BB cpu to 800mhz+ (which there isn't), what's the point in bringing up how most BB's are running ~600mhz?

Increase costs and have a pretty number for the hardware specs?

Lol imagine a BB with a 1ghz snapdragon processor running this limited OS. Would really be a waste. They would need to run overhaul this OS massively to get the use of a 1 ghz processor. Better yet they should just purchase Palm and run Web OS on BB's going forward.

[papped]

You'll prolly start seeing some cpu bumps with the new browser, since browsers usually have a huge hardware requirement.

[devildrifterX]

Originally Posted by papped

Again, unless anyone sees some worthwhile benefit to boosting BB cpu to 800mhz+ (which there isn't), what's the point in bringing up how most BB's are running ~600mhz?

Increase costs and have a pretty number for the hardware specs?

Lets see here...faster processing FOR EVERYTHING would be a start. Browsing, multi-tasking, games (also dependent on GPU which berries dont take advantage of).

Also, most berries ARENT at 600mhz. Only the Bold, soon to be Onyx, the Atlast (asia's Bold) are the only ones, and well they pretty blow the Storm, Tour, 8900 and every other model out the water in everything.

Sure 600+mhz is overkill for BB currently because their OS is ******* garbage. Your telling me youd rather pay a premium for phones that have a [b][/b][b][/b][b][/b][b][/b]ty OS and low specs, or pay the same price and have a phone that would blow the Bold away like it was standing still?

Also, the processor in the Snapdragon is architecturally designed to be efficient on power, meaning its not going to die in 3 hours. OMAP3 from TI and the Tegra are specifically designed to delineate certain responsibilities to parts of their processor like having a GPU take care of all rendering, which make them not only more powerful, but more efficient because they take less time to do said process, and therefore less draining on the battery.

[papped]

Throwing an 800mhz+ cpu in an OS 5 device is not going to improve speeds of everything in the device even close to the costs and lower battery life you are introducing.

You would be much, much, much better off doing something like 2d and 3d hardware acceleration before anything like this at all...

Your telling me youd rather pay a premium for phones that have a [b][/b][b][/b][b][/b][b][/b]ty OS and low specs, or pay the same price and have a phone that would blow the Bold away like it was standing still?

That's incorrect though.. You think I can get a HD2 for the same price as a Bold running 600mhz? Yeah right... You think the 9700 will cost the same as the HD2?

If I wanted to pay for a phone simply because of hardware specs I'd already own a Samsung a long time ago.

[devildrifterX]

Originally Posted by papped

Throwing an 800mhz+ cpu in an OS 5 device is not going to improve speeds of everything in the device even close to the costs and lower battery life you are introducing.

You would be much, much, much better off doing something like 2d and 3d hardware acceleration before anything like this at all...



That's incorrect though.. You think I can get a HD2 for the same price as a Bold running 600mhz? Yeah right... You think the 9700 will cost the same as the HD2?

CX himself has said expect to spend about 600-700 bucks for the new Bold, which isnt far off from the original retail for the Bold (599 with AT&T when it first dropped). HD2 would easily fall in this price range.

Oh, and the processor handles everything for the blackberry. The OS is inefficient in itself. If they stayed on this road the only way to see performance gains would be a faster CPU.

[papped]

You wouldn't even have to compare it to the new Bold. Short of the trackpad there's no dire reason to upgrade, so you might as well compare pricing to the original Bold.

Calling the BB inefficient might make sense, but then you're comparing a WM device... topped off with the LEO ui...

Throw enough hardware specs at it and maybe it will run ok. I don't see how this approach is any different really.

[papped]

Lets not forget that generally the WM6.5 builds had benchmarks for 3d and 2d that were much lower than 6.1.

Maybe they'll do some optimization, but you're not exactly running a blazing fast and efficient OS (for either 6.1 or 6.5)...

[devildrifterX]

Originally Posted by papped

You wouldn't even have to compare it to the new Bold. Short of the trackpad there's no dire reason to upgrade, so you might as well compare pricing to the original Bold.

Calling the BB inefficient might make sense, but then you're comparing a WM device... topped off with the LEO ui...

Throw enough hardware specs at it and maybe it will run ok. I don't see how this approach is any different really.

The first gen Bold cost 599.99 when it first released in the US, expensive as ****, and CX has said we'll see the same price for the new Bold.

WinMo isnt that bad as everyone makes it out to be. Also HTC modded this thing to all ****, while it might have WinMo6.5 underpinnings, numerous things have been changed. I bet if you didnt see that windows flag up top on the screen most people would never know its WinMo.

Also just dumping specs might seem dump and just a selling point (it is for some, i know it is for me) but this ensure this phone will atleast go a year plus. This phone is compatible with WinMo7 (which requires some high processing power to even run). If i were buying a phone of this caliber, id be looking for longevity, 600 bucks is a lot to spend only to be outclassed shortly.

And i know mobile technology is expanding fast, but the standard smartphone is at 500ish mhz. The Pre/iPhone/Bold are running at 600+mhz and are premium phones. I stand by my statement that most phones wont consider 1ghz a "norm" until atleast Q3 2010, when we'll start to see phones packing better more efficient processors.

[papped]

Originally Posted by devildrifterX

WinMo isnt that bad as everyone makes it out to be. Also HTC modded this thing to all ****, while it might have WinMo6.5 underpinnings, numerous things have been changed. I bet if you didnt see that windows flag up top on the screen most people would never know its WinMo.

They tacked an additional shell on top that takes a huge amount of resources.

I can run the LEO TF3D on my phone right now. I'm not talking about touch friendly (which isn't really that much of an issue with 6.5 anyways). The LEO TF3D uses more cpu and memory than all other versions of TF3D.