[jaylink]

A 10.2 OS bug then. At least it's not a hardware issue.

My battery id is 256. Phone is STA100-2.

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Thanks for all your help.

As long as it doesn't hinder the performance of the phone/battery I can live with a few quirks. It's by far the best phone I have ever had, but I will admit I am still smitten for the passport.

[newbb12]

I just downloaded the thing after I saw this thread. Mine's pretty new too and it says 999 cycles. Am running 10.2.1.

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[RLTurn77]

A while ago I was asking for an all in one app that would show battery health in percent along with cycles, temperature, etc. for the Passport as when it was first purchased many of the apps were unavailable for the Passport. I previously had a simple "Battery" app on my Verizon Z10 and Z30 which was free, but unavailable for the Passport.

I ended up purchasing the Battery and System Analyzer (BASA) app. Other than BBM stickers, I have never used a paid app. Don't really need any apps, but wanted the battery monitor portion and the free apps in BlackBerry World for the Passport left me looking for something better.

The developer responded promptly to a request I made for a future update to allow up to 24 hours on the active frame and the app does so much more than I was asking so I would definitely recommend with 5 stars. Anyway, on the Passport, the cycle count is extremely accurate. I received the Passport shortly after launch and am currently at about 25 cycles.

On the Z10 and Z30 though the same app shows a much higher cycle count with a * stating "This by the System provided value incrases over the time and is proportional to your Battery age but doesn't provide a real cycle counter. On the basis of observations you have to divide this value by 50 or sometimes even by 100 to get the roughly value how often the battery was charged." (for accuracy I left the grammar mistakes there, not sure of the developer's native language).

The Z10, which is newer than the Passport is showing over 300 cycles and the Z30 from the Black Friday promo is showing close to 500 cycles. For those interested in an awesome app that truly compliments the device monitor that the device comes with and many different graphs including Cellular/WiFi traffic, I can't say enough about how much I love this app even if I'm not using it to it's full potential. Glad to support a BB10 developer!

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[niceup]

What is battery cycle life of the z30?

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[TechADD]

I hope it is a lot because I'm over 24000 in 1 year

[FrankIAm]

I hope it is a lot because I'm over 24000 in 1 year

Relevant username

[joeragan]

Anyway, on the Passport, the cycle count is extremely accurate. I received the Passport shortly after launch and am currently at about 25 cycles.

On the Z10 and Z30 though the same app shows a much higher cycle count with a * stating "This by the System provided value incrases over the time and is proportional to your Battery age but doesn't provide a real cycle counter. On the basis of observations you have to divide this value by 50 or sometimes even by 100 to get the roughly value how often the battery was charged." (for accuracy I left the grammar mistakes there, not sure of the developer's native language).

The Z10, which is newer than the Passport is showing over 300 cycles and the Z30 from the Black Friday promo is showing close to 500 cycles. For those interested in an awesome app that truly compliments the device monitor that the device comes with and many different graphs including Cellular/WiFi traffic, I can't say enough about how much I love this app even if I'm not using it to it's full potential. Glad to support a BB10 developer!

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Passport came out with OS 10.3.0 I think.
Are your Z10 and Z30 still with the OS 10.2.1? If yes, your finding support it that this is a bug with 10.2 OS.

I have just downloaded the demo version of BASA, unfortunately the Battery Cycle part is not clearly shown but looks like the number is 40 which is the same as what Traffic Monitor reported. I am running leaked OS 10.3.1.




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[RLTurn77]

Passport came out with OS 10.3.0 I think.
Are your Z10 and Z30 still with the OS 10.2.1? If yes, your finding support it that this is a bug with 10.2 OS.

I have just downloaded the demo version of BASA, unfortunately the Battery Cycle part is not clearly shown but looks like the number is 40 which is the same as what Traffic Monitor reported. I am running leaked OS 10.3.1.




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Yup, they are supposed to be Xmas gifts so no leaks, but I wonder if the app will correct itself with the release of 10.3.1 to the Z series. Hmm.

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[tushargkwd]

what is the definition of cycle in Battery Guru?

How much the counter get increased in one charging?

I can't compare, it's a paid app

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I don't know how battery guru determines what's a cycle actually is.... I bought this app for playbook and used it on my z10... and then using it on my z30 (thanks dev)

It shows an unreal 3000+ cycles within 45 days of buying the phone!! :P



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[arifbsantoso]

BASA is a good choice.


From my Z30

[joeragan]

BASA is a good choice.


From my Z30

15738 cycles is too much.
Are you on OS 10.2.x?



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[arifbsantoso]

Yes 10.2.1.3062

From my Z30

[FrankIAm]

Yes 10.2.1.3062

From my Z30

You should've noticed that it was already mentioned that it doesn't work on 10.2, it even says so in one of your screenshots.

[arifbsantoso]

I already use that app year ago.

From my Z30

[sauron4]

On my Z10 I've had since launch so nearly 2 years.




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[InfinityBob]

Battery Guru, power tools and traffic monitor all showing 2388 cycles for my approx 2 month old Z30 (purchased new). I am running latest 10.2.1. Does 10.3.1 iron out this bug?










It's a phone, I'm not "running it" or "rocking it" I just use it. Z30STA100-2/10.2.1.3062

[QtHelex]

Hey Folks!

I was told that here are a few talking about one of my apps... (BaSA)

Regarding the cycle count, this is a value which the system delivers and I thought also a long time that this value is not correct and simply wrong, but my mind changed.

I have now not a screenshot which shows what I mean, but look at the power graph of the Battery at your device when you have plugged it in while you continue to use it.

Usually would look like this:


At the blue power graph you see, the device is either charging or discharging. The power is positive or negative. At this screenshot on the left charging, in the center based on the usage how much power gets sucked from the battery and on the right again charging.

But when you plugin your Device and continue to read mails, BBM, Browser, enjoy a cool tower defense game or something else you will see that even while plugged and charging (especially at a USB port of a PC which delivers only 500mA instead of 1200mA or maybe 2A of a socket charger) the power is not always getting into the battery... there will be moments at which your device needs more power than the charging current delivers at this moment. And each time the power graph crosses the zero line it will count as a charge cycle since the energy begins short afterwards to get again into the battery instead of out.

This doesn't really hurt or damages your battery... it will survive... but it is a explanation why some have 24 charging cycles at the electronic of their battery after 2 weeks, and others 500 cycle counts in the same timeframe. It shouldn't be a big issue for your battery... but I would still suggest to do a full charge and full decharge when you get a fresh device. Afterwards, just use it and enjoy.

[joeragan]

Hi QtHelex,

What you described is 'micro-cycle'. Battery manufacturers define a cycle as a full charge-discharge., so if you charge your phone by just 10%, use it (-10%) and then repeat this 10 times it should counts as 1 cycle.

I have just tested my phone. Battery level was at 56%, I charged it to 60%, unplugged the charger, then used my phone till battery level dropped to 53%. The battery cycle count remained the same (44). I believe on OS 10.3.x blackberry corrected the way it counts a cycle.

Micro-cycles do not really hurt the battery, it just make it harder to estimate its remaining life. Having said that, temperature will have greater effect to battery life as compared to charging cycle.


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[RLTurn77]

Hey Folks!

I was told that here are a few talking about one of my apps... (BaSA)

I think I might get the prize for the initial mention of "BaSa". As I wrote before I will gladly support a BlackBerry 10 developer. Also, when I had a question, it was answered timely. My advice for future updates were taken into account (the ability for a 24 hour graph on the active frame) and replied to. I will reiterate that the Battery and System Analyzer is a 5 star app. There is so much information and different ways to display.

Even small things, like an "alarm" that goes off if somebody unplugs the device while charging is a cool feature. As you all can see, the developer is active on CB and for those that like to see in depth data about their device or some extra battery information, this app is excellent. It is a real compliment to the built in device monitor. I would definitely encourage anybody to at least download the free version to get an idea of what this app can do. Thanks to the dev for continuous support!

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[RLTurn77]

I'd also like to add that the cycle count does seem to be an OS issue. Hoping that when the Zs get 10.3.1 that the cycle count will recalibrate somehow as the cycle count is accurate on the Passport's OS.

Edit: grammar fix

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[QtHelex]

Aah, thanks a lot for the explanation. I thought it is the electronic within the battery which is counting here.
But indeed, this could be also firmware related. But stored seems the value to me to be within the battery. At least when I switch the battery the value got switched too... at least if I recall now correctly.

But regarding the currently for sure "wrong" values... I would say a firmware update can't fix them reactive. So only how it counts in the future will change.

[joeragan]

Aah, thanks a lot for the explanation. I thought it is the electronic within the battery which is counting here.
But indeed, this could be also firmware related. But stored seems the value to me to be within the battery. At least when I switch the battery the value got switched too... at least if I recall now correctly.

But regarding the currently for sure "wrong" values... I would say a firmware update can't fix them reactive. So only how it counts in the future will change.

I believe smartphone battery contains a small electronic circuit that store this value along with battery ID, designed capacity, health, ,etc. The OS read and interpret these values.

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[jaylink]

Hi QtHelex,

Micro-cycles do not really hurt the battery, it just make it harder to estimate its remaining life. Having said that, temperature will have greater effect to battery life as compared to charging cycle.


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Thanks for your explanation. Quick question. What is healthy battery temperature? What should the average temperature be?

I just looked at my phone, its been pretty idle the last hour or so and the temperature is up to 31 degrees. It's typically around 26 or 27.

[joeragan]

Thanks for your explanation. Quick question. What is healthy battery temperature? What should the average temperature be?

I just looked at my phone, its been pretty idle the last hour or so and the temperature is up to 31 degrees. It's typically around 26 or 27.

10 to 30 degrees would be ideal for li-ion battery. My battery also typically around 27 - 28 degree, but if I use the phone heavily (a lot of data transfer over cellular) the temperature increases, I have noticed it could reach 33 degrees.

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[QtHelex]

42 degrees while playing a good tower defence game...

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