For Everyone That believes the storm is great!

[bigman2]

Originally Posted by Neurobit

We get every new phone when they are released so we can evaluate it, just like we did with the Storm.

Thanks,
Neurobit

Well, I was talking more to the OP, but since I didn't specify I guess I can't complain if you respond. But you did happened to neglect to address anything else I said in my post. I don't say that to defend RIM, as the trolls would prefer to interpret it, I say it to point out some realities of today's market.

[limjelo]

You make some great points, BigMan2. I couldn't agree with you more.

[Neurobit]

Originally Posted by bigman2

Well, I was talking more to the OP, but since I didn't specify I guess I can't complain if you respond. But you did happened to neglect to address anything else I said in my post. I don't say that to defend RIM, as the trolls would prefer to interpret it, I say it to point out some realities of today's market.

I did not neglect to address anything.

I just answered a question which I thought it was addressed to me.

The rest of your post was not questions, they were statements, so I did not felt the need to respond to unless you had asked for opinions related to them.


Neurobit

[bigman2]

Originally Posted by Neurobit

I did not neglect to address anything.

I just answered a question which I thought it was addressed to me.

The rest of your post was not questions, they were statements, so I did not felt the need to respond to unless you had asked for opinions related to them.


Neurobit

Fair enough... But based on what you said in your first post to this discussion, I would actually be interested in hearing your take on the rest of my first post in this discussion.

[Neurobit]

Originally Posted by bigman2

Fair enough... But based on what you said in your first post to this discussion, I would actually be interested in hearing your take on the rest of my first post in this discussion.

BigMan2,

I know that marked conditions have changed since 1999, but certain things never change, like the shelf life of a cell phone or any other consumer electronics (competition has been fierce all along IMO).

I do agree with your point, but it is not a new phenomenon, and companies need to adapt or face being replaced by somebody else that will offer the features and value that may be lacking in a particular product.

RIM seems to have their act together and has done a great job of putting out great smart phones. In fact, up until the Storm, every Blackberry I ever got has always been better then the one I had before in terms of features, ergonomics, functionality, etc, so like many other people at CB, I was shocked to find a product that did not follow that trend (read Storm).

Not bashing RIM, just making the observation that the Storm is not a phone I want anywhere near my end users as a business tool, and that's why we are sticking with other models that are tried and true and live up to the Blackberry name.

Will the Storm ever be the phone I want it to be? Only time will tell, but unfortunately there isn't that much time left

Neurobit

[bigman2]

Originally Posted by Neurobit

BigMan2,

I know that marked conditions have changed since 1999, but certain things never change, like the shelf life of a cell phone or any other consumer electronics (competition has been fierce all along IMO).

I do agree with your point, but it is not a new phenomenon, and companies need to adapt or face being replaced by somebody else that will offer the features and value that may be lacking in a particular product.

RIM seems to have their act together and has done a great job of putting out great smart phones. In fact, up until the Storm, every Blackberry I ever got has always been better then the one I had before in terms of features, ergonomics, functionality, etc, so like many other people at CB, I was shocked to find a product that did not follow that trend (read Storm).

Not bashing RIM, just making the observation that the Storm is not a phone I want anywhere near my end users as a business tool, and that's why we are sticking with other models that are tried and true and live up to the Blackberry name.

Will the Storm ever be the phone I want it to be? Only time will tell, but unfortunately there isn't that much time left

Neurobit

Not sure I agree with everything, but I appreciate the time you took to respond.

The Storm is kind of a different beast from most BBs. It's the first serious push into the consumer territory. It won't appeal to people who are looking for a traditional BB. Which isn't good or bad IMO, it just is one of those things that simply is. Time will tell whether this ends up working out for them or not. So far, sales figures seem to point to yes, but anyone can come up with something of a one hit wonder.

[Neurobit]

Originally Posted by bigman2

Not sure I agree with everything, but I appreciate the time you took to respond.

The Storm is kind of a different beast from most BBs. It's the first serious push into the consumer territory. It won't appeal to people who are looking for a traditional BB. Which isn't good or bad IMO, it just is one of those things that simply is. Time will tell whether this ends up working out for them or not. So far, sales figures seem to point to yes, but anyone can come up with something of a one hit wonder.

My pleasure, and I do agree with you on this last posting.
Only time will tell whether it's a winner for them or not, I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Thanks for your response,
Neurobit

[Oilbrnr]

Originally Posted by bigman2

Competition has gotten increasingly fierce, and the shelf-life of the average cell phone is 6 months, if that. A phone has a maximum of 6 months to "make it" before something new comes out. If it hasn't "made it" by then, it will fall to the wayside and be forgotten.

Ah, the Storm's Swan Song is only two months away.

RIP

[RCCollins]

Originally Posted by Oilbrnr

Ah, the Storm's Swan Song is only two months away.

RIP

No doubt, no software update can save this turd.

[xxxxpradaxxxx]

Originally Posted by limjelo

BTW, I've probably done 2 or 3 battery pulls in 5+ months of ownership. Use Quickpull scheduler nightly and everything is good to go.

WhatAre You Smoking?

ANY and EVERY BlackBerry Should Get Regular Battery Pulls.

Albeit not Daily, but in Moderation.

So 2 or 3 in 5+ Months?

Sounds like a Blatant Lie.

Quickpull Doesn't Fully Replace a Battery Pull.

Try Again.

[Ponycar09]

I bought the Storm and returned it in 2 days because it is not made for fast communication. As cool at the touch screen is, it is too difficult to use the keyboard and send messages fast.

[bigman2]

Originally Posted by Oilbrnr

Ah, the Storm's Swan Song is only two months away.

RIP

No... I think ultimately the Storm will go down as a success as far as RIM is concerned. Sales have been much stronger than anticipated, and much higher than is RIM's norm. Whether or not it succeeds in paving the way for future devices to push further into consumer territory has yet to be seen.

If you just look at the tiny little microcosm that is Crackberry, where the more obsessive users congregate, you'd think the Storm is a gigantic failure... But sales have been strong, returns low, and that says that the majority of people buying it are happy (enough) with it. But out of the just 1 million+ units sold in the US alone... How many of those people post here? We're probably talking about less than 0.1% of the total Storm owner population. And to add the rotten cherry on top of this particular bullshite sunday, people have a much greater propensity to complain than to come along and say, "Hey, everything's working great!"

It's really a shame some people have to be pricks about things. I mean, I don't fully agree with Neurobit, but we were able to have a cordial conversation. The Storm doesnt' work for him, and he listed his grievances in a non-whining way full of incoherent emotional outbursts and egotistical comments claiming to know what RIM needs to do. It's a sad statement that so many people seem to lack the emotional maturity to follow this example.

[BzB]

Originally Posted by Neurobit

We get every new phone when they are released so we can evaluate it, just like we did with the Storm.

Thanks,
Neurobit

that's not really a good IT practice. not only is it an expensive course of action (as it usually requires switching carriers) but it's also bad asset management.

in general, the only reason to field test a device is if looking to change platforms or sun-setting older equipment. in those cases smart money isn't on early adopters, but to avoid risk you would test a device that's been on the market for more than a few months. this is why most IT policies limit the devices that are distributed and supported. my company still doesn't have the iphone as an officially supported mobile device primarily because of the issues it had with exchange integration early on and then because of the security concern. hasn't stopped a few people from getting it, but if they have problems they're on their own. lol.

personally, i don't think the storm will make much headway into corporate environments even after the gold code is released as an official os and the storm is regarded as "stable". touchscreen only devices just aren't efficient enough for the majority of the workforce, plus they're much more delicate than their buttoned counterparts.

[Neurobit]

Originally Posted by BzB

that's not really a good IT practice. not only is it an expensive course of action (as it usually requires switching carriers) but it's also bad asset management.

in general, the only reason to field test a device is if looking to change platforms or sun-setting older equipment. in those cases smart money isn't on early adopters, but to avoid risk you would test a device that's been on the market for more than a few months. this is why most IT policies limit the devices that are distributed and supported. my company still doesn't have the iphone as an officially supported mobile device primarily because of the issues it had with exchange integration early on and then because of the security concern. hasn't stopped a few people from getting it, but if they have problems they're on their own. lol.

personally, i don't think the storm will make much headway into corporate environments even after the gold code is released as an official os and the storm is regarded as "stable". touchscreen only devices just aren't efficient enough for the majority of the workforce, plus they're much more delicate than their buttoned counterparts.

Perhaps I did not make myself clear, but thought that it was a given, so let me explain further

We don't evaluate every Blackberry from every provider, just the ones from our current ones (Verizon and Sprint/Nextel). Why would I want to test phones from providers that I don't use?

This not bad IT asset management, but quite the contrary.
By spending a couple of hundred dollars on a single phone, I have actually saved thousands (had I not tested this device and started ordering left and right for folks that were due for a new phone and wanted a Storm, I would have been stuck with a whole bunch of them, not just one).

We did the same with the Nextel Curve 8350i PTT, that was also released in December. We put it through the paces and guess what, this has been a great device, and we've already purchased about thirty of those and more on the way.

Neurobit

[Namji]

Originally Posted by Devlyn16

Some are Former BB users.
Some are coming Other "Brand Name" smart phones (Palm, Win-mo ETC).
Some are coming from "Almost" Smart Phones (LG EnV ETC).
SOme are coming from Dumb Phones.

What you think and what you expect is based on what you had before.

And most of the time when people say they have zero issues OR love their Storm no matter what.. are from these categories...

Some are coming Other "Brand Name" smart phones (Palm, Win-mo ETC).
Some are coming from "Almost" Smart Phones (LG EnV ETC).
SOme are coming from Dumb Phones.