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Old 06-25-2008, 11:33 PM
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Default Explanation: BB's Implementation of Time Zones

"Why doesn't my Blackberry update the time correctly when I travel across time zones?"

This question comes up once or twice a month, generally from a new user who is dumbfounded their expensive new smartphone can't do something their last three dumb phones did automatically. I'm offering this post to elaborate on the Blackberry FAQ, cited below, and to offer a real life example of how the Rim technique works. I hope it will clear up some of the confusion around this topic, and help new users get the most from their phone. Your comments are welcome. I'll be happy to correct any mistakes you find.

An ordinary cell phone without an integrated calendar doesn't have to care about appointments and so can automatically switch time zones, by simply displaying the network time. That's what new users are accustomed to. Why doesn't the Blackberry behave the same way? Because Blackberry's have integrated calendars. The calendar and the clock use the same time reference. If you change the clock, you change the time reference for appointments. Thus, Blackberry's don't change time zones automatically because that would cause appointments to be shown incorrectly, if the appointments were entered in the wrong time zone. Why would anybody enter an appointment in the wrong time zone? Because Outlook doesn't let you have more than two time zones available at any time, so people who put in appointments using Outlook and do business in more than two time zones are going to have a problem, or else have to do the time zone math when they enter appointments. And, there's the natural but incorrect tendency to think of 2:00pm as 2:00pm, wherever you are. If you input your appointments using the Blackberry calendar input screen, all the time zones are available to you. It's just Outlook that makes it difficult. A few typical questions and an example will illustrate the problem and the solution.

"I had a 2:00 pm appointment in LA. I put the appointment on my calendar in Atlanta for 2:00 pm and when I got to LA and manually changed my time zone, it changed the time of my meeting by three hours! Why doesn't RIM fix such a horrible glitch?"
Because it's not a glitch. The problem is you put the appointment on your calendar in the wrong time zone. If you're on the east coast, don't put an appointment on the calendar for 2:00 pm eastern and expect it to read 2:00 pm pacific. It'll be off by three hours. Put it in as 2:00 pm pacific. When you're in ET, it'll show up as 11:00 am. When you arrive in LA and change to PT, your 2:00 pm PT appointment is correct. It's designed to be right when you cross time zones.

"I didn't put it in as 2:00 pm Eastern. I put the appointment in Outlook in local time."
Even though Outlook 2003 doesn't explicitly associate a time zone with an appointment when you enter the appointment, it's still made with the time zone setting from your computer. Eastern, in this case.

"But can't you go to options/date/time and set the time source to network? Wouldn't this cause the Blackberry to update to the new time zone?"
No. With Date/Time source set to Network, the Blackberry pulls the time from the network, but still applies the GMT offset for the time zone you selected. It will update your minutes, not your hours. You still have to change the time zone manually.

Here's a worked out example:
Options Date/Time:
Time Zone: ET
Date/Time Source: Network

Sitting at my desk in the Eastern time zone with the Blackberry options as shown, I enter an appointment on my Blackberry calendar for 1:00 pm Central, using the time zone dropdown in the Blackberry Calendar entry screen. When I save the appointment, it shows up on my Blackberry Calendar (and Outlook) as 2:00 pm, correct for Eastern time. I ride to the airport, get on the plane, and turn off my phone, which is still set to Eastern time and Network. I fly to Alabama, which is in the Central time zone.

We land in Huntsville, and the Flight Attendant announces the Local Time is 10:16 am. I turn on the phone. The phone displays 11:16 am on the Home Screen. I look in Date/Time Options. Time Zone: ET. Time: 11:16 am. Network Time: 10:16 am. I change the time zone to CT. Now Time reads 10:16 am. The phone shows 10:16 am on the Home Screen. And the calendar correctly shows I have an appointment at 1:00 pm Central time.

I agree, it would be better if the phone "knew" I changed time zones. But it doesn't. All it knows is that there is a 1-hr discrepancy between "time" and "network time." It could prompt you with something like "The local time is different from your Blackberry time by 1 hr. Would you like to change your time zone to CT?" Now that would be smart! And better than having to change it manually. Another solution would be to decouple the calendar from the clock. Again, phones without calendars can just display network time and not have to worry about time zones. That's why older phones can do this, and naturally, users expect a newer, smarter phone to do it, too. But Rim's implementation works, as long as you enter appointments in the correct time zone.

"O.k., I got all that. But my Blackberry does automatically change time zones. It just doesn't change to the correct one! It keeps changing back to my home time zone when I'm traveling. Why is that?"
In Desktop Manager/Synchronize, you have the option to "Update Device's Date and Time" when you sync. If this box is checked, every time you connect to Desktop Manager, either to sync your Blackberry or to back-up, Desktop Manager will set your Blackberry to your computer time. If you left your laptop set to your home time zone, then synching will cause your Blackberry to change back to your home time zone. If you select "Network Time" as your Blackberry time source, you don't need this setting. Unchecking it will keep Desktop Manager from changing your Blackberry time.


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Source: the Blackberry FAQ: Why doesn't my time update correctly when I change Time Zones? - BlackBerryFAQ

Disclaimer: I am not an expert on network time formats. I don't know what the carrier cell site broadcasts. The time code may include time zone information. If it does, the Blackberry doesn't appear to know it.

Last edited by JeffH; 07-12-2008 at 06:13 PM. Reason: added info re Desktop Manager Sync time issue
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Old 06-26-2008, 02:14 AM
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Thumbs up * Nice job Jeff! *

It makes perfect sense to me!

It is not as if it is that big of a hassel to think about where you will be and at what time an appointment is going to be when you create it, and to change the time on these devices when you enter a different time zone.

I do have to admit that it did got me the first time it happened! You do have to put some thought into it!

Kudos to to you for a good job!
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Old 06-26-2008, 11:43 AM
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Thanks for the fantastic post! This is a very common question with every smartphone platform.
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Old 06-26-2008, 01:07 PM
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In the US this is very easy as there are only a few time zones. It gets tricky when you travel overseas, but if you travel there often, you should probably know what time zone they're in and the difference. BTW, good job Jeff.
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Old 07-13-2008, 11:53 AM
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Ah. Now I understand, thanks for the info.

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Old 07-13-2008, 02:03 PM
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I know that most folks believe that Rim's implementation of Timezones and Scheduling appts into their correct timezones is appropriate.

Some of us would prefer that our devices to just allow us to schedule an appt in a different timezone and NOT WORRY about where that appt will occur or have the BB shift the appt when we arrive in that different timezone (TZ) and change that TZ.

In one of the many threads dealing with and/or complaining about this behavior, someone mentioned that the way to avoid this TZ shifting and appt ambiguity is that rather than change the TZ when you arrive in a new location, rather just use the Date/Time function and JUST CHANGE THE TIME - leave the TZ as it is (wrong). Your appts would not be time shifted but your device will show the correct time.

I hope this does not confuse this thread and adds some helpful information for folks who march to a different drummer in a different Timezone.
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Love it Jeff!

I still love thinking back to the notorious post "blackberry software sucks!" and the huge debacle that ensued.

Awesome job educating the crackberry nation!

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Old 07-13-2008, 02:28 PM
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Love it Jeff!

I still love thinking back to the notorious post "blackberry software sucks!" and the huge debacle that ensued.

Awesome job educating the crackberry nation!

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Thanks and yeah, that was the reason for my post. I hope it helps.
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I have used this a number of times as a resource for the famous "Time Zone" question that pops up so often!! Thanks for the great info, and I cannot believe I had not let you know how much I appreciate this thread before now!! Thanks
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Old 07-13-2008, 03:50 PM
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I have used this a number of times as a resource for the famous "Time Zone" question that pops up so often!! Thanks for the great info, and I cannot believe I had not let you know how much I appreciate this thread before now!! Thanks
Thank you! I'm glad you find it useful. It took jenaywins's prompting to get me to add it to my sig...and thank you for the help with that...
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Old 07-13-2008, 06:46 PM
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Thank you! I'm glad you find it useful. It took jenaywins's prompting to get me to add it to my sig...and thank you for the help with that...
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Time and BlackBerrys are enough to confuse anybody, good thing we have Jeff to explain it all.

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Thank you for you the information I just got my first blackberry and made my first trip into a new time zone. I was surprised when it did not update and did not know what to do. So it seems to me and please let me know if I am wrong. I do not cross time zones that often that simplest thing to do is to just leave it all Eastern and then simply change it when I cross.
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Old 07-28-2008, 12:21 AM
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If you normally live in the Eastern time zone, then yes, your BlackBerry and your PC should be set to Eastern time. If you have an appointment in Central time, for example, then enter the appointment in your BlackBerry calendar using Central time. Then when you cross into Central time, change the time zone setting on your BlackBerry and your appointment will be shown on the calendar at the correct time.

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Jeff, you've taken one too many hits of the crackberry pipe. Your followers are blindly following. Do any of them travel?

If I change the time zone as you suggest, it will change every appointment (past, present, future) in my handheld--not just the ones that I would want it to change over the course of my trip. This means that the vast majority of the appointments on my handheld would be wrong. Foolish! It's nealry as foolish as Microsoft. Have you ever changed your timezone in Windows? Microsoft Outlooks takes it upon itself to change every appointment in your calendar (past, present, future) including All Day Events. Suddenly, I was born at 11pm the day before my birthday. I'll save a Microsoft rant for another post but I will draw the parallel of foolishness between the approaches.

An alternative solution would be for RIM to allow my handheld to simply take the time from the Network. (it's ludicrous that the "Network" setting doesn't take the time from the network. It allows us to be wrong by a full time zone!) Allow me to do what's natural and enter the local time of apppointments. Then, when I get off that plane and power up my phone, I am required to make no manual changes and I will see all appointments in local time. In the prophetic words of Guinness, "BRILLIANT!"

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