- 12-21-2012, 11:23 PM #26
yes people, a product is worth what the parts cost, and thats it. no, forget about the people paid to put it together, those who have spent alot of time designing the hardware, coding the software, all the r+d and shipping too, that stuff doesnt cost anything...........meanwhile, in the real world, it does cost to employ people!!! shocker
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12-21-2012, 11:41 PM #27
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I think the price is on par with the competition, as are the specs.
However specs tell a small part of the story. Android phones on paper look very good, but the experience and OS fluidity is always suspect compared to iOS and Windows Phone 8.
From the looks of BB10, it runs fast and lean like a mobile OS should, so I would expect good performance and user experience which is really what matters most.
- 12-22-2012, 12:00 AM #28
The biggest problem IMHO, is that its last years hardware (when it'll be released).
Quad core CPUs and 1080p screens is going to be the new baseline for premium phones, we will see several models with those specs at Mobile World congress which is a few weeks away, and they might be on the market already when the L series come out.
When RIM settled on the hardware, the L series was still supposed to come out in 2012, so the delay is unfortunate. It means that it unfortunately isn't as cutting edge as some would like.
Don't get me wrong, there is a huge pent up demand for them (among BB fans at least).
But what about the rest of the potential customers? At the price point RIM is aiming for, customers will be able to get a quad core 1080p phone with twice the resolution and twice the horsepower/CPUs. That might be a tough sale...
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- 12-22-2012, 12:10 AM #30
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12-22-2012, 12:14 AM #31
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Some of these other platforms better start thinking about innovation, if that is the case. BB is going to set standards for a lot of people as far as the O/S is concerned. If the only thing some people think about is more power, faster CPU's, Quad cores and the like, they are going to fall into the same category as Apple is right now with their stale O/S, and each time a new model is introduced the only thing that will change is some of the internal features, such as CPU's, batteries, quad core etc, and up will go the price tag. People will think they are getting something totally new, when in reality they are only making a few hardware changes, which a lot don't know the difference anyhow. One can say the same about PC's too. I used to overclock my CPU on my pc when I owned one, and I had more crashes running it faster then when it was stock. Fast doesn't always mean better. It's the smoothness of it and the over all performance. Just saying. Especially since cell phones are becoming more like pocket computers in general
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- 12-22-2012, 12:23 AM #32
"They are going to fall into the same category as Apple"
What the heck are you talking about? Who are they? And how are they going to fall into the same category as Apple? Do you know somebody who manufactures their own smartphones?!?
And for what it's worth, I think you're pretty lonely with the opinion that iOS is "stale"... Either most people feel differently, or they just don't care, as the iPhone once again outsold the competition in the smartphone market in the US. Sales in Europe and China also beat previous records. So there is nothing that indicates that customers are looking for something new and untraditional.,,
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People only buy the next iphone because of the hardware change from the previous version. The iOS is solid and BB10 can be a solid OS for Blackberry. But dont think that hardware doesnt need to be kept up to date. Iphone kills on sales (over priced as it may be).
- 12-22-2012, 12:57 AM #34
RIM isn't Google if you haven't noticed and they cannot do things that Google can do. If they could, they would have a car driving around the world mapping it out and do a lot more. No on wants RIM products to be expensive, we would love them to be cheaper but I always equate RIM to Nintendo. Nintendos competition can do things it cannot, simply because Nintendo only makes video games and consoles. The moment the DS and Wii fail to sustain the company, the company fails to exist and must start selling assets. Sony sells electronics and MS computers.
Look at RIM, what do they sell.....phones. Apple sells music, computers, and all that jazz, MS too, Google does just about everything. These companies would be fine if their phones sold for a loss or didn't sell at all. RIM just can't do that. Do you honestly think people want to walk into a RIM store and plunk down a few hundred for a phone, when they could get a phone for less at their carriers?
- 12-22-2012, 01:09 AM #35
Many people can shell out over $ 800 for a brand new iphone. Heck, ill even shell out that much for the whole new experience.
Btw, Most of mobile apps are not heavy like PC apps so it is not too heavy for dual cores to process all the data execution. In my case, i practically haven't seen any app that are over 1GB. A smooth OS helps a lot, this is why iphone doesn't need quad core and still being sold like hot cake. A liquid OS like BB10 surely doesn't need quad cores if you have been watching those video.
Any way, you pay what you get. People willing to pay for new experience and you want to pay for higher specs. Sorry if RIM disappointed you :9
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12-22-2012, 01:25 AM #38
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I am not going to let ~ $150 sway my opinion IF there are no huge shortcomings on the release. As others have said, a properly engineered OS does not require top specs. iOS and Windows phone are both examples of great OS'es that work well on more modest hardware.
- 12-22-2012, 01:39 AM #39
- 12-22-2012, 01:59 AM #40
Let make it simple, a V8 (quad cores) sport car sure as h*ll drinking gas much more than a V6 sport one.
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12-22-2012, 02:06 AM #41Time you enjoy wasting, was not wasted
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- 12-22-2012, 02:28 AM #42
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12-22-2012, 02:57 AM #43
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The reality is that bb10 does not require excessive specs in order to perform great and if rim had wanted to get into this entirely idiotic spec arms race they would have gone with android already and in all likelihood would have been dead by now since they cannot compete with samsung as every other android manufacturer seems to be finding out give or take the few weeks when they have a higher spec model out.
Right now the companies making any money from handsets are apple and samsung, so the challenge for rim is how to join that group and the right way for them is probably to take some of what works for apple such as controlling the entire experience to avoid the need to go mad on specs and from samsung they cannot emulate the manufacturing benefits, but can offer their products at a range of pricepoints and not simply go with one model.
- 12-22-2012, 04:12 AM #44
i dont get why everyone is so upset with the specs, every seems on par with other top handsets. It has a snap dragon s4, which is the best processor available at the moment in regards to speed and battery life, has a screen with over 350ppi, a powerful gpu, and lte. The only thing I could see is the 1gb RAM, would've been nice if had 2gb, but 1gb is still fine, and 16gb storage is also on the low end, but it does have an sd card slot so you can add more. Plus as others have said, as long as the software can take advantage of those specs the user experience should be fantastic.all smartphones are tools.
android = 48pc tool set (you"ll eventually find the tool you need, but some assembly required)
iphone = swiss army knife (most of the tools you need in a small, simple to use package)
blackberry = adjustable wrench (sometimes all you need is a wrench)
windows phone = bionic wrench (its different....but it works)
- 12-22-2012, 05:30 AM #45
Try to google HUGS... Hurry Up Go to Sleep.
A dual core CPU at 1 ghz can finish several tasks faster than a single core at 1.5 ghz for example, goes to sleep faster and therefore uses less power. Likewise with an 800 ghz quad core CPU compared with the 1 ghz dual core. It uses less power for the same tasks because (among other things like process difference) it goes to sleep faster.
- 12-22-2012, 05:44 AM #46
You assume an awful lot here. For example that BB10 is three times as efficient as Android or iOS. Nothing suggests that is the case. the Playbook wasn't particularly efficient, and nothing that I'm hearing through the grapevine from developers suggests that BB10 is even close to the miracle you try to make it out to be.
The reality is, that its a 1.0 product, (1.5 at best) that's up against operating systems that have been optimized and finetuned for many years and many versions. If the BB10 is merely comparable in efficiency next to iOS, Android and WP8 they have reason to celebrate and be congratulated.
The other Important factor you happen to leave out, is that 3rd party software will be even less optimized and less efficient than the OS. Most of the apps, especially games you'll see for BB10 won't be developed for BB10, but will be quick and dirty ports. In other words, you'll wish for for more RAM and a quad core CPU in a years time.
Lastly, you try to explaining to customers that they're better off with a dual core phone rather than a quad core phone. MHz and number of cores have always won out in the marketplace, and I doubt it's going to change now.
- 12-22-2012, 05:46 AM #47
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12-22-2012, 05:59 AM #48
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They also have to ensure it is affordable to most. Having quad-core, 3GB RAM and 5.5" screen might impress you and few others but will be out of reach/interest for most (especially if you don't want its build to be samsung-plasticky). That's not what they want. They can release a "superphone" later but the first will have to accomodate almost everyone.Time you enjoy wasting, was not wasted
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12-22-2012, 06:24 AM #49
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In the final analysis you can't automatically assume that quad core uses less power. Perhaps in theorey it does but there are other real-world uses thatfactor in.
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12-22-2012, 07:06 AM #50
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If your not impressed with the spec, then buy an android and stfu. I fully believe apple has shown everyone that specs don't matter. As long as the OS is smooth and fluid, the user experience is what its all about, not who has the most raw computing power.
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