Want another piece of the puzzle why VZW wont be getting the iphone ANYTIME soon!? - Page 2

stuaw11 · #16 11-09-2009, 01:43 PM

The difference, as you pointed out correctly, is people want the iphone and will get the iphone regardless. No matter how much VZW pokes ATT, people are STILL going to get the iphone in masses.

So the question is are they wasting money with these numerous ads poking at ATT and mentioning the iphone, or should they be more concerned about selling their own phones and trying to get some decent sales numbers.... Ive seen 1 total Storm 2 ad (version of the ad, not # of times run) and the 1 "drop date" Android one but doesnt even show the Droid.

Instead of slinging mud, maybe try promoting the strengths of your own materials? Theyre certainly not going to slow the iphone down simply because the phone is the most popular thing out right now and ATT is the only place you can get it. By that logic, the map means nothing because the driving force is the device. So people are still going to be signing up with ATT in then end, commercials or not.

Look at the last quarter, ATT sold something like just over 3 million iphones, 40% of which were new activations. Thats a staggering number of new customers from one phone, who couldnt care less about the map. The mud slinging by VZW will only get them so far in this scenario.

Entertainment72 · #17 11-09-2009, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by iitaalliiaann1

The only one that does is the Droid commercial and that is more of a Google/Motorola commercial than a Verizon one.

That is ALL Verizon.. pay attention to the end of the commercial.. VERIZON!

iWishiHadAniPhone Commerical

This is the official Verizon youbnoobtube.. search idon't within it on the right bar. iDon't see Google or Motorola anywhere.. just Verizon at the very very end.

jagermon · #18 11-09-2009, 10:03 PM

I believe with at&t's exclusiveness running out next year Apple is shopping around and big red would be the choice if for nothing else due to their size. I've also read VZW getting an iphone lite type phone. Put this together and the images found online with a 2.8" screen and it appears something is in the works.

We'll see if I'm right. If so I think it's a bad call with the 2.8" screen. Myself using an ipod touch couldn't see it with a smaller screen. It couldn't have a portrait keyboard (or least not a decent one).

As much I love my berry, it's the carrier that prohibits even considering the iphone.

stuaw11 · #19 11-09-2009, 11:29 PM

The 2.8" screen picture for the "rumor" was shown last year as a rumored iphone nano. Same lame rumor same lame leak that didnt come true. So they arent exactly spot on credible source reharshing old pics as new rumor over again.

Duvi · #20 11-10-2009, 12:42 AM

After really looking at the commercials, they haven't been "dissing" the iPhone IMO. It's more of an attack on AT&T and their insufficient (according to Verizon) network. It didn't say the iPhone had crappy apps and such, but said 3G coverage was bad.

I think Verizon may actually be doing the opposite with these commercials... giving Apple another reason to want to open the iPhone up to more carriers.

cbabson · #21 11-10-2009, 09:13 AM

I have a difficult time seeing Apple allowing Verizon to put anything on the iPhone. There's not a single carrier reference when you get an iPhone, no logo, no splash screen, no pre-installed apps AT&T are trying to pimp.

I'd be stunned if Apple allowed Verizon to add all their crap to the phone.

As to the commercials... yes, Verizon is poking fun at AT&T's coverage.... but their using the iPhone as the central image. Fairly sure that kind of negative product placement pisses Steve Jobs off.

I totally see them dangling the carrot to Verizon and then letting AT&T get the final bid with some concessions to expand the network coverage.

And yes, I know that putting the iPhone on Verizon would be good ($$$) for Apple, but when has Apple done anything for the sake of making a buck?

jagermon · #22 11-10-2009, 09:15 AM

^ good point.

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Hankster · #23 11-10-2009, 09:38 AM

I hear Apple is going to dump ATT and go with Boost Mobile and Criket.

iitaalliiaann1 · #24 11-10-2009, 09:39 AM

I agree that Apple is not out there to make a quick buck. Apple also does not want to hear all the complaints about how their phone reception and 3g service is horrid. New York is the larges city in the US and you mean to tell me that if I live in the largest city in the US or have to go there for business, which millions of people have to, that my iPhone will suck. Not acceptable. I can see it not working in the back roads of Arkansas but not NYC or SF. As I said before, and had been stated after me, Verizon is using the iPhone because i is AT&T's biggest seller and showing consumers, and Apple themselves, that the phone is a great device but it can only as much as the network will allow it to do. Verizon has been releasing phones like mad lately and they are on a mission to build up their weakness of poor phone selection. The have the consumer share, now they have to keep them happy and wanting more. It's publicly known that Apple is tired of AT&T and I think the big wigs can sit at their fancy oak tables and hash things out to make the "match made in heaven" happen.

JoJoCal19 · #25 11-10-2009, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by iitaalliiaann1

People will have their own opinion of everything, just like I have my own opinion. From my perspective, having a masters in Marketing, and my perspective only, Verizon is hitting AT&T where it hurts. Their main revenue is the iPhone and the most popular phone on the market is currently in a contract with that carrier. It is showing that the only reason people are with that carrier is because of the popularity of that phone and the phone, which they never actually ever talk down the phone, is only as good as the network it is on. I don't understand how people can't see this. At no time in any of Verizon's commercials does it put down the iPhone. The only one that does is the Droid commercial and that is more of a Google/Motorola commercial than a Verizon one. And Google and Apple don't see eye to eye as you know. I might be biased too because I have been screwed by AT&T and was with Verizon for 5 happy years without a complaint. I switched because thats all my wife has wanted was this phone for years. I agree. The phone is freakin awsome, but it needs to go to Verizon and I will be happy again.

Truth. Once the iPhone goes multi-carrier and especially if its CDMA/GSM and Verizon and especially if Sprint gets it, ATT can kiss their behinds good bye. They are going to bleed customers at the rate Sprint has the past two years. If back in 2007 the iPhone launched on Verizon instead of ATT, ATT would be where Sprint is right now.

JoJoCal19 · #26 11-10-2009, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by cbabson

I have a difficult time seeing Apple allowing Verizon to put anything on the iPhone. There's not a single carrier reference when you get an iPhone, no logo, no splash screen, no pre-installed apps AT&T are trying to pimp.

I'd be stunned if Apple allowed Verizon to add all their crap to the phone.

As to the commercials... yes, Verizon is poking fun at AT&T's coverage.... but their using the iPhone as the central image. Fairly sure that kind of negative product placement pisses Steve Jobs off.

I totally see them dangling the carrot to Verizon and then letting AT&T get the final bid with some concessions to expand the network coverage.

And yes, I know that putting the iPhone on Verizon would be good ($$$) for Apple, but when has Apple done anything for the sake of making a buck?

Well considering Verizon allowed the Droid to be released without any Verizon software (except visual voicemail) I dont see this as an issue anymore. Now the logo, yea Im sure Verizon would be reluctant but would give in to having their logo not on the phone. Also the app store isnt an issue because the Droid just has the Android Market and no Verizon app store. I really dont see these as roadblocks any more.

Also the old roadblock of Apple not allowing retailers to sell the phone is now over as we know Wal-Mart, Radio Shack and other retailers are now selling the iPhone. That had been a HUGE sticking point originally because Verizon didnt want to leave their other sellers out.

cbabson · #27 11-11-2009, 05:03 PM

I haven't had the opportunity to play with the Droid yet but you're saying that VZ Nav and their music service aren't on there? (Granted, you can take them off) Just the physical logo and the splash screen?

0837S · #28 11-11-2009, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by cbabson

I haven't had the opportunity to play with the Droid yet but you're saying that VZ Nav and their music service aren't on there? (Granted, you can take them off) Just the physical logo and the splash screen?

Nope. VZ Nav and Rhapsody are not on the phone. The phone does say "Verizon" on it. Also in the Androind Market, there are tabs labeled "Apps" "Games" and "Verizon". Under the "Verizon tab, the only Verizon apps are visual voice mail and my verizon. The other apps under that tab are apps that Verizon thinks would be good on the phone.

I was surprised that there wasn't more Verizon branding all over the device.

forever29 · #29 11-11-2009, 06:26 PM

I don't really care about the whole iPhone going/not going to Verizon crap. But
even if this commercial was aimed at "insulting" the iPhone, why would that
mean that Verizon wouldn't want the iPhone if they had the opportunity? Just
because they made some negative ads that means they won't want it and/or
Apple won't accept them?

Jon Gruden said harsh things about ESPN and works for them now. Johnny
Damon once said "I would never sign with the Yankees." and he did.

stuaw11 · #30 11-15-2009, 12:08 PM

yet another indication:

http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2009/11...ontent=Twitter

The ad:

This is a world of “nope,” “nuh-uh,” and “sorry, Charlie.”

A world of smiling denial. Petty tyrannies that have made their way into our cell phones. Into the very way we choose to speak to another human being. There are dozens of doesn’ts. Doesn’t all customization. Doesn’t run multiple apps. Doesn’t allow you to swap out batteries. doesn’t allow open development. These arrogant little devices are barely worth more than the pocket link they rest upon. Because now there’s a phone so smart, so strong. So subservient to its user, it refuses to include “doesn’t” in its dictionary app.

In a world of doesn’t. Droid Does."

"Petty tyrannies" "arrogant"

If theyre not taking shots at Apple/iphone I dont know what else will convince you.