- 12-23-12, 10:00 AM #127
Awesome info guys. Everything is important in this market, industrial design, mechanical specs, electronic specs, OS, apps, marketing, x factors, etc, etc. They are all scrutinized under magnifying glasses.
RIM's industrial and mechanical designs have always been top notch, but their electronics was usually one or two generations behind of everybody. I think they reduced the gap quite a bit with OS7 devices and almost caught up with PlayBook. After that they pretty much stopped releasing devices until BB10. The rumored BB10 specs show that they did indeed catch up with the other flagship phones, but not quite leapfroging the competitions. But the trend is good and I think there is a good chance that the next gen BB10 phones will be the time for them to really leap frog competitions on electronics.
- 12-23-12, 10:38 AM #130
How can you have a low specced device and still charge the same as high specced devices on other platforms, sure the iphone 5 has a dual core processor but its the most recent most efficient they have produced so far, come launch that ti omap 4470 will be near 6 months old. In electronics years that like 1 full year, yet i'm hearing i'm still going to have to shell out $600 for that, sure BB10 will sell among loyalists but how will it do trying to sway users of other platforms. looks more like you're charging me highly to have the privilege of using your OS. BTW if the Z10 is the mid tier device and is expected to sell for $600 then whats the A series (high end) going to sell for. will that be the BB10 equivalent to a porsche P whatever.
- 12-23-12, 10:51 AM #131
Regardless, I still don't agree with your about the hardware being 'underpowered', particularly when it was launched. Priced too high? Sure. Missing critical apps? Fine. Some OS glitches to work out? Sure. Light app store? OK.
But 'underpowered hardware' is not one of the faults I'd give the PlayBook.
- 12-23-12, 11:02 AM #132Even in the US, almost 50% don't use a smartphone yet.It's much easier to win over a new virgin customer than one that's already entrenched in an ecosystem.
On the other, I've seen six iPhone users switch to Samsung Galaxies, one iPhone user switch to Nokia Lumia 920 and one iPhone user hold out to get the new BlackBerry 10.
When I started asking them about it, there was a trend. 1) They were tired of iPhone and wanted to try something different. 2) They didn't buy apps or content. 3) The apps they used were common on all platforms.
Some were Apple fanboys (with Macs and Apple TVs) and some were not.
Would love to see the smartphone market segmented further. I see merit in the 'invested in ecosystem market' argument; but I also suspect a good chunk of smartphone users aren't seriously invested in anything or would face switching barriers.
- 12-23-12, 12:46 PM #134The biggest gripe for me was lagg between switching apps(even with only a few open
I don't notice any issues with switching. The UI on some apps can be laggier than I like on occasion though. I suspect the AIR apps on the PlayBook may contribute to this sluggishness. Hopefully cascades will eliminate the problem. Judging from the massive difference in quality between air games and native games, I'm hopeful.
- 12-23-12, 01:05 PM #136
- 12-23-12, 02:10 PM #138
RIM still has to make money though, I think they can put BB7 phones out for cheap, once BB10 phones are released, because BB7 phones suck compared to the competition. Lets be real here, I can get a iphone5 from Walmart from 127, its still 200 else where. I can get an S3 for 150. And at a lot of stores, the iphone 4S is 100 or less and the S2 is like 10 bucks....RIM can't compete...even with lowered prices, the problem is crappy hardware. So once BB10 comes out, people should WANT IT, and then afterwards, give kids or people who can't afford it, a BB7 or maybe a "lower end BB10"
- 12-23-12, 02:26 PM #139
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I read the first page of this thread, and kind of skimmed the rest, so forgive me if this has been covered. I may have missed it. But...
1.) Has ANY actual pricing been announced?? Like, for REAL? Is this whole thing people getting angry about speculation??
2.) I've NEVER paid more than $199 for a phone. My 9810 was $49. Yes, I got them from AT&T, and yes I had to sign a contract. But don't YOU need a carrier as well? If your carrier has deals, LIKE THEY ALWAYS DO, won't that be good enough? I may be in the minority here on THIS board, but I'm sure that I'm in the PUBLIC majority when I say that I don't need an Un-Locked phone. I'll take what I can get from my provider. If they, like AT&T, put too many restrictions on it, like they do with BB Bridge, then I'll just go to Verizon or something, and I'll probably be able to get the full version of the L-Series for about $199.
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- 12-23-12, 03:05 PM #141
If RIM doesn't come out with a double quad core with 10 gigs of memory and a two week battery they will fail.
And they better price them really cheap or I won't buy it.
Post from the future. Every year I've seen anyone come out with a new model of any phone there are those who demand newer than state of the art specs and absolute certainty that nothing else will do.
Bottom line IMO will be not the number of gigs or hertz but when someone holds the phone in the store how cool is it and what apps are available for it.
We can keep on about quads etc. but it isn't up to us.
- 12-23-12, 03:14 PM #142
- 12-23-12, 03:45 PM #143
- 12-23-12, 04:37 PM #144
As for specs... In the PC world they matter. In the smart phone world they only matter in the android section. Even there its making less and less of a difference.
Edit: Also this IS all speculation and I'm guessing it will sell for a touch under $600.
- 12-23-12, 09:33 PM #146
I love how people already know the price of the phone, the specs (even though we now may have 2 GB of RAM, and what else is different), and what apps won't be on the phone and talk with such absolution well before RIM has announced the phone.
- 12-23-12, 10:27 PM #147
As far as quad core, who cares as long as the CPUs they use are resulting in a fast os, if they have to throw pointless specs at their phones to make them sell then they are doomed since the only winner of that game in the long run will be Samsung.
2gb of ram, unlike a quad core boosts the experience of bb10, so it is a good thing we now know they have that, it is almost like rim knows what areas of bb10 will benefit from what specs or something.
- 12-23-12, 10:48 PM #148
Re: Z10 specs, price point - Not so impressed....
For those of you claiming to come from an IT job, yet remain unaware that the BB10 OS will be capable of running hi def games likely for a good 2 year run, has more than enough RAM for a 2 year run when considering the way the OS works, and playback hi def video, is only powering a 4.2 display not a phablet monstrosity, and does all of the above without any hiccups...
... I'd hire you on as an IT tech. For a starting salary based on your apparent knowledge level. How's $10k/year with no benefits, pension, or vacation tickle your fancy? PM me your resume.
2) Paying $199 for a phone is simply a trick to get you to pay way more for your plan. I doubt you can get that phone for $199 AND unlimited everything for $49. What more you pay than $49 over the course of your 24 month contract will most likely exceed the amount paid by just buying the phone outright. To some people this may not matter, but I like to pay the company for the product and the phone provider for the service.
- 12-25-12, 03:02 AM #150
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