Secret Memory File

[Sith_Apprentice]

Anything BUT messages sent to you from BIS e-mails can be logged if they so choose. Anything that is not logged, can be blocked. If it is on their network they can do just about whatever they want.

[jakeboyer11]

Originally Posted by berryquest

That is incorrect. Pin to pin messages do not go through the server. Neither do SMS. Neither do BBM. IT department may be able to track it if they want to, and it seems like they certainly can in some fashion if they affirmatively set it up that way, but that doesnt answer the question of whether there are local files containig the content of BBM, SMS and Pin messages on the berry itself, or otherwise stored on a RIM server somewhere.

You may want to do some checking on that information because your provisioning is different as soon as you add the BES feature to an account. And all data is sent through the BES (SMS, P2P, E-mails, etc.) with the feature and a CAL set up. I've spoken to our companies BES administrator as well as a BB tech and they have confirmed that information. Unless, for some reason, I was lied to by them; I would double check your information.

I apologize if this comes off as being a "smart a$$" (can't say a s s) that was not my intention, I just want the people to have to correct information

[aristile]

Originally Posted by berryquest

Yo assume too much, sir. I am not doing "questionable" things, but I do sometimes have private conversrations with my wife, friends, family etc. on my work device and I don't want them on my company server. So yes, I could just stop and that would make the point of this thread irrelevant, but I would prefer to know the technical answer (sort of the point of the forum, eh?) rather than give up simply because you dont know the answer to my question.

So, it seems there is something called "Log Files" that the IT Admin can access to look at SMS, Pins, etc. So now I am trying to find out what those are and where they are stored.

First you mentioned that I was incorrect about assuming you were doing questionable things on your device and then in the next statement you validated my point about doing questionable things by mentioning in you have private conversations with family or friends. So the point was making is not irrelevant at all. Either you are allowed to have these conversations on your work device or you are not allowed. If you are allowed then this not an issue, if you are not allowed then you should already know the solution.

[Sith_Apprentice]

Lets see, a few links
View Document
What does BES see; what can be tracked/logged? - Port3101.org : Your BES Connection

The second explains the best part. Third party IM services (beejive, etc) and the contact information for your PIN messages cannot be seen. EVERYTHING else can be seen or blocked.

[jakeboyer11]

Sith_Apprentice, Thank you for confirming what I said originally with a link. I appreciate it

[berryquest]

Originally Posted by aristile

First you mentioned that I was incorrect about assuming you were doing questionable things on your device and then in the next statement you validated my point about doing questionable things by mentioning in you have private conversations with family or friends. So the point was making is not irrelevant at all. Either you are allowed to have these conversations on your work device or you are not allowed. If you are allowed then this not an issue, if you are not allowed then you should already know the solution.

I am going to respond to this and then I am done with this silly part of the discussion. I am 100% permitted to talk to my wife and friends on my work device as I assume most people are. That doesnt mean, however, that I want those conversation recorded by my IT department anymore than I want them to record my telephone calls to her, etc. They are called private conversations. They are not questionable, just private. Go away.

[ClintRo]

Hahaha.... Just a little defensive there.

Maybe we should chill a little!

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[sunshower.beauty]

Originally Posted by berryquest

I am going to respond to this and then I am done with this silly part of the discussion. I am 100% permitted to talk to my wife and friends on my work device as I assume most people are. That doesnt mean, however, that I want those conversation recorded by my IT department anymore than I want them to record my telephone calls to her, etc. They are called private conversations. They are not questionable, just private. Go away.

i don't think any of your IT people at work are going to go through the trouble to find these files, logs, etc and spend even more time reading and sifting through them. unless someone at your IT department is a creep or looking for stuff to get you fired. i'm pretty sure you're pretty safe. especially if, as you said, you're okay to talk to your wife on your business phone.

[sunshower.beauty]

Originally Posted by ClintRo

Hahaha.... Just a little defensive there.

Maybe we should chill a little!

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i agree! there's no reason to get so pee pee hearted about it.

[berryquest]

Originally Posted by jakeboyer11

You may want to do some checking on that information because your provisioning is different as soon as you add the BES feature to an account. And all data is sent through the BES (SMS, P2P, E-mails, etc.) with the feature and a CAL set up. I've spoken to our companies BES administrator as well as a BB tech and they have confirmed that information. Unless, for some reason, I was lied to by them; I would double check your information.

I apologize if this comes off as being a "smart a$$" (can't say a s s) that was not my intention, I just want the people to have to correct information

You're probably right where BES monitoring features are turned on. I was assuming that whatever tracking features are available were turned off when I made that comment. And if they are turned off, does that mean that they cannot get the data once it has been sent and deleted on the device? It seems like they cannot get it a day or two later -- that they in fact have to be tracking it actively at the time of transmission or it is gone.

[Sith_Apprentice]

If it is turned off, then it is not being logged. once turned on, those log files stay for as long as you want them to.

[Sith_Apprentice]

Originally Posted by berryquest

I am going to respond to this and then I am done with this silly part of the discussion. I am 100% permitted to talk to my wife and friends on my work device as I assume most people are. That doesnt mean, however, that I want those conversation recorded by my IT department anymore than I want them to record my telephone calls to her, etc. They are called private conversations. They are not questionable, just private. Go away.

You are allowed to if your IT/Company says you are. If they say you are not, then you are not, its that simple. Only you, and your company know your policy. However, you are allowed based on them being able to log, if they are logging, they can view whatever they want (as per the links above).

[lazerus]

The beauty of BES is yes, you can log every sms, bbm, etc etc. Oh my, the x rated sms texts we read.... so to those that said its not possible. It surrrrrre is.

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[aristile]

Originally Posted by Sith_Apprentice

Lets see, a few links
View Document
What does BES see; what can be tracked/logged? - Port3101.org : Your BES Connection

The second explains the best part. Third party IM services (beejive, etc) and the contact information for your PIN messages cannot be seen. EVERYTHING else can be seen or blocked.

Nice links Sith, maybe the guy will listen to the feedback he was given now.

Originally Posted by berryquest

I am going to respond to this and then I am done with this silly part of the discussion. I am 100% permitted to talk to my wife and friends on my work device as I assume most people are. That doesnt mean, however, that I want those conversation recorded by my IT department anymore than I want them to record my telephone calls to her, etc. They are called private conversations. They are not questionable, just private. Go away.

I guess you can be all defensive and touchy if you like, but really if you think about what I am saying you will realize that I am looking out for you. No sweat off of my back, I won't help you out on here anymore.

[Jancy10]

Originally Posted by berryquest

I was told that there is a memory file in a blackberry that stores all text messages, pin to pin communications and BBMs even after you delete them from the device. In other words, I can have a BBM conversation, then "end conversation" or "clear history", and there will still be a file on my device that can later be pulled out which will contain the contents of the conversation. Is this true??? I was also told this file could be deleted or purged by the user. Is this true? I have a Curve 8900.

Nah ders no such memory file on your device with this information...This information is stored in your carriers server for about 5 years tho! Everything you send or receive over the network is stored in your carriers server for security reasons.