palm pre vs blackberry

[BzB]

for shame! how dare you compare the pre's keyboard to any qwerty blackberry. typing on the pre is like trying to type on a keyboard buried in a bowl with keys smaller than chicklets. plus they lack good tactile feedback. by comparison, typing on a blackberry qwerty is like typing on a silky smooth instrument of pleasure.

as for security, i'm talking about native security, not malware someone has to trick you into loading to hack it. truth is the pre lacks any significant native security and putting everything on the internet for 'back up' is a BAD idea. the pre will never be a serious tool for corporations, gov agencies, or individuals who value security.

by the way what happens when you load up all your 3rd party apps on the pre, then you get one of your inevitable 4 replacements for bad hardware (since pre fanboys like lemons) and you need to restore EVERYTHING on the device? you can't do that. with the blackberry you can.

and LOL at all these supercalifragilisticexpialidocious os updates palm will be pushing out to fix os issues and add new functionality. where are they? oh right, they're coming... here's a little secret palm doesn't want you to know...they're good at promising and NEVER delivering. they did it for years to us previous palm owners. and even if they do fix some minor issues, the big ticket items they'll never add for free. and the build quality and keyboard still sux0rs. i guess holding on to your pre for flicking "cards" and browsing purposes isn't a bad idea though.

like i said, the pre isn't even the best device palm makes. while rim has a whole line up of devices and a bunch more coming down the pipe with improved, while admittedly simple, features that work.

every other point i made you agreed with. so what does that say to the masses? you all know the pre is a mediocre device at best with crappy build quality and an even crappier keyboard yet some of you choose to keep it past your 30 day point of no return.

but we see this happen all the time, the pre is like an abusive relationship. it will sweet talk you with the flashy os and nice browser, then turn around and CUT you with the slider. it's like a vicious cycle and a sick thing i tell you. you pre owners need to break the cycle of abuse! i'm just trying to help you out.

[BlaqkAudio]

Originally Posted by BzB

for shame! how dare you compare the pre's keyboard to any qwerty blackberry. typing on the pre is like trying to type on a keyboard buried in a bowl with keys smaller than chicklets. plus they lack good tactile feedback. by comparison, typing on a blackberry qwerty is like typing on a silky smooth instrument of pleasure.

Last time I checked chicklets were young chickens. So naturally, I would expect a phone keyboard to have keys smaller than a young chicken. Now, if you meant chiclets as in the gum, every phone I've had had keys smaller than chiclet gum. And if you want to play that game, then I will say the BlackBerry's keyboard is horribly atrocious compared to the spacious Sidekick keyboard. Furthermore, my Pre's keyboard only has slightly less tactile feedback than my Curve, so unless you consider the Curve to not have "good tactile feedback"...

Originally Posted by BzB

as for security, i'm talking about native security, not malware someone has to trick you into loading to hack it. truth is the pre lacks any significant native security and putting everything on the internet for 'back up' is a BAD idea. the pre will never be a serious tool for corporations, gov agencies, or individuals who value security.

I don't know what kind of "native security" you are talking about. A password? The Pre has that. A PIN? The Pre has that. EAS compatibility? The Pre (now) has that. Inactivity timeout? The Pre (now) has that. Remote wipe? The Pre (now) has that.

Originally Posted by BzB

by the way what happens when you load up all your 3rd party apps on the pre, then you get one of your inevitable 4 replacements for bad hardware (since pre fanboys like lemons) and you need to restore EVERYTHING on the device? you can't do that. with the blackberry you can.

Inevitable? Sorry to disappoint, but it is not "inevitable". Yes, many Pre users have had to replace their Pre, but many have not. I for one have a launch day Pre that has zero hardware problems. Full backups are not really possible, I'll give you that.

Originally Posted by BzB

and LOL at all these supercalifragilisticexpialidocious os updates palm will be pushing out to fix os issues and add new functionality. where are they? oh right, they're coming... here's a little secret palm doesn't want you to know...they're good at promising and NEVER delivering. they did it for years to us previous palm owners. and even if they do fix some minor issues, the big ticket items they'll never add for free. and the build quality and keyboard still sux0rs. i guess holding on to your pre for flicking "cards" and browsing purposes isn't a bad idea though.

Maybe you haven't heard, but Palm just released 1.1 yesterday. Mostly an EAS compatibility update with updates to other core apps. That's 3 minor updates and 1 major update in about one and a half months.

Originally Posted by BzB

like i said, the pre isn't even the best device palm makes. while rim has a whole line up of devices and a bunch more coming down the pipe with improved, while admittedly simple, features that work.

Improved features? RIM has basically kept the same stale OS. The only thing that truly gets updated is the hardware, but even then they're not huge updates. A slightly different form factor, a slightly better screen, a slightly better camera, maybe some more memory. The biggest hardware change so far was the Storm, and that wasn't that great of an experience.

Originally Posted by BzB

every other point i made you agreed with. so what does that say to the masses? you all know the pre is a mediocre device at best with crappy build quality and an even crappier keyboard yet some of you choose to keep it past your 30 day point of no return.

No. What that says is you think the Pre is a mediocre device, you think that it has ****** build quality, and you think that it has a ****** keyboard. Well guess what? Not everyone is like you. I think you fail to realize that. Scratch that. I know you fail to realize that.

Originally Posted by BzB

but we see this happen all the time, the pre is like an abusive relationship. it will sweet talk you with the flashy os and nice browser, then turn around and CUT you with the slider. it's like a vicious cycle and a sick thing i tell you. you pre owners need to break the cycle of abuse! i'm just trying to help you out.

Everyone keeps saying "Oh the Pre's edge is too sharp, it even cuts cheese." Guess what? That was soft cheese. You can cut soft cheese with a plastic spoon. And what is your skin made of, rice paper? This is coming from someone who gets paper cuts on a regular basis at work and can't stand playing steel strings on an acoustic guitar.

Again, not everyone is like you. So stop trying to preach your ideas.

[soulfulzeta]

It's a matter of opinion and in my opinion Blackberry beats Pre. I was ELATED to run back to my Curve 8330 before I was locked into that phone. It looks nice but that's about it. After hard reset, after hard reset after hard reset and the damn thing still froze due to multiple cards being up, back gesture not working probably and NO FORWARDING TEXT MESSAGES?? After I found that out I RAN back to the store to turn in that piece of crap! I am a text Queen!

The sad part about it is out of all the complaints customers have had about the Pre, Palm as a company has not responded yet to anything! They remain silent. Not reassuring enough to me to hold on to it and be locked into a phone that is not capable of basic functionality. I had that phone 19 days and I checked everyday for updates..there was nothing besides going from Web OS 1.2, to 1.3, and then 1.4 based off a security issue. Nothing about updates on basic functions any ole regular phone would do and even now as I'm not a Palm customer, I still logged on to see if anything new was happening. Nothing besides more people saying they're returning the phone! I'm so glad I returned that phone and upgraded to the Tour!

[HypnotizedbyBB]

LMAO I love these debates

[BzB]

Originally Posted by BlaqkAudio

Again, not everyone is like you. So stop trying to preach your ideas.

Not preaching, I think of it more like an intervention. Its ok though, you're probably knee deep in battered pre user syndrome. No worries though, when you're ready to leave your abuser the crackberry community will be here with open arms to welcome you back to the fold.

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[Pimp Lucious]

http://forums.crackberry.com/search....duser&u=468112

Anyone that devotes that much time to hating a product they don't own is either a trolling company shill or has a very unhealthy psychological fixation. Either way, any opinion they offer should be automatically dismissed and any attempt at rational debate/discussion will prove to be an exercise in futility.

[HypnotizedbyBB]

Originally Posted by Pimp Lucious

http://forums.crackberry.com/search....duser&u=468112

Anyone that devotes that much time to hating a product they don't own is either a trolling company shill or has a very unhealthy psychological fixation. Either way, any opinion they offer should be automatically dismissed and any attempt at rational debate/discussion will prove to be an exercise in futility.

There's other users that are far worse

[cheech4]

Originally Posted by soulfulzeta

It's a matter of opinion and in my opinion Blackberry beats Pre. I was ELATED to run back to my Curve 8330 before I was locked into that phone. It looks nice but that's about it. After hard reset, after hard reset after hard reset and the damn thing still froze due to multiple cards being up, back gesture not working probably and NO FORWARDING TEXT MESSAGES?? After I found that out I RAN back to the store to turn in that piece of crap! I am a text Queen!

The sad part about it is out of all the complaints customers have had about the Pre, Palm as a company has not responded yet to anything! They remain silent. Not reassuring enough to me to hold on to it and be locked into a phone that is not capable of basic functionality. I had that phone 19 days and I checked everyday for updates..there was nothing besides going from Web OS 1.2, to 1.3, and then 1.4 based off a security issue. Nothing about updates on basic functions any ole regular phone would do and even now as I'm not a Palm customer, I still logged on to see if anything new was happening. Nothing besides more people saying they're returning the phone! I'm so glad I returned that phone and upgraded to the Tour!

Not for nothing but forwarding text messages is just a software update away, when i don't know but I'm sure its in the works. Palm has done a great job with providing updates with the Pre unlike blackberry.
Lastly u say upgraded to the Tour, i had the Tour, i wouldn't call it an upgrade. If you didn't like the phone you didn't like the phone that's your choice and opinion, but the Tour is definitely not an upgrade.

[BzB]

really now pimpin? are we no longer free to discuss a device in the proper forum for said device? what happened to the second amendment? who's rights am i violating? why the outcry for censorship? well let me tell you this, i will continue to voice my opinion on how bad the pre is in whatever forum i'm allowed until palm comes out with a pre 2 or my tormented pre 1 brothers and sisters are free from the shackles of smart phone abuse! viva la revolucion!!!

lighten up, it's only a phone.

Originally Posted by Pimp Lucious

http://forums.crackberry.com/search....duser&u=468112

Anyone that devotes that much time to hating a product they don't own is either a trolling company shill or has a very unhealthy psychological fixation. Either way, any opinion they offer should be automatically dismissed and any attempt at rational debate/discussion will prove to be an exercise in futility.

[BlaqkAudio]

Originally Posted by BzB

really now pimpin? are we no longer free to discuss a device in the proper forum for said device? what happened to the second amendment? who's rights am i violating? why the outcry for censorship? well let me tell you this, i will continue to voice my opinion on how bad the pre is in whatever forum i'm allowed until palm comes out with a pre 2 or my tormented pre 1 brothers and sisters are free from the shackles of smart phone abuse! viva la revolucion!!!

lighten up, it's only a phone.

First of all, it's the first amendment. Second of all, that only applies to government censorship of speech. Last time I checked, CrackBerry has nothing to do with the government.

If you're going to be troll, at least get your damn facts straight.

[BzB]

amendment schmendment. you know what i meant. lol

[Pimp Lucious]

Originally Posted by soulfulzeta

It's a matter of opinion and in my opinion Blackberry beats Pre. I was ELATED to run back to my Curve 8330 before I was locked into that phone. It looks nice but that's about it. After hard reset, after hard reset after hard reset and the damn thing still froze due to multiple cards being up, back gesture not working probably

Got a good chuckle out of this post. Quickpull was one of the most important apps on my Curve, so phone reboots should never be an argument brought up in a post championing a BB.

and NO FORWARDING TEXT MESSAGES?? After I found that out I RAN back to the store to turn in that piece of crap! I am a text Queen!

Does BB OS even have true threaded sms/mms messaging yet. To be worried about txt forwarding on the Pre when the implementation of texting on BB of all devices is way behing that of Apple, WebOS and even cheap texting phones UI. My Pre text conversations are threaded indefinitely while my Curve threading, or lame excuse for it, lasted for maybe a few days. This is rich.

Palm WebOS SMS(with integrated IM)



iphone SMS



BB SMS



Text forwarding takes all of a few minutes to enable in WebOS. It's a simply OS patch meaning Palm will likely enable it long before BB gets a SMS implementation that doesn't look like it belongs in 2003.

The sad part about it is out of all the complaints customers have had about the Pre, Palm as a company has not responded yet to anything! They remain silent. Not reassuring enough to me to hold on to it and be locked into a phone that is not capable of basic functionality. I had that phone 19 days and I checked everyday for updates..there was nothing besides going from Web OS 1.2, to 1.3, and then 1.4 based off a security issue. Nothing about updates on basic functions any ole regular phone would do and even now as I'm not a Palm customer, I still logged on to see if anything new was happening. Nothing besides more people saying they're returning the phone! I'm so glad I returned that phone and upgraded to the Tour!

This portion of the post really shocked me. I had the Curve for a year and I remember waiting months, months, and more months for fixes. Many major issues are still outstanding and discussed frequently right on this forum. To hear this kind of statement about any other OS from a BB user is laughable. Palm is addressing issues at a very good pace pace relative to any other OS. Compared to RIM its doing so at an amazing pace.

[boomhower1820]

I just went through this decision so I'll through out my $.02. I was tired of Windows Mobile and needed a change so it was either the BB Tour or the Pre. If I chose the BB it would have been my first so its not like I have a long allegiance to the brand. I messed around with the Pre at a BB and the keyboard just blew. The keys were tiny and it just felt gummy. The build quality felt bad and user reviews tend to reflect the same. The one thing that killed it for me was that it cannot tether. That was the main decision maker.

So I bought the Tour site unseen. Overall I have been very happy with it. OS looks nice, its fast, has a serviceable keyboard. Overall best phone I have bought in years. I recently bought my wife an 8830 and the OS on that thing blows, it is just flat out ugly. If I went from that mess to a Pre I would probably be jumping for joy as well. I know themes likely make it easier on the eyes but man, stock that thing is pretty darn bad.

The Pre is a good device, for those that choose it, enjoy. Hopefully Palm gets it act together on the HW side and makes it a more durable handset. It is a viable alternative to the BB. Different devices for different people. I don't see why it needs to be a pissing contest on which device is better. Granted the OP obviously started the thread trying to pick a fight and start a flame war.

[clownfart]

I really need to go into a Sprint store and try one out. The WebOS looks so great.

[XxXjacobXxX]

Web os is so great! I could never go back to my blackberry because this phone is so lite and it has full touchscreen and a qwerty keybored which is great 4 txting and emailing batterylife sucks but you can go to sprint and they will give you a 2nd battery for free great I know I could never go back to my non touch blackberry! The only thing the pre is missing that the blackberry has is the labeling SPACE on the space bar but really who kneeds that everybody knows that is the space bar

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