The Pre Palm Is Good.. But It's No Blackberry

[Bajanbastard]

Originally Posted by BzB

why is the pre a sub par device? well let's see:

1) build quality of a fisher price toy
2) no sd support or expandable storage. ever.
3) the jokes-on-you miniature portrait only slider keyboard
4) handicapped copy/paste
5) battery life is a joke
6) signal and reception issues. not isolated incidents.
7) no auto spell check.
8) no auto period at end of sentence.
9) no auto capitalization.
10) 3rd party apps needed to sync all outlook stuff and make it a real corp device.
11) laggggG. sure it can multitask but at a cost. oh yeah, and try answering a phone call while having any app open...
12) needs to be reset daily to work right.
13) updates have come fast and furious, but they haven't addressed any real issues that matter to the end user. no new functionality. palm has a bad track record here...
15) need to backup everything on your pre? nope. the "cloud" only backs up some things.
16) need to tell the difference between read and unread messages? so sorry.
17) bubbles and/or blotches in the screen of less than two month old devices.
18) slider wiggles and twists like an oreo cookie.
19) no tethering.
20) no indicator light.
21) no video recorder.
22) palm is holding the sdk hostage.

i could keep going, but I already know what the palm fanboys are going to say. let me say this. good luck to pre users expecting a substantive update. sure a few updates got pushed out quickly, haven't really done much to address the real issues though. and palm's prior track record doesn't bode well for you. an update won't fix any of the most serious problems anyway. the pre needs a significant redesign.

Coming from a Storm owner?

[BzB]

no, coming from a former pre owner.

i'm well aware of the problems and limitations of the storm. see my previous posts on how i feel about the outstanding job () rim has done with the device.

the issue here is the palm fanboys refuse to accept the problems and limitations of the pre. they believe it's perfect. well i for one can tell you, it's far from perfect. and not only that, my list is only scratches the surface of how sub par the pre really is.

[Bajanbastard]

Same can be said about the Storm fanboys as well. Good to see you actually OWNED the phone before though..

I personally find the Pre well not the Pre but WebOS pretty interesting

[joe.kent]

Originally Posted by Flexia

Apparently you haven't used the storm

I would disagree... I have an unlocked storm on AT&T and I love it... only thing I dont like is the autofocus... its a phone, its not suppose to be "that" good... I think its a waste...

[cheech4]

IMO Blackberry is like a Toyota Tundra, reliable nice looking work horse truck, does what you need it to do and all the time.
The Pre is like a V12 Aston martin vantage, sexy, fast, good reputation from company, but not perfect, its still no Lambo.

This is the way i see it, you either want a phone thats gonna work or a phone thats gonna get you laid... which one would you rather have.

[dd214]

Originally Posted by bloodlinebb

Blackberry is way too dependable.. Easy to use..

I messed around with the pre... Weak keyboard.. under thin plastic..
nice displays but i think it's trying too hard to try to keep up with "the eye" of the consumer.. yes it's a nice phone..

but it's no blackberry!

I totally DISAGREE with this.

I have the Pre and the Storm and the PRE Rocks.
Flick scrolling, I haven't had to do ONE battery pull in 3 weeks, it has 3 OS updates since I bought it and it is fast and smooth.

The only down side so far is Sprints netowrk isn't what verizons is.

If Verizons Pre, assuming they get one, is GSM, so it can be used overseas like the Storm, then it will rock. The Storm 2 Better be really damn good or the Pre might it knock it off the shelves.


Before you reply, I am a huge Blackberry fan, but I am honest in my comparisons of the Pre and blackberry so far. If a Blackberry had the Pre OS, it would be gold.

[nem0nic]

the issue here is the palm fanboys refuse to accept the problems and limitations of the pre. they believe it's perfect. well i for one can tell you, it's far from perfect. and not only that, my list is only scratches the surface of how sub par the pre really is.

If you define a palm fanboy as someone who thinks the Pre is a better phone then the Storm after owning both, then I guess I'm in that camp. But I can say without a doubt after owning several Storms (as well as other models of Blackberry from the 7200 on), that the Pre is now a better phone than my Storm ever was.

This is the way i see it, you either want a phone thats gonna work or a phone thats gonna get you laid... which one would you rather have.

This is, at best, an oversimplification. I'm much more productive on my Pre than I was on my BB, and that's without the use of 3rd party apps. As a convergence device, it does a much better job of managing my time and communicating with the people I work with. The only thing missing for me right now is the ability to edit Office documents (a capability that's been announced as coming soon by DataViz). On a personal level, I would be totally satisfied with the Pre if I had a Skype compatible chat client and a decent remote desktop solution. But these are low hanging fruits for WebOS developers, because the tools for both are already in the OS. So my Pre fills the role of "work phone" better than my Storm.

[BzB]

some of you keep trying to qualify the pre problems by comparing it to other devices. all the while ignoring that those comparisons don't change the fact that the pre has serious problems. palm didn't spend enough time designing the phone around the os, and even then left some glaring holes in an otherwise good os. webos has a bright future if they address the details and put it in a phone actually worth a damn. the pre just came out and already needs a redesign. we've seen this happen before. bring on pre 2!

[Bajanbastard]

Originally Posted by BzB

some of you keep trying to qualify the pre problems by comparing it to other devices. all the while ignoring that those comparisons don't change the fact that the pre has serious problems. palm didn't spend enough time designing the phone around the os, and even then left some glaring holes in an otherwise good os. webos has a bright future if they address the details and put it in a phone actually worth a damn. the pre just came out and already needs a redesign. we've seen this happen before. bring on pre 2!

Not bashing you but i just find this really ironic coming from a Storm owner.

[BlaqkAudio]

Originally Posted by BzB

some of you keep trying to qualify the pre problems by comparing it to other devices. all the while ignoring that those comparisons don't change the fact that the pre has serious problems. palm didn't spend enough time designing the phone around the os, and even then left some glaring holes in an otherwise good os. webos has a bright future if they address the details and put it in a phone actually worth a damn. the pre just came out and already needs a redesign. we've seen this happen before. bring on pre 2!

Oh, so that explains why you feel the need to come back here and post the same old **** multiple times

[BzB]

i've been there before. i know what it's like to have a phone that isn't as good as expected.

just like there's hope the storm 2 will actually deliver this time around, there's hope the pre 2 will deliver if it ever sees daylight.

[avt123]

Originally Posted by BzB

i've been there before. i know what it's like to have a phone that isn't as good as expected.

just like there's hope the storm 2 will actually deliver this time around, there's hope the pre 2 will deliver if it ever sees daylight.

The BB OS is not designed for a touch screen. It is meant for devices with physical keyboards and a trackball. OS 5.0 is essentially the same. If it is not a reworked OS designed specifically for the Storm, then you will have the same issues. Just hope it comes with more power under the hood also, at least it wont be "too" laggy.

[nem0nic]

some of you keep trying to qualify the pre problems by comparing it to other devices...

It's idiots like you that keep chiming into the Pre forums slagging the phone and comparing it to a Blackberry. For instance, you don't see me sticking my head into the other device forums complaining about how crap the other phones (*cough* STORM) are. Stop trying to portray yourself as anything other than a RIM fanboy. Your points are often inaccurate or downright wrong, and you obviously don't still own both devices or you wouldn't be making these mistakes. So I don't see your viewpoint as being particularly well informed.

NO ONE is saying that everything is perfect with the Pre (or any other piece of hardware that's available). But the only vector of performance I really care about is how well it works in my life. And I'm saying that on absolutely all fronts the Pre is a better phone for me than the Storm (my previous phone), or any of my previous Blackberries (my last several phones). WebOS positively smokes RIM's OS for everything I do. And before someone chimes in and says something to the effect of "you're not a power user", let me tell you that I use my phone primarily for work in a job where effective communication and scheduling are critical (ironically, I work in hardware development).

[BzB]

i understand being upset about the pre, but no need for the name calling. i was upset too that the pre wasn't as good as hyped.

on the inside the pre is a nice phone, but on the outside it's a disaster. the number of returns are piling up. people are going through 3,4,5 exchanges just to get a phone without problems. i've seen this before with the storm. some pre owners are blind to the fact that it needs a redesign while others are realizing that it's time to move on. they can't live with a keyboard designed for toddler fingers, hardware constantly on the verge of falling apart, a data management strategy that doesn't really protect your info, an os that looks good but in practice has the same limitations (and more) as other smartphones. nice browser though.

many palm faithful are just giving up and going back to their old treos, centros, or moving over to the blackberry fold. maybe pre 2 will be better.

[BlaqkAudio]

Originally Posted by BzB

i understand being upset about the pre, but no need for the name calling. i was upset too that the pre wasn't as good as hyped.

on the inside the pre is a nice phone, but on the outside it's a disaster. the number of returns are piling up. people are going through 3,4,5 exchanges just to get a phone without problems. i've seen this before with the storm. some pre owners are blind to the fact that it needs a redesign while others are realizing that it's time to move on. they can't live with a keyboard designed for toddler fingers, hardware constantly on the verge of falling apart, a data management strategy that doesn't really protect your info, an os that looks good but in practice has the same limitations (and more) as other smartphones. nice browser though.

many palm faithful are just giving up and going back to their old treos, centros, or moving over to the blackberry fold. maybe pre 2 will be better.

It is quite clear that you are beyond upset with your obsession to keep posting along the lines of "The Pre is sub-par...blah blah blah...where's the Pre 2...blah blah blah...The Pre has terrible hardware...blah blah blah..."