Yet another .148 Battery problem

[doekim]

Yes, I know there are other threads already (and they are filled with sanctimonious responses), and rather than just add my question/help to those threads, I'm commenting on a new one.

History:

.75 OS - no changes to the phone from the day I picked it up (last Dec). Typical day use (email, phone, surf the web, etc) I'd say I was in the 'moderate use' camp at best. Six months and I would routinely use up no more than 75% of capacity (25% left). There was even occasion where there was still sufficient charge left to go 2 days if I managed the calls and phone use. Typically, by end of the evening phone went on the charger.

FWIW, unlike others here I never tried any OS not supported/sanctioned by VZW. And not loaded any more apps.

Last night, I proceeded with the .148 update:

- fully charged the phone
- Battery pull
- Desktop Manager - Full backup
- Desktop Manager - Full new .148 install (install appears to have completed without error).
- Phone back on charger overnight (100% this a.m.)

Today... my phone shut off due to lack of battery at 2p. I made (1) three minute phone call today, no web, and mostly routine emails (as before, NO GPS, bluetooth, etc)

Something changed here, and it was NOT the hardware. The ONLY thing that changed was the OS to .148

What this tells me, is that as a result of the upgrade some software process is executing (that was NOT executing in .75) that is causing the battery to drain at an alarming rate.

In summary, I went from a phone with a marginally good user interface and pretty good battery life, to now having a phone that won't stay powered on 6 hours (but the camera no longer has a delay - whoopy doo!).

There are FAR to many folks having similar problems for me to believe all our hardware just coincidentally went south at the same time we did a .148 upgrade (statistically not probable). In RIM doing their testing, the bad battery problem has fallen through the quality testing.

Unless someone can discover a resolution, I'll be doing a downgrade to .75

Doekim

[706storm]

This is pretty hard to believe seeing as the first 3 days that I had .75 I couldn't make it 6 hours without it being almost dead. Now, .148, which I got as a leak about 2 weeks ago, can last a few days, but I don't let it.

I don't really see what went wrong. Maybe try doing a battery pull and try it out for a few more days.

[doekim]

Thanks for your response. Let me see if I can summarize.

With 0.75, I rarely did any battery pull (I did have an occasional need to do this but NEVER to recover from a battery drain issue)

Now with .148, I'm supposed to fix a battery drain problem (that didn't exist with .75) by doing battery pulls?

Yup.... That's why I paid good money for a cel phone so that I could waste my time opening the back of the phone and pulling the battery. Maybe I could start doing this during meetings when I'm bored.

Rather, I'd just like to the phone I paid for, to one simple thing:

Let me send and receive phone calls during the day without a charger attached!

Doekim

[snowman2009]

Had same problem after doing an over the air install. Verizon support recommended doing a backup, a wipe clean, and then a reinstall of .148. I did the backup, then the wipe clean but not a reinstall and now my battery lasted through the night and is acting more like it did before the upgrade to .148. I am slowly reinstalling my apps.

[706storm]

What I'm saying is, sometimes it's necessary for this phone to be reset, not necessarily swiped, but just a reset (battery pull) for everything to "flow" more smoothly. At least, I've found this to be true. After EVERY OS upgrade I've done, which I've done two (.141 and .148), I always make it a point to do *228, option #2, and also a battery pull, just for everything to recoup.

My phone's been off the charger for about 5 hours, I'm at 90%, and I've been doing heavy texting/browsing the web.

It COULD be the device itself, I'm not sure...sorry I haven't been able to help.

[JNABBOTT]

I would recommend that you wipe and reinstall. I do not have any problems with battery life. I get about 14 hours out of a battery before it cuts radio and I am a power user.

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[hookbill]

See the problem isn't "Yet another battery problem." The problem is "Yet another thread on this." Yes, I saw your justification of starting a new thread but all this does is make it look like everybody is having problems. As you can see from the responses you got, this just isn't so.

[Sniperet]

OK I've been running .148 since it leaked, took my phone off charge about 6 am and now 12.5 hours later my battery is at 90% with light usage today. With heavy use I might get down to 50-60% in a 12 hour day.

1. Contrary to your implications the vast majority of people are not experiencing battery problems after installing .148.

2. If pulling your battery is too much of a problem for you, you probably shouldn't be using a Blackberry since battery pulls are the only way to do a complete restart of the phone. My experience is that all Blackberry's need a battery pull every once in a while. Also it is advisable to do a couple of OS restarts (battery pulls) after installing a new OS.

3. Sometimes after installing an OS some of your phone settings get changed. Have you checked the things that could impact your battery usage like Mobile Network Settings?

[HelloNeumann]

Originally Posted by Sniperet

OK I've been running .148 since it leaked, took my phone off charge about 6 am and now 12.5 hours later my battery is at 90% with light usage today. With heavy use I might get down to 50-60% in a 12 hour day.

1. Contrary to your implications the vast majority of people are not experiencing battery problems after installing .148.

2. If pulling your battery is too much of a problem for you, you probably shouldn't be using a Blackberry since battery pulls are the only way to do a complete restart of the phone. My experience is that all Blackberry's need a battery pull every once in a while. Also it is advisable to do a couple of OS restarts (battery pulls) after installing a new OS.

3. Sometimes after installing an OS some of your phone settings get changed. Have you checked the things that could impact your battery usage like Mobile Network Settings?

Exactly, think of it like when Windows updates and after the install it tells you that you have to restart your computer for the update to take effect. For a BB you may have to do two or three battery pulls then you will see it working hopefully better than before. Battery life has increased dramatically for me. Also as stated above make sure your settings haven't changed. Hope this helps you.

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[gtstang462002]

Originally Posted by HelloNeumann

Exactly, think of it like when Windows updates and after the install it tells you that you have to restart your computer for the update to take effect. For a BB you may have to do two or three battery pulls then you will see it working hopefully better than before. Battery life has increased dramatically for me. Also as stated above make sure your settings haven't changed. Hope this helps you.

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One battery pull is the same as 3. The only thing the 2 extra pulls are good for is pulling the battery down even more.

OP- You my friend are in the minority here and stating that 20 people out of 1.5 million is a large group is just fooling yourself. Once in a while you should probably run the battery dead and then recharge completely so that the processor can relearn the battery limits and start fresh. This has been discussed a couple of times and reading through some of the "my battery" threads in their entirety would have given you your answer.

[fcortese]

I am having no such battery problems, but then again my phone sits in its Seidio holster on my hip all day. I have Quick Pull and it does a scheduled "batt pull" during the night every night. Right now after a day's use of phone calls, checking emails with several replies my batt is at 94%. Granted I do not do a lot of texting and internet browsing and I don't have a lot of apps running in the background.

[doekim]

Originally Posted by gtstang462002

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OP- You my friend are in the minority here and stating that 20 people out of 1.5 million is a large group is just fooling yourself. Once in a while you should probably run the battery dead and then recharge completely so that the processor can relearn the battery limits and start fresh. This has been discussed a couple of times and reading through some of the "my battery" threads in their entirety would have given you your answer.

Thanks for your kind response. For the record (and if you'll read my original post) I never once said anything about "20 people out of 1.5 million". In terms of problems, reading through the threads, battery power is the number one issue.

I did read through the battery issue threads and they are filled with the same sanctimonious response as you've provided ("...reading through the threads would have given you your answer."). If it had, I wouldn't have posted.

Doekim

[doekim]

Originally Posted by Sniperet

...2. If pulling your battery is too much of a problem for you, you probably shouldn't be using a Blackberry since battery pulls are the only way to do a complete restart of the phone. My experience is that all Blackberry's need a battery pull every once in a while. Also it is advisable to do a couple of OS restarts (battery pulls) after installing a new OS.

You have got to be kidding me. I'm sure RIM would support your assertion (not) and Apple, Motorola, Nokia et.al would have a hay-day seeing this posted.

"If pulling your battery is too much of a problem for you, you probably shouldn't be using a Blackberry..."

Had I known that the common practice remedy for using ANY cel phone required "...a battery pull every once in a while." I would have chosen another cel phone. Somehow, I'm guessing this is NOT part of the VZW training material "Yes sir! And unlike our other cel phone offerings, the Blackberry requires you do a battery pull every once in a while."

Thanks for your help.

Doekim

P.S. And before you respond with "All cel phones require battery pulls", my other phones never needed this nor is it even possible on the Jesus-phone.

[706storm]

Originally Posted by doekim

You have got to be kidding me. I'm sure RIM would support your assertion (not) and Apple, Motorola, Nokia et.al would have a hay-day seeing this posted.

"If pulling your battery is too much of a problem for you, you probably shouldn't be using a Blackberry..."

Had I known that the common practice remedy for using ANY cel phone required "...a battery pull every once in a while." I would have chosen another cel phone. Somehow, I'm guessing this is NOT part of the VZW training material "Yes sir! And unlike our other cel phone offerings, the Blackberry requires you do a battery pull every once in a while."

Thanks for your help.

Doekim

P.S. And before you respond with "All cel phones require battery pulls", my other phones never needed this nor is it even possible on the Jesus-phone.

I have two close friends with iphones (3g models) and their phones reset themselves, freeze up, etc a lot. IF a battery pull was possible on the iphone, I'm sure it'd be put to use across the world.

This phone that you have is a computer. It's not a LG flip phone, it's not a Samsung "buy one get 17 free" phone; It's one of the most advanced cell phones on the American market, and that goes uncontested.

No, neither VZW nor RIM market the requirement of battery pulls because they aren't techincally required, but they are nice, easy ways to reset your phone. And this works with any phone; battery pull = reset.

It's not like you have to do a battery pull once a day or even once a week, but if you start incurring problems, lagging, etc it IS a possible solution to do a battery pull.

I use this phone for virtually everything; a random girl asked me at the movie theatre what some Witch Mountain movie was about so I simply opened Poynt, read the synopsis, and told her. She and her mom both thanked me. This was at about 7 PM; my phone had been off the charger for approximately 8 hours. Battery life = around 80% and I had been surfing, texting, calling ALL DAY.

As I mentioned before, it COULD very well be a device malfunction. OR you have brightness on like 100% with 40sec timer running every app all day. Then of course, as expected, it'd drained quickly.

[wxman2003]

I was also having batteries issues after upgrade. I allowed the battery to drain to zero where it then shut off the phone. I then recharged the phone. Now I get a lot more battery life. I have read that sometimes when you do an upgrade, it may not read properly how much battery power it has. So 5% life may not be 5%. But the phone still reads it as 5% and then begins to shut it off. A total drain and recharge may solve this. Not a battery memory per se, but the phone OS improperly reading the battery strength. It worked for me. I also recharged it outside of the phone in a seperate charger. Could just all be coincedence.