Blackberry email vs Droid w/ActiveSync

[tlincoln]

This was the one thing keeping me from getting the Droid so we did a test. The Droid Vs two different Blackberrys REAL TIME email!

Test 1... we all work for the same company with BES. My buddy upgraded to the Droid today. 1 Droid, 1 Storm, & 1 Pearl were the phones being tested. I called a buddy and he sent an email to all of us from his phone...we all recieved it at the same time (within a fraction of a second).
Test 2... From a desktop within our Corp Intranet...Again within a fraction of a second received on all three.
Test 3... From the Droid to the two Blackberries and desktop. Again instantly all three received the email.

I'm serious, you couldn't even get out the "I" in "I got mine" before everybody else got theirs.

I forgot why I was loyal to Blackberry, oh ya, their claim to push email......NOT ANYMORE....Droid here I come!!!!!!!!

[jlsparks]

Originally Posted by tlincoln

This was the one thing keeping me from getting the Droid so we did a test. The Droid Vs two different Blackberrys REAL TIME email!

Test 1... we all work for the same company with BES. My buddy upgraded to the Droid today. 1 Droid, 1 Storm, & 1 Pearl were the phones being tested. I called a buddy and he sent an email to all of us from his phone...we all recieved it at the same time (within a fraction of a second).
Test 2... From a desktop within our Corp Intranet...Again within a fraction of a second received on all three.
Test 3... From the Droid to the two Blackberries and desktop. Again instantly all three received the email.

I'm serious, you couldn't even get out the "I" in "I got mine" before everybody else got theirs.

I forgot why I was loyal to Blackberry, oh ya, their claim to push email......NOT ANYMORE....Droid here I come!!!!!!!!

Cool story. Of course you received them at the same time: you were all connected to an Exchange server via BES or AS. Run the same test on a non Exchange, non-gmail account and let us know which device gets the mail fastest.

[trebb]

He did the test for business users. Why does a consumer need their e-mails the EXACT minute they're sent?

I use gmail anyway so it doesn't matter to me.

[JRSCCivic98]

Originally Posted by jlsparks

Cool story. Of course you received them at the same time: you were all connected to an Exchange server via BES or AS. Run the same test on a non Exchange, non-gmail account and let us know which device gets the mail fastest.

It'll be a tossup, but the Droid can get it faster on a manual refresh or the 5 minute lowest autopoll. The BB's will default under the 18 minute BIS poll unless there was recent activity on the account.

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[Jerry Hildenbrand]

Originally Posted by jlsparks

Cool story. Of course you received them at the same time: you were all connected to an Exchange server via BES or AS. Run the same test on a non Exchange, non-gmail account and let us know which device gets the mail fastest.

Cool story.
Run the same test on a non Exchange, non-gmail AND non-RIM server account and let us know which device gets the mail fastest.

What? Can't get your own mail without letting RIM get it first?
Android wins.

So to make it fair....use Googles server to poll your pop accounts and RIM's server to poll as well. Leave phone off for 21 minutes. Send a mail to both. Android gets mail 2 minutes faster.
Android wins.

RIM holds an edge if you use Yahoo. I concede that.

[jlsparks]

Originally Posted by trebb

He did the test for business users. Why does a consumer need their e-mails the EXACT minute they're sent?

I use gmail anyway so it doesn't matter to me.

I'm curious because I have both BES and BIS accounts configured on my device. Consumers have all sorts of reasons to want to receive mail promptly. I won't even get into that.

[jlsparks]

Originally Posted by gbhil

Cool story.
Run the same test on a non Exchange, non-gmail AND non-RIM server account and let us know which device gets the mail fastest.

What? Can't get your own mail without letting RIM get it first?
Android wins.

So to make it fair....use Googles server to poll your pop accounts and RIM's server to poll as well. Leave phone off for 21 minutes. Send a mail to both. Android gets mail 2 minutes faster.
Android wins.

RIM holds an edge if you use Yahoo. I concede that.

As a side note, if I've got 4 non-Exchange accounts on my hypothetical Android device, all polling every 5 minutes, what's the impact going to be on my battery? I'm not being sarcastic here at all, I'm dead serious/curious. If you've been running an Android device for a while what's your experience been with that?

[Jerry Hildenbrand]

Originally Posted by jlsparks

As a side note, if I've got 4 non-Exchange accounts on my hypothetical Android device, all polling every 5 minutes, what's the impact going to be on my battery? I'm not being sarcastic here at all, I'm dead serious/curious. If you've been running an Android device for a while what's your experience been with that?

It's likely not going to be very pretty, but not as bad as one would think. Android does a pretty decent job with power managment AFTER the device has been running for a few days. Think of the "settling in" peroid when you install a leak or hybrid, it's pretty similiar just takes a bit longer for Android. All it has to do is query your pop account and see if new mail is there, and if so then it dl's it. If no new mail, it's just a ping. I would compare a 5 minute poll on an average users mail account (less than 100 daily) to have about the same effect as UbetTwitter did on my curve with a 15 minute refresh. Enough to notice, but not a real impact. I'm polling every 5 on 3 accounts, one of which is VERY active (50-60 mails per hour), running an exchange account as well as the native gmail account here. I came off the charger at 10:40 AM (EST), and still have 51% battery. Granted I have excellent signal strength here and am not using wifi, so that's a big factor. I also haven't used the web on the phone much today. On a heavy use day I get about 18 hours until I get the battery low warning. On an average day I'm still >25% when I go to bed at 4AM (EST)

[tlincoln]

Originally Posted by jlsparks

Cool story. Of course you received them at the same time: you were all connected to an Exchange server via BES or AS. Run the same test on a non Exchange, non-gmail account and let us know which device gets the mail fastest.

When I'm concerned about "Instanteous email" it is for work. I work in the OR(surgery) and sometimes need answer ASAP. After a day at my job, I could careless if I get the email "Honey, grab some tomato's on the way home." a few minutes too late. If its important my family knows to call not email.

[tlincoln]

Originally Posted by jlsparks

As a side note, if I've got 4 non-Exchange accounts on my hypothetical Android device, all polling every 5 minutes, what's the impact going to be on my battery? I'm not being sarcastic here at all, I'm dead serious/curious. If you've been running an Android device for a while what's your experience been with that?

Excuss my ignorance here, but my understanding is that its the actual gmail acount doing the polling/pinging and not the phone, the only time the phone is involved is when an email is sent or received. So by that its not going to have as much of an effect on the battery.

[jlsparks]

Originally Posted by gbhil

It's likely not going to be very pretty, but not as bad as one would think. Android does a pretty decent job with power managment AFTER the device has been running for a few days. Think of the "settling in" peroid when you install a leak or hybrid, it's pretty similiar just takes a bit longer for Android. All it has to do is query your pop account and see if new mail is there, and if so then it dl's it. If no new mail, it's just a ping. I would compare a 5 minute poll on an average users mail account (less than 100 daily) to have about the same effect as UbetTwitter did on my curve with a 15 minute refresh. Enough to notice, but not a real impact. I'm polling every 5 on 3 accounts, one of which is VERY active (50-60 mails per hour), running an exchange account as well as the native gmail account here. I came off the charger at 10:40 AM (EST), and still have 51% battery. Granted I have excellent signal strength here and am not using wifi, so that's a big factor. I also haven't used the web on the phone much today. On a heavy use day I get about 18 hours until I get the battery low warning. On an average day I'm still >25% when I go to bed at 4AM (EST)

Thanks for the good info.

[Jerry Hildenbrand]

Not a problem. Thanks for the civility!

[Marsh511]

Anyone run a test just pushing email from an Exchange server through BIS? Seems people either have BES with Exchange or are trying to push POP mail through BIS, but I just need my Exchange email to come through BIS. On my Storm, it works beautifully (except for not being able to see who else got the cc's) - in fact, my Storm gets the emails quicker than through Outlook via Exchange server on my PCs. Just want to make sure the Droid can get pushed Exchange server emails through BIS (without BES).

Thanks!

Originally Posted by tlincoln

This was the one thing keeping me from getting the Droid so we did a test. The Droid Vs two different Blackberrys REAL TIME email!

Test 1... we all work for the same company with BES. My buddy upgraded to the Droid today. 1 Droid, 1 Storm, & 1 Pearl were the phones being tested. I called a buddy and he sent an email to all of us from his phone...we all recieved it at the same time (within a fraction of a second).
Test 2... From a desktop within our Corp Intranet...Again within a fraction of a second received on all three.
Test 3... From the Droid to the two Blackberries and desktop. Again instantly all three received the email.

I'm serious, you couldn't even get out the "I" in "I got mine" before everybody else got theirs.

I forgot why I was loyal to Blackberry, oh ya, their claim to push email......NOT ANYMORE....Droid here I come!!!!!!!!

[lonndoggie]

Originally Posted by Marsh511

Just want to make sure the Droid can get pushed Exchange server emails through BIS (without BES).

Is it even possible to have Droid talk to BIS to get email? Seems highly unlikely.

[dhendriksen]

BIS = Blackberry Internet Service.

The Droid has nothing to do with BIS. Exchange on the Droid will essentially give you service equivelant to BES on a Blackberry.