Is the Z10 as secure as 9900 running through BIS?
I have been trying to find a definitive answer to this.
The non corporate 9900 ran through BIS and RIM's (now BlackBerry) NOC. And the Z10 can just runs on a "Generic LTE" plan...just like any other smart phone.
I understand that there is no data compression with the Z10, but I don't know if the Z10 is as secure as the 9900.
Any insight would be welcomed and appreciated.
Thanks in advance!
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- 03-17-13, 01:57 PM #2
I guess it depends on what kind of security you are after. My guess is that over-the-air browsing will be less secure just based on the fact that you aren't using BIS. However, my understanding is that users can choose to keep BIS if they want or if carriers will allow. Hopefully someone else can chime in and clarify
- 03-17-13, 02:08 PM #3
As far as I know here in Canada, BlackBerry plans are identical for the Z10 as say a generic plan. Basically the only real difference is you'll see something that says 1X RIM Provisioning as a feature on the plan on your Z10 if you were on Bell (Although I'm assuming you, referring to the OP, are on AT&T).
As far as BIS is concerned. You can't really "keep" it, the data compression is now gone, obviously the device will still access the NOC for things like BlackBerry Messenger and BlackBerry World. Even if you have a "BIS" plan nothing is different other than the account having RIM provisioning. I believe that BlackBerry stated somewhere (I think it was in a video, which might actually have been a CrackBerry interview/information/demo type of video) where they explained how they've made the devices more secure with more security within the OS and on the software side of things.
Bottom line: In my opinion, the Z10 is fairly secure. Definitely more secure than other platforms out there. Is it as secure as BlackBerry Java OS devices? Debatable, BIS did offer compression and "security" although from what I understand that security was just the scrambling of messages, therefore BBM messages were not able to be decoded which prompted various nations Governments to have talks with BlackBerry about that.
Hope that helps
I have been using BlackBerry's since the 7250 and have become comfortable knowing that the device was secure running through the NOC. I use my phone for EVERYTHING and I guess that I have become somewhat concerned about how secure the Z10 is.
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- 03-17-13, 05:53 PM #8
- 03-18-13, 07:55 AM #10
in order to have some measure of the price difference: 150mb in bis cost as much as 300mb in regular data plan.
- 03-18-13, 08:11 AM #11
- 03-18-13, 08:48 AM #12
Email messages sent between the BlackBerry Internet Service and the BlackBerry Internet Service subscriber’s BlackBerry smartphone are not encrypted. When transmitted over the wireless network, the email messages are subject to the existing or available network security model(s).
This is as good time as any to take a look at the nature of encryption regarding BlackBerry’s Messenger app. Messages over BBM are not encrypted unless you’re using it over the company’s enterprise service, BES, and the admins in your organization enable the encryption option. BIS, which is not used in BlackBerry 10, has never been a secure network, other than using the standard security protocols implemented by mobile carriers over their data connection. BBM messages can be intercepted and read due to having a single global key that is used on every BlackBerry device to unscramble messages.
These are just copy and pastes from sites I just found regarding this.... I can't say for sure if they are 100% correct so you will have to do your own DD.....
Last edited by Bastar; 03-18-13 at 09:07 AM.
- Dragon Slayer
03-30-13, 07:17 PM #14
- 10,874 Posts
As you mention, the browser on the 9900 routes all traffic through RIM/Blackberry's BIS infrastructure before going out to the internet proper. Traffic traversing the BIS network is 'scrambled', but not particularly securely. (ie the encryption key is static and has a predictable link to the specific device that generates the traffic. If you know the tech, you can figure out the key and de-scramble everything) So you might say that browsing on the 9900 is slightly more 'obscured' than browsing on a Z10, assuming you are browsing non-encrypted pages. Which might deter a casual snooper, but not a real bad guy.
Depends on what your security objectives are. If US or Canadian law enforcement wants access to your surfing traffic, RIM/Blackberry will most likely provide it to them in unscrambled form especially if they have a warrant. (Though recent changes in US statutes sometimes subvert those traditional rights due to 9/11 hysteria)
In general, if you are surfing solid SSL-encrypted pages you will be fine, though there are some recent attacks on SSL that are a little worrying. (Some browsers have worked around that issue by disabling certain data transport features, but there are not enough config items in the BB10 browser to easily ascertain if that tech is enabled or not. The term for one of the potentially vulnerable protocols is "SPDY".)
If what you are most concerned about is someone snooping on the traffic itself rather than someone stealing your phone (which with the amount of data on smartphones today is like a total goldmine for 'evil-doers' if it's not locked-down and encrypted), then my suggestion would be to route all your traffic through a VPN, which will improve things greatly, whether or not the data you are accessing is itself encrypted.
Here's some examples of VPN service providers and one article about them. I'm just providing this list as an example, not endorsing any of them:
Seven VPN Services You Should Know About | PCMag.com
StrongVPN.com - Providing high speed, unlimited bandwidth, multiple country VPN accounts for over 100,000 users. Since 1995
- CrackBerry Genius
03-30-13, 08:16 PM #16
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I can't get LTE on the phone but it's either I get that and lose my TRUE ULT data plan or stick with HSPA+ speeds and keep my provisioned BlackBerry BES data plan.
P.S. - love the DBZ names!
Posted via CB10 using a Z10
- 03-30-13, 10:16 PM #17
Kind of funny when I had to tell them what to do as the representative had no idea what was wrong
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- Dragon Slayer
03-31-13, 12:22 PM #19
- 10,874 Posts
One of the problems is that once email and mobile technology became mainstream and a mass consumer product, the vast majority of questions fielded by support reps were inane things that could have been answered by reading the documentation, etc. Not really practicable to hire highly-skilled people to staff those "front lines", so these days I think the major challenge is how do people with better background/understanding bypass the 1st-level support reps, and do vendors make this a straightforward process.
Many "consumer-oriented" companies make that either difficult or impossible. The ones that don't, typically get my money.
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