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    Quote Originally Posted by boisdours View Post
    Is STA100-6 already available ?
    If so where can I get it ?
    This model only supports band1 that is principle band LTE in my country (Japan).
    I'm not sure about availability, hopefully someone else can chime in. Can you please tell me which Japanese carrier(s) uses band 1 for LTE, so that I could update the first post?
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    ofutur, would you happen to have the uplink and downlink frequency ranges for the UMTS 800 band for -1,2,5 and 6? I'm trying to figure out if the UMTS 800 band in these models is band 6, 19, or 20, and the FCC website is down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by raino View Post
    ofutur, would you happen to have the uplink and downlink frequency ranges for the umts 800 band for -1,2,5 and 6? I'm trying to figure out if the umts 800 band in these models is band 6, 19, or 20, and the fcc website is down.
    LTE band
    Uplink
    (mhz)
    Downlink
    (mhz)
    6 830 - 840 875 - 885
    19 830 - 845 875 - 890
    20 832 - 862 791 - 821
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    Quote Originally Posted by ofutur View Post
    LTE band
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    Downlink
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    6 830 - 840 875 - 885
    19 830 - 845 875 - 890
    20 832 - 862 791 - 821
    Oh I meant do you have any information about which UMTS 800 band is present in the Z30, considering "UMTS 800"--the way they list it in the spec sheet--could be band 6,19, or 20.
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    Quote Originally Posted by raino View Post
    Oh I meant do you have any information about which UMTS 800 band is present in the Z30, considering "UMTS 800"--the way they list it in the spec sheet--could be band 6,19, or 20.
    Hehe, I read your post too quickly and listed the LTE bands anyway...
    Most versions have band 5/6 which is 850/800.
    Band 6 UMTS uses the same frequencies as band 6 LTE. 20 is not used and 19 is for Japan
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    Quote Originally Posted by raino View Post
    I'm not sure about availability, hopefully someone else can chime in. Can you please tell me which Japanese carrier(s) uses band 1 for LTE, so that I could update the first post?
    They all do (3 main ones).
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    NTT Docomo
    Softbank
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    Quote Originally Posted by ofutur View Post
    Hehe, I read your post too quickly and listed the LTE bands anyway...
    Most versions have band 5/6 which is 850/800.
    Band 6 UMTS uses the same frequencies as band 6 LTE. 20 is not used and 19 is for Japan
    Yeah...band 5 is what I thought. But since -6 seems to have the Japanese LTE band, I was wondering if the UMTS 800 band in there was the NTT DoCoMo compatible band 19.

    Bands 6 and 19 aren't that drastically different in range, anyways. 6 covers all but 2.6 MHz of band 19's range.
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    Thank you Raino for your replay.
    There are 3 main carriers in Japan :
    NTT DOCOMO
    KDDI (AU)
    Softbank

    About LTE, band1 is supported by All carriers.
    Band18 by KDDI
    Band19, 21 by NTT DOCOMO

    And band3 will be supported soon (this month at main cities like Tokyo, Osaka and Nagoya) by NTT DOCOMO.

    So that I want -6 supports band 1 and 3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boisdours View Post
    ...So that I want -6 supports band 1 and 3....
    Correct, -2 used to have band 1, but it got removed and they've created the -6 instead.
    I'm wondering why they didn't just keep one LTE pentaband model...

    ----------------
    And I've checked the FCC data again for the -5 and it's band 4, not 1
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    824.7~848.3 MHz:LTE 850(B5) MHz825.5~847.5 MHz:LTE 850(B5) MHz
    826.5~846.5 MHz:LTE 850(B5) MHz
    829.0~844.0 MHz:LTE 850(B5) MHz
    1710.7~1754.3 MHz:LTE 1700(B4) MHz
    1711.5~1753.5 MHz:LTE 1700(B4) MHz
    1712.5~1752.5 MHz:LTE 1700(B4) MHz
    1715.0~1750.0 MHz:LTE 1700(B4) MHz
    1717.5~1747.5 MHz:LTE 1700(B4) MHz
    1720.0~1745.0 MHz:LTE 1700(B4) MHz
    826.4~846.6 MHz:W-CDMA 850(V) MHz 
    1712.4~1752.6 MHz:W-CDMA 1700(IV) MHz 
    1852.4~1907.6 MHz:W-CDMA 1900(II) MHz
    824.2~848.8 MHz:GSM 850 MHz
    1850.2~1909.8 MHz:GSM 1900 MHz
    2402.0~2480.0 MHz:Bluetooth
    2412.0~2462.0 MHz:Wireless LAN IEEE 802.11 b/g/n
    5180.0~5240.0 MHz:Wireless LAN IEEE 802.11 a/n
    5260.0~5320.0 MHz:Wireless LAN IEEE 802.11 a/n
    5500.0~5700.0 MHz:Wireless LAN IEEE 802.11 a/n
    5745.0~5825.0 MHz:Wireless LAN IEEE 802.11 a/n
    13.56 MHz:RFID
    Since the FCC is down, you can check this official link:
    http://www.ptcrb.com/vendor/complete...?modelid=24057
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    E-UTRA FDD: Band 4/Band 5/Band 7, GSM: 850/900/1800/1900, UMTS FDD: Band I/Band II/Band IV/Band V
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    Quote Originally Posted by raino View Post
    ...While going through the FCC docs for the Verizon variant, I came across another model# (RGB141LW) which I can say with a high degree of certainty is the Sprint variant. It seems to have CDMA 800, 850, and 1900, no UMTS bands and LTE band 25 (which was the giveaway.)...

    I'll hold off on updating the chart for the following reasons:

    1. Need to confirm GSM bands
    2. Need to confirm UMTS bands
    3. Need to find out what model RGB141LW will be: a sub-variant of the STA100-3, or some other model
    ...
    This doesn't make sense...

    From the FCC site:
    RGB141LW - Sprint
    LTE: 25
    CDMA: 0, 1
    UMTS: 2, 5
    GSM: 850, 1900

    RFX101LW - Verizon
    LTE: 4, 13
    CDMA: 0, 1
    UMTS: 2, 5
    GSM: 850, 1900

    That's exactly what I see in the OS, minus the bands they don't bother testing.
    The only difference between what I have and what's been published so far is that they've switched model number for Argos and AstroX and they've turned off one band on Astro.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ofutur View Post
    And I've checked the FCC data again for the -5 and it's band 4, not 1
    I got band 1 from RIM's S&PI, a .pdf which you can view here. Bands are listed on page 2 (bottom third of the left hand column.)

    Quote Originally Posted by ofutur View Post
    This doesn't make sense...

    From the FCC site:
    RGB141LW - Sprint
    LTE: 25
    CDMA: 0, 1
    UMTS: 2, 5
    GSM: 850, 1900

    RFX101LW - Verizon
    LTE: 4, 13
    CDMA: 0, 1
    UMTS: 2, 5
    GSM: 850, 1900

    That's exactly what I see in the OS, minus the bands they don't bother testing.
    The only difference between what I have and what's been published so far is that they've switched model number for Argos and AstroX and they've turned off one band on Astro.
    The Verizon bands from your list seem to match what I saw in the FCC docs, so that's good.
    Re: RGB141LW, I'm pretty sure they said it has the 800 MHz CDMA band in addition to bands 0 and 1. I saw numbers and a sentence comparing the 141LW and 101LW that said the former has this additional band. Of course, I can't find this .pdf now, and didn't save it then
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    Also see here for a write-up about the CDMA variants. It has the 800 band for Sprint listed in there as well. Credit goes to alexshay for finding this link.
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    so is the category similar to Z10? means that GSM model is STA-001 and LTE model is STA-002?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sportline View Post
    so is the category similar to Z10? means that GSM model is STA-001 and LTE model is STA-002?
    As far as we know, they're all LTE capable (like the Q10, and unlike the Z10.)
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    I've tried to read this thread, honestly, but I'm confused. I purchased a z30 yesterday SIM free from clove in the UK. I travel a lot to mainland China. Will this phone work? I'm not bothered about LTE etc I just need a phone signal for voice and a data signal 2g/3g will be fine.

    I'm also going to Florida on holiday in a few months time. I suppose the same question needs to be asked..

    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uktivo View Post
    I've tried to read this thread, honestly, but I'm confused. I purchased a z30 yesterday SIM free from clove in the UK. I travel a lot to mainland China. Will this phone work? I'm not bothered about LTE etc I just need a phone signal for voice and a data signal 2g/3g will be fine.

    I'm also going to Florida on holiday in a few months time. I suppose the same question needs to be asked..

    Thanks.

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    if you travel to europe and asia (except china) you will be save with 3G/GSM model or LTE model. China tend to use more CDMA/TDMA system so may be different, but that depends on how you roam (usually sim card has own provider/roaming alliance).
    not familiar with US market, but the closest GSM system in US is probably T mobile and AT&T.

    So if you travel around the world, get the STA100-1. if not available, then get STA100-2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sportline View Post
    if you travel to europe and asia (except china) you will be save with 3G/GSM model or LTE model. China tend to use more CDMA/TDMA system so may be different, but that depends on how you roam (usually sim card has own provider/roaming alliance).
    not familiar with US market, but the closest GSM system in US is probably T mobile and AT&T.

    So if you travel around the world, get the STA100-1. if not available, then get STA100-2.
    when traveling I normally don't roam, I normally buy a local SIM and divert my Skype in number to it. I travel a lot in China so I really need to ensure the z30 covers my needs.

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    Wow nice info.

    Sent from my Z10 using Tapatalk now Free
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    Quote Originally Posted by uktivo View Post
    when traveling I normally don't roam, I normally buy a local SIM and divert my Skype in number to it. I travel a lot in China so I really need to ensure the z30 covers my needs.

    Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk 4
    you better check what provider's using GSM in china, etc. personally i think GSM models (either 3.4G or 4G/LTE) is safest bet, as world phone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by raino View Post
    I got band 1 from RIM's S&PI, a .pdf which you can view here. Bands are listed on page 2 (bottom third of the left hand column.)...
    The FCC document is explicit, so someone chose the wrong band when putting together the document or the FCC filing will be updated at some point.
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    1710.7~1754.3 MHz:LTE 1700(B4)
    1711.5~1753.5 MHz:LTE 1700(B4)
    1712.5~1752.5 MHz:LTE 1700(B4)
    1715.0~1750.0 MHz:LTE 1700(B4)
    1717.5~1747.5 MHz:LTE 1700(B4)
    1720.0~1745.0 MHz:LTE 1700(B4)
    Quote Originally Posted by raino View Post
    ...Re: RGB141LW, I'm pretty sure they said it has the 800 MHz CDMA band in addition to bands 0 and 1. I saw numbers and a sentence comparing the 141LW and 101LW that said the former has this additional band. Of course, I can't find this .pdf now, and didn't save it then
    Band 0 is 800Mhz, but they also include band 10 at the same frequency...
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    817.9~823.1 MHz:CDMA2000 800(BC10)
    824.7~848.3 MHz:CDMA2000 800(BC0)
    1851.2~1908.7 MHz:CDMA2000 1900(BC1)
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    Quote Originally Posted by boisdours View Post
    Thank you Raino for your replay.
    There are 3 main carriers in Japan :
    NTT DOCOMO
    KDDI (AU)
    Softbank

    About LTE, band1 is supported by All carriers.
    Band18 by KDDI
    Band19, 21 by NTT DOCOMO

    And band3 will be supported soon (this month at main cities like Tokyo, Osaka and Nagoya) by NTT DOCOMO.

    So that I want -6 supports band 1 and 3.
    This place looks like it's selling the -6: BlackBerry Z30 (Unlocked) Black
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    Quote Originally Posted by raino View Post
    This place looks like it's selling the -6: BlackBerry Z30 (Unlocked) Black
    Thank you ! I sent email to confirm if the model is STA100-6.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fcsmyth View Post
    Now that the Z30 is selling in the UK, can anyone tell us if it is the STA100-2. If not which model is being sold by Selfridges?
    Bought My Z30 from carphone warehouse it is a STA 100-2 UK version unlocked,
    Tried on all networks no problems.
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    STA100-2: AT&T, Telus, Koodo,Virgin Canada, Fido, Bell (all 3G/HSPA+) T-Mobile USA(3G/HSPA+ only in UMTS 1900 areas,) Bell, Virgin Canada, Rogers, Fido (LTE only in LTE 2600 areas.)
    Can I use it in EU?
    Do you know? I just want to check before I get one!
    Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by vptsff View Post
    Can I use it in EU?
    Do you know? I just want to check before I get one!
    Thanks!
    Yes, it's the EU-LTE model, just like the Z10-2
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