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09-04-2009, 01:21 PM
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I mean, network wise. Is there a difference?
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09-04-2009, 01:22 PM
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You mean like network wise between VZW/Sprint/AT&T?
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09-04-2009, 01:26 PM
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No, i mean are text messages and data all going through the same line, so to speak. if so, why is there an extra charge for text messaging for blackberry users if you have to get the data plan anyway. I guess what im asking is, do text messages go through a separate part of the network that warrant a different charge?
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09-04-2009, 01:28 PM
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No, Your txt messages are on the same "line" as your voice. They aren't data. However your bbm's are. So yes they do warrant another charge just like any other phone.
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09-04-2009, 01:31 PM
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I was trying to understand how they justify the cost of a TM plan, i know my alltel plan has unlimited TM included in the plan which was the main reason for asking. Thanks.
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09-04-2009, 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by big.daddy  I was trying to understand how they justify the cost of a TM plan, i know my alltel plan has unlimited TM included in the plan which was the main reason for asking. Thanks. | Short Message Service (SMS) is it's own system and is routed through the network differently than data.
SMS is routed through the network and main component is the SMSC (short message service center). At that point it gets routed to whoever you're sending the message to or handed off to the other carrier.
Data goes through PDSN's and AAA for authentication. As well as other components that provide the customer data.
Verizon Wireless offers unlimited text messaging in Select Plans. Or you could just go with "BlackBerry Nationwide Email & Messaging" - which would bundle everything together like the Smart Choice Packs (only more expensive).
The cost is really based on the fact that so many people would rather text than talk these days. Which means they will have to structure pricing differently to still make money.
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09-04-2009, 01:51 PM
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Yeah thats what I said 
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09-04-2009, 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by tsguy52 The cost is really based on the fact that so many people would rather text than talk these days. Which means they will have to structure pricing differently to still make money. | This is something folks don't consider much - even here.
There are articles about the miniscule cost of sending text messages. I personally believe it is zero, as carrier signals are still active - same bandwidth load whether or not a real message is being carried. But while the cost of carrying the text messages are free or slight, the network costs have risen, while texting has reduced the need for larger plans. Couple that with the fact voice plan rates haven't increased in years, while inflation has reduced the value of the dollar.
So, texting plans & charges subsidize the voice side, to an extent. Not everyone texts, so it wouldn't be fair (or a good business decision) to increase voice plan charges to give everyone free texting. Instead, texting plans vary in amount, based on texting need of the individual. Text more, pay more.
And while you're paying more, you're helping to subsidize the upcoming LTE rollout, which should ultimately result in lower costs & possibly lower bills.
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09-04-2009, 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by lak611 Verizon has a data only plan with no voice. | If I am not mistaken, that doesn't have SMS. MMS, IMs & data, but no voice or text.
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09-04-2009, 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by TwinsX2Dad If I am not mistaken, that doesn't have SMS. MMS, IMs & data, but no voice or text. | It has everything but voice. Enter your location
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09-04-2009, 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by big.daddy I was trying to understand how they justify the cost of a TM plan, i know my alltel plan has unlimited TM included in the plan which was the main reason for asking. Thanks. | Why do they have to justify a service? How can a cable company justify charging for cable, internet and phone over the same line? They can and they do.
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09-04-2009, 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by TwinsX2Dad This is something folks don't consider much - even here.
There are articles about the miniscule cost of sending text messages. I personally believe it is zero, as carrier signals are still active - same bandwidth load whether or not a real message is being carried. But while the cost of carrying the text messages are free or slight, the network costs have risen, while texting has reduced the need for larger plans. Couple that with the fact voice plan rates haven't increased in years, while inflation has reduced the value of the dollar.
So, texting plans & charges subsidize the voice side, to an extent. Not everyone texts, so it wouldn't be fair (or a good business decision) to increase voice plan charges to give everyone free texting. Instead, texting plans vary in amount, based on texting need of the individual. Text more, pay more.
And while you're paying more, you're helping to subsidize the upcoming LTE rollout, which should ultimately result in lower costs & possibly lower bills.
Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com | So handling in excess of 30,000,000,000 messages per month has a minimal cost? Must run on magic.
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09-04-2009, 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by vatothe0 So handling in excess of 30,000,000,000 messages per month has a minimal cost? Must run on magic.
Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com | It is cheaper than the costs to handle the phone calls.
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09-04-2009, 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by lak611 It is cheaper than the costs to handle the phone calls.
Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com | So are the plan. What is your point?
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