- every single reason is true, and there are dozens of others, over a billion under revenue...sheesh, seems things went from "are we ok" to "OMFG" in one quarter. you knew it'd come quick, cell phone contracts aren't THAT long, they simply do not have devices, and the ONE on the horizon is being delayed... i'd be willing to take wagers that we never see a qnx handset. there was a certain point in time when admins of other mobile manufacturers fan sites had to throw their hands up and the towel in. i'm wondering when this moment will be here. every bit of bad news on rims front has some sort of battleplan with the fans. people need to really just face reality here, they're laying people off, revenue is off over a billion, futures look bleak, nothing really to show you that things might change... really how could they? they're selling an OS that isn't functionally any better than what they had 3 years ago. this isn't a hate on RIM time, this is a time where people need to make peace with the fact that RIM is just simply done. the rest will happen quickly, after this news...well investors will simply jump ship, who wouldn't. they're all going to get out while they can because RIM can't offer a single shred of reason why they shouldn't.06-17-11 04:44 AMLike 0
- If RIM wants to survive they need to make a device and OS to compete with iPhone and Android. Until they do that they will continue to lose market-share every year. The RIM faithful will say that they like the devices and current OS, RIM is more secure, RIM compresses data, etc. I was a huge RIM fan for years but I have had my iPhone 4 for almost 1 year and I will never go back.
All of their devices coming out look just like my Bold 9000 from 3 years ago. They need to get with the times.AbuYazeedUK likes this.06-17-11 07:29 AMLike 1 -
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Point 1: Delays of product releases aren't always a good thing, but August is around when I expected to see most of the phones, and it is already mid-June. Plus, yeah, the current models won't be able to use OS7. Unless RIM stops supporting other OSs, I don't see this as a problem. If OS7 is only "marginally better", as Gizmodo said, then it shouldn't make a difference anyway, now should it? If it is a concern, then it is probably more than "marginally better.
2. Gizmodo seems to want to have their cake and eat it too. Oh, yeah, the Bold 9900 will have a touchscreen! And it ewill have OS7! (Which is only marginally better than OS6, they said, so big deal, right? But then they complain that it has the same handset RIM has had for the past 5 years. Now, even I know that RIM has modified their handsets over the past fife years. But yes, it is basically the same. So what? By that logic, Apple is in trouble because it has released the same handset for its entire existence.
3. The Playbook, ah, the Playbook. Yeah. I heard for months what a useless toy the iPad was last year. While I question some of the choices RIM made, I would still buy a Playbook if I could afford a tablet.
4. Quantity does not equaly quality. The people at Gizmodo must be shopping in a different store, because I have no problem finding quality apps that do what I need or want them to do. Okay, sure, I don't have Sushi Cat, but other than that, what is the big deal?
5. Again, by this logic, Apple is screwed, because I have heard plenty of news about how much developers hate dealing with Apple, too. Oh wow, it's on the interwebs! Excuse me while I roll my eyes at the writer.
6. Though they may be financially struggling in some areas right now, from my understandings RIM is financially solvent and not likely to need to declare bankruptcy or anything like that. Difficulties do not equal "ruins". That's a fair bit of hyperbole.
7. Leadership may be struggling or appear to be struggling. This is something that, if so, should be dealt with. However, I do not know that it is at the "screwed" level.
8. The survey is from last year. August last year, so almost a year ago. The data was likely collected a year ago, and I don't know their sample size. It is almost impossible to say whether or not that data is still relevant, or if it ever was relevant in the first place. Quite frankly, I've never been entirely satisfied with the Nielsen Company's sampling methods.
9. It is still an expanding market, even in enterprise. Sure, enterprise is checking out Android and iPhone, because their employees want to try them out. It is something I expected. As for the iPad, tablets can be handy, and if you look at the article Gizmodo linked to as a reference, it is from January of this year, when iPad was pretty much the only tablet; the others had only just launched or were not yet launched. So, saying wow, enterprise started trying out iPads, hence RIM is in trouble is just filled with sillysauce.
10. So, wait, other phones are now starting to do things BBs are good at and that is "eating RIM's Lunch"? Uh, okay... The email issues have been discussed ad nauseum, and good and bad things can be said about the platforms on Android, Apple, and BB phones. Saying OS7 is behind when it isn't even out yet is silly. It's not a final release yet, now, is it? iMessage-- in beta. Don't know how it will stack up against BBM, do we?
Don't get me wrong, there are definitely some areas for concern and some things RIM needs to do to improve and tighten the ship. I will agree, though, that RIM is undergoing a transitional phase, and these things do happen in any company that stays around long enough. But I will also say that much of this article is hyperbole and personal bias.06-17-11 08:37 AMLike 6 -
It also saves the company money because before they were paying $45 BES data plans. There is a minimum savings of $15 per person per month.
I would love to see RIM step up and compete with other devices. Competition is good for everyone. I just don't see it in their "new" devices.Last edited by sdmcwilliams; 06-17-11 at 10:03 AM.
06-17-11 09:33 AMLike 0 - RIM doesn't need to come out with new hansets; its designs have already been perfected. If it aint broke (and it's not), don't fix it. I'm glad BlackBerry is not like apple or android.
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ericz likes this.06-17-11 10:59 AMLike 1 - Trouble is, it IS broke. People don't want it anymore. You're suggesting RIM should continue to rest on their laurels, and that will destroy them.06-17-11 12:28 PMLike 0
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Also, the people trying to sugar coat RIM's current position should just stop... I agree the above article is grossly exaggerated but almost all the points are valid and lucky for RIM their one shining light is this QNX OS but they are going to have to wow consumers with a handset capable of competing with likes of the Droids and iPhones but the way they have demonstrated their lack of foresight they will probably find a way to screw this up as well.
The PlayBook is looking more and more like the last kick of a dying horse. No wonder it was rushed into the market...06-17-11 02:13 PMLike 0 - The only phones that constantly change designs are Android based. Why? I dunno, maybe bc HTC, Motorola, Samsung, etc. all make them an switch designs constantly.
Apple has had an identical design on every iPhone ever made. No QWERTY keyboard, 1 button, same rectangular brick shape. Bad to type on, bad at phone calls, nickel and dime you on apps, little customization, but great media device.
BB's have a lot of designs. The fairly recent Style I thought was a laughable throw back with the flip phone or clam shell design. But the perfect design to the Bold and my personal favorite, the Torch work fine. Its keeping up with hardware and apps where RIM struggles.
RIM should keep it simple and just design Bold and Torch form factors. Scrap the lousy Style, Storm, Pearl designs. Focus on the traditional BB with Bold type models or the hybrid slider model Torches.06-17-11 03:23 PMLike 0 - .[/QUOTE] "But the perfect design to the Bold and my personal favorite, the Torch work fine. Its keeping up with hardware and apps where RIM struggles.
RIM should keep it simple and just design Bold and Torch form factors. Scrap the lousy Style, Storm, Pearl designs. Focus on the traditional BB with Bold type models or the hybrid slider model Torches
I agree, RIM should stop making so many different models. Clearly there is a strong group who love the original Bold form with it's great keyboard, so get the new one out that has the touchscreen, faster processor, more memory, etc. Then update the Torch, my favorit, but needs more power and a better screen (think competing with iPhone Retina and Super Amoled...) and then have one all Touch (like they're supposedly doing). There, three phones, launch them simultaneously with all carriers like Samsung does, essentially the same phones at the same time. No exclusives, RIM needs volume. Then QNX to all three as fast as possible, take some of those billions in bank and hire people to get these things out faster, what good does it do to save money if you go under anyway? Risk it all in a race to catch up and pass Apple & Android, otherwise RIM goes the way of Palm. BTW, I've been a loyal BlackBerry owner since my first 8820 (GPS & WiFi-rocked at the time!), then a Bold 9000, and now a Torch and a PlayBook. Here's hoping RIM gets it together...06-17-11 04:16 PMLike 0 -
- Then QNX to all three as fast as possible, take some of those billions in bank and hire people to get these things out faster, what good does it do to save money if you go under anyway? Risk it all in a race to catch up and pass Apple & Android, otherwise RIM goes the way of Palm. BTW, I've been a loyal BlackBerry owner since my first 8820 (GPS & WiFi-rocked at the time!), then a Bold 9000, and now a Torch and a PlayBook. Here's hoping RIM gets it together...
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06-17-11 04:35 PMLike 0 - I think RIM just releasing two types of form factors is the way to go though. Stay away from touch screen only phones, especially since I thought every Storm model sucked.
Also with the marketing and fanfare iPhones have right now, don't try to be the iPhone, try to be an alternative.
iPhones aren't as good at typing, messaging, emails due to the lack of QWERTY keyboard, so stick with those great BB keyboards. People like me are old school in that I do not want to do surgery using two hands to type on a touch screen and prefer the quickness and feel to thumbing real keys!
BB phones have stronger battery life than Android phones, make sure this remains true.
Can QNX be the savior the BB? I doubt it, but it does look promising from what I have seen on the Playbook.
Just make Bolds and Torches and improve them every year and thats a pretty strong lineup right there.06-17-11 04:55 PMLike 0 - I think their phones are fine, but os is total garbage, if I were on that board I would be screaming to abandon bbos and qnx, stick with our form factor and implement android on our devices, software isn't ever going to save rim, but their hardware is proven
Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com06-17-11 04:59 PMLike 0 - avt123O.G.
RIM has had this attitude for a while. That is why the entire Bold line besides design and some other upgrades (RAM, camera) and the Torch (uses the same screen as Storm and same hardware as Bold) has barely changed since 2008 when the Bold came out.
Once again, I am talking about attitude, not device design.Last edited by avt123; 06-17-11 at 05:11 PM.
06-17-11 05:06 PMLike 0 - Well iPhone is better all around. People who think its bad for typing are just simply ignorant to the fact that it takes muscle memory time to adjust to newositioning and feel. When I went from an iPhone to a BB, it was hard to use a crappy phisical keyboard again as it takes more time and more force to press a button then touch glass. My blackberry drops just as many calls as my iPhone did.
Rim missed the cycle to implement qnx hard and are becoming new nokia with a low end phones for emerging markets. And for god sake, they need to hire more people to push qnx out ASAP instead of layoffs. At this point I wouldn't feel bad if rim died, they made all the wrong moves and ignored the rest of the market. They saw how marked punished palm, and BB is in no better situation. Money wise, they are, but mind share... North American market is pissed at how the loyal customers are of rim get garbage products for premium prices. That's just unaccaptable.06-17-11 05:52 PMLike 0 -
I have tried the Storm and it is an awful touchscreen device. Having a big screen is very important to a lot of people. I watch rental movies on trips and also watch Netflix movies every now and then. Do that on a Bold screen. You will need a magnifying glass. Does Netflix even make a free app for BB? I am asking because I don't know. I found some 3rd party app called Muvela and it was $5!!!
I can't customize it as much as I could on my Bold but I really don't miss it that much. It's not that big of a deal to me.
Last thing. I typed this on my iPhone on the regular version of the CB site. I love not having to go to the mobile versions of sites.06-17-11 05:59 PMLike 2 - What would be a cool feature on upcoming os's and devices would be speed dial from any screen! I've noticed that speed dial works from the home screen as well as from the messages application screen on my Curve. It would be great if it also worked from all other screens: no matter what you have open -- browser, tasks, memo pad, calendar, etc. -- just press and hold to call! (No, I'm not gonna get an android or iphone if those platforms already offer that! )
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