For Everyone That believes the storm is great!

[Darkw1sh]

I have been a blackberry user since 1999, When blackberry released the two way pagers, i hvae owned over 10 blackberries over the years, i have always had the top of he line blackberry, well at least since 2002, when they made the two-way pager into an actual phone, I loved every single blackberry i had until now, every single blackberry had upgrades a faster processor a better screen etc etc.... I am not saying this phone doesn't have an immaculate screen nor am i saying that the processor is faster what i am saying is Blackberry released something that was not thought threw, and the public, pushed it. I have had 5 not 4 not 3 not 2 but FIVE replacement storms, for glitches, not software glitches physical hardware problems!

Now to everyone saying the iPhone is a toy, yes it is a toy, but so is any phone, think about it, if your really going to say an iPhone is a toy and post a Thread 2 minutes later asking for a slider unlock or cooler applications, your the child... any smartphone has the potential of being a good buisness phone, why i have chosen to stick with blackberry, god knows, but i am glad i have...
as for the storm the release date was to soon, the phone has way to many problems in software and technical stages. Memory leaks are everywhere.

As for the positives!
Good looks, great name!

Technical:
I have had blackberries for too long, so i know them inside and out how to format how to back up how to update, the updates are getting better but i think it still needs a lot of work to get to the stability that the iPhone is at(at its peak moments) vs Blackberry(almost anytime you are running multiple applications!)

Thank You,
Darkw1sh

PS You can flame me if you want you can write how great the Blackberry Storm is, you can write me a poem, its whatever will make u sleep better at night, because in the end deep down in there you hate the phone a little just like everyone else! And you remember that hate when you do a battery pull and you are waiting on an important phone call... And if you do love it, you are deep down inside a kid that needs the iphone, because any business man can agree with me a phone should work like a charm!

PSS- I am a kid on the inside because (ex.) what grown adult would have waited 12 hours in front of verizon in a suit(I had work in the morning).

[gilmored]

Yep... I think I agree with this.
Dave

[Evilhomer]

I agree as well. I was really going to replace my iPhone with the Storm but it is just not dependable enough for business use. Many people here say the Storm is a business device and not a toy like the iPhone. I will acknowledge that Blackberrys are business devices, but not the Storm. The Storm is far too unreliable to use for most businesses.

The iPhone could be considered a toy if all you put on it is games. But there are literally thousands of very useful business applications that make it a very solid business device. The people here often talk as if the iFart is the ONLY application on the iPhone, yet it was one of the FIRST applications for the Storm.

The worst part about some of the Storm users here is that they are hypocritical. They say the iPhone is a toy, but as the OP posted, beg for iPhone like functionality and applications.

I'd say until we get a SOLID OS for the Storm, it's no better than a toy to beta test.

[MrWashy]

I honestly have had very very few problems. Never had to replace it, crashes are rare (usually because I forget to do a battery pull after installing!), calls come through no problem. My only annoyance is the rotation when sending photos. Maaybe I'm lucky but others I know (personally) who use the Storm have also experienced few problems.

[kb5zht]

Get use to the beta test/leaked OS /pre mature released product scenario. I am afraid the genie has been let out of the bottle with smart phones, and bug fix ”patches” are here too stay.

My last phone was a motorola razor. Definite improvement going to a storm.

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[torque916]

Hope this gc that is coming out will fix most of this stuff. Doing all these hybrid are getting ridiculous.

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[Devlyn16]

When it coem sto assessing the Storm, i think we need to rememebr that users are coming from diffretn palces/

Some are Former BB users.
Some are coming Other "Brand Name" smart phones (Palm, Win-mo ETC).
Some are coming from "Almost" Smart Phones (LG EnV ETC).
SOme are coming from Dumb Phones.

What you think and what you expect is based on what you had before.

I had a Palm Treo 700 running win-mo. The Storm is a vast improvement on that device. And becasue I was used to having to take an active role in ensuring my Treo was functioning properly, I see the fact I spend less time doing that on my Storm as an improvement. The features that I need to work do so.

Of course I have been blessed with a phone that, to date, has been free form hardware problems as well.

[hudss]

it's i before e except after c not both

[Neurobit]

I am in a similar situation.

I've have been using Blackberries since the 950 series, (the pager size device, gold monochrome screen), since around 1999-2000 (worked for a major computer mfg. here in Houston, and we were doing product evaluation in my group).

I've had had pretty much every Blackberry that has come out since that was available to whatever carrier we were using, the Pearl being my last before the Storm.

Being an IT Manager, cell phone procurement / administration is one of the responsibilities handled by my department, including our BES server, so I have access to myriad of devices, and several different Blackberry models from several providers, as well as a big chunk of Windows Mobile devices (mostly Moto "Q"), and a couple of iPhones (user owned, that connect to our Exchange server, and will not use anything else even after we ofered to pay for the monthly service... go figure).

Since the Storm was a device that a few users were expressing interest in upgrading to in our enterprise, I got one ordered for myself to assess it's viability in a business environment, and after the first week of testing, I discouraged everyone else to get one (I am on .109 and still do), due to inconsistent performance, slowness, and complexity (we are talking regular users, not techies here), since when we deploy a phone, we don't want to have to keep upgrading firmware, stick business cards behind the batt compartment, adjust screen screws, or having the end users do batt pulls when their phones don't work properly. We need a device that is reliable, each and every time, so we are sticking with the Pearl and Curve.

I love RIM's devices, their innovation and rock-solid products but I think that with the Storm, they seriously dropped the ball and I hope that they can pick it back up, or else someone else will...

I still have mine, but will be dropping it when the Palm Pre is released and I have a chance to test drive it and assess it's viability in a business environment just as I did with the Storm.

Thanks,
Neurobit

[RCCollins]

The Storm is a departure for RIM, it is not reliable nor good at what it does, it is simply a "Me too!!!" device that fails miserably.

[bigman2]

Something you leave out of your post, is whether or not you bought each of those within the first 6 months of their life, or if you waited until they were a bit more mature until the Storm.

And the somewhat unfortunately reality, is that the market is a very different place now compared to 1999. Competition has gotten increasingly fierce, and the shelf-life of the average cell phone is 6 months, if that. A phone has a maximum of 6 months to "make it" before something new comes out. If it hasn't "made it" by then, it will fall to the wayside and be forgotten. Not only that, assuming a phone does "make it", you tend to have around 2 years before the contracts are up for the early adopters, and you need to have something else already on the market. So you, as a cell phone manufacturer, can't afford to simply take your to get a device "right" anymore. That holds true for everyone, not just RIM. Motorola, LG, Nokia, Samsung, HTC... All of these companies face the same pressures, and that's why you have seen a sharp decline in quality across the board the past couple of years. Go to Amazon some time, and read customer reviews for a bunch of phones. Most of the time you'll find a lot of people complaining about the cheap build quality and overall "crappyness" of the phone. Doesn't matter who makes the phone, you'll probably find a bunch of complaints like that.

It sucks, I know, I'm with everyone who wants companies to spend the time it takes to get a device right... I'm also for a REDUCTION in the number of features in a phone. Or at least a freeze on new capabilities until the current set has been perfected. But we can wish for that all we want, it's not really going to change anything.

[Evilhomer]

Great post Neurobit.

I think many of the users who love their Storm are not having to use it or support it in a corporate environment. Corporate Blackberry end users are not those who "tweak" anything and are usually not techies. The large majority of our BB users are brokers and sales staff. NOT the IT department.

What some users don't understand when they get on this site and defend the Storm up, down and sideways, is that some of us are managing tens of dozens or more users. Users who wanted the Storm not as an iPhone replacement, but as a replacement for their previous BB. They expected, like any other BB device, for it to just work. It doesn't. You can constantly tweak, flash, uninstall apps and screw with the hardware. But this is NOT the typical BB end user.

[olta777]

I can't help with hardware and do agree with you. About OS though, try bbcrackmans .114 hybrid. I love it and so all other people that are running it. This OS is what the storm should have been released with. Sorry to hear about your problems. It just a draw of luck I guess. I am on #3, but some people are still on their 1st from Nov 21st.

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[Neurobit]

Originally Posted by bigman2

Something you leave out of your post, is whether or not you bought each of those within the first 6 months of their life, or if you waited until they were a bit more mature until the Storm.

We get every new phone when they are released so we can evaluate it, just like we did with the Storm.

Thanks,
Neurobit

[limjelo]

Wow, just wow.

Thanks for telling me how I should feel about my phone.

Blackberry released something that was not thought threw, and the public, pushed it. I have had 5 not 4 not 3 not 2 but FIVE replacement storms, for glitches, not software glitches physical hardware problems!

That really sucks that you've had 5 phones. Personally, I've had mine since the day it came out with absolutely no issues.

if your really going to say an iPhone is a toy and post a Thread 2 minutes later asking for a slider unlock or cooler applications, your the child

I've said this countless times and I'll say it again, if I want some of the function and "look" of the iPhone, it doesn't mean that I want an iPhone. Case Closed. If that makes me a child, so be it. That makes you a tool if you truly believe in your initial statement because it carries no logic whatsoever.

because in the end deep down in there you hate the phone a little just like everyone else!

Um, No. No I don't. The phone has performed as expected. Sure it could run a bit quicker here and there but it gets the job done and it will only get better.

And you remember that hate when you do a battery pull and you are waiting on an important phone call... And if you do love it, you are deep down inside a kid that needs the iphone, because any business man can agree with me a phone should work like a charm!

So let me get this straight. If I love my Storm, that means I am a kid and I secretly need an iPhone? You are too much.

BTW, I've probably done 2 or 3 battery pulls in 5+ months of ownership. Use Quickpull scheduler nightly and everything is good to go.