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    BlackBerry Balance is a great tool but it is not usable if you dont have a BES account. How manny people would buy blackberry 10 if the multi profiles were able to be used without BES.

    Also would the ability to lock apps individually be a selling point? A jailbroken Iphone can do it.

    I know alot of people who would love a phone that can have muliple profile and be able to lock apps. what do you think?
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    No. I don't loan my phone out or let people play with it. Need a phone, go to the store and buy one like I did.
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    No one else uses my phone. Besides, everyone I know has their own
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    I'd like there to be a guest account. It's in my wishlist (see My wishlist for Z10 OS update)
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    Balance won't work unless you have a BES account? Jesus, what about those that just want different profiles for regular jobs?! Once again a giant fail for BB
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    Black Berry is about security. Why not offer these functions when the competition doesn't. You can lend your phone out and not have to worry about someone snooping in your stuff.
    Yes I know there are people who dont lend there phone out but there are many people you do.
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    I think the idea of BB Balance and being able to separate work from private life is attractive to a lot of people. It would be great if anyone (thinking of the people who run their own small business as prime examples who don't have access to BES) could have the option. I know I would...
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    Can Keven get involved and give us an update on this ?

    1. we need an application lock


    2. we want balance to work for everyone not just BES customers.

    I wouldn't get a phone that I couldn't lock apps individually.
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    I would love two profiles! If only (
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    Actually, at least some of this can be implemented through parental controls, I think.

    I'm trying to figure out the actual use case for a non-BES Balance; what is the practical use for this? (and I don't mean to sound snotty, either--this just strikes me as one of those things that sounds cool, but might not actually get used that much if it's actually implemented)





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    this just strikes me as one of those things that sounds cool, but might not actually get used that much
    I think that's missing the point somewhat. Adding a 'Balance Lite' feature (irrespective of its usefulness) would increase the perceived 'bang for your buck'. That can only be a good thing for sales of BB10 devices. It also enables the marketing department to 'sell' another feature - something many would argue both Samsung and Apple do more effectively than BlackBerry. Its all about the art of selling.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderbuck View Post
    I'm trying to figure out the actual use case for a non-BES Balance; what is the practical use for this?
    I'd refer to my point above in that it doesn't necessarily have to have a major practical use - but here are some;

    It could provide a Kid's Corner type functionality from WP8. A safe mode containing games and media for the kids to use without the worry of them accidentally deleting emails or making overseas calls.

    It could provide a safe mode / guest user profile (with bare bones device access) for occasions when someone wants to casually use your phone.

    I'm also pretty sure a Balance Lite mode would benefit your average small business in the same ways it would a larger one (minus the need for a few things like the Enterprise App World).
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    That was well put. I believe it will only be a matter of time befor Apple and Samsung impliment this on their own phones. Showing the public how they are innovating. They will say it's foreveryone and not just the BES Business professional to get a leg up on Blackberry with their new feature Balance. With their advertising it will sell as a great feature as stated before. If Blackberry has this technolgy now it would be a shame not to use it for the masses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dworld4u2c View Post
    Can Keven get involved and give us an update on this ?

    1. we need an application lock


    2. we want balance to work for everyone not just BES customers.

    I wouldn't get a phone that I couldn't lock apps individually.
    There is apps made that allow you to lock apps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dworld4u2c View Post
    only be a matter of time befor Apple and Samsung impliment this on their own phones. Showing the public how they are innovating.
    Quote Originally Posted by dworld4u2c View Post
    If Blackberry has this technolgy now it would be a shame not to use it for the masses.
    Apple & Android know the mistake Blackberry made, which was they got lazy, stopped innovating, and lost market share. The twin duo giants won't be sitting back, they'll be innovating on top of their already popular OS.

    Apple is trying to stay ahead of Android.
    Samsung/Android is trying to stay ahead of Apple.

    Blackberry just wants to be heard, the fight is much harder from this far down but not impossible, just needs to open itself up to more things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr_F View Post
    I think that's missing the point somewhat. Adding a 'Balance Lite' feature (irrespective of its usefulness) would increase the perceived 'bang for your buck'. That can only be a good thing for sales of BB10 devices. It also enables the marketing department to 'sell' another feature - something many would argue both Samsung and Apple do more effectively than BlackBerry. Its all about the art of selling.
    That sounds awfully close to asking for features regardless of whether or not they're actually useful. Did I read that wrong?

    I'd refer to my point above in that it doesn't necessarily have to have a major practical use - but here are some;

    It could provide a Kid's Corner type functionality from WP8. A safe mode containing games and media for the kids to use without the worry of them accidentally deleting emails or making overseas calls.
    Activate Parental Controls and turn on Airplane Mode. Done.

    It could provide a safe mode / guest user profile (with bare bones device access) for occasions when someone wants to casually use your phone.
    Huh? Who just "casually uses" someone else's phone? Or are you just worried they might find your porn stash? Sorry, if someone "casually uses" my phone it's with me there, watching closely. I mean, seriously, I wouldn't allow anyone to use my phone that I wouldn't want in my stuff anyway. Kind of like, I wouldn't let anyone stay at my house who I'd worry might look in my medicine cabinet.

    I'm also pretty sure a Balance Lite mode would benefit your average small business in the same ways it would a larger one (minus the need for a few things like the Enterprise App World).
    Or, maybe that business looks at hosted Exchange with BES10 on top of it, and then they get Balance for real.

    Won't deny, it's probably not a bad idea





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    Quote Originally Posted by dworld4u2c View Post
    If Blackberry has this technolgy now it would be a shame not to use it for the masses.
    I fully agree with your comments. I particularly like this point - especially when it's something that BlackBerry is promoting as heavily as they are. They've already done the hard work in terms of getting it up and running - so why not open up a 'Lite' mode for the consumer market? I'm unsure as to how wise it is to advertise a feature (as heavily as BlackBerry have done) that's only available to (approximately) 20% of your user base.
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    I think the teenager market would love to have a phone with multiple profiles. Thats for sure. Todays youth is tomorrows decision makers. Apple went after the youth. They grew up on
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    I would love balance for my work as a salesman. having everything together is a buzz kill at times. Balance attracted me. I will still get a Z10 regardless. I think if people saw it and were able to use it, it would attract alot more people.

    Just spit balling here but if you had a phone that could build two phone numbers in it and have balance on it would be great. If i could have my sales number and my personal number on one device i would pay a premium for that service.

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    Balance has it's quirks...I moved off the BES and went direct to Activesync. There were many things I just could not live with on Balance. I would love to hear from other users on it how they feel about it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by xamdam View Post
    There is apps made that allow you to lock apps.
    Blackberry 10 doesnt have any of them
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderbuck View Post
    That sounds awfully close to asking for features regardless of whether or not they're actually useful. Did I read that wrong?
    Yes, you did. Other comments are testament to the fact that the point I made was understood.


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    Activate Parental Controls and turn on Airplane Mode. Done.
    There are a number of ways to get from point A to point B. The vast majority of people will always favor the most convenient route (if presented with a choice). Quite simply, the route you suggested is less convenient than swiping down on the screen to activate a guest account. Also, not being able to receive calls, data, emails, BBM and / or texts during that time (due to the activation of Airplane Mode) is also less than ideal and I'd imagine a deal breaker for many.


    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderbuck View Post
    Huh? Who just "casually uses" someone else's phone? Or are you just worried they might find your porn stash? Sorry, if someone "casually uses" my phone it's with me there, watching closely. I mean, seriously, I wouldn't allow anyone to use my phone that I wouldn't want in my stuff anyway. Kind of like, I wouldn't let anyone stay at my house who I'd worry might look in my medicine cabinet.
    Granted, that particular example was the least likely (over the device lifetime) - but I've found it to be a regular occurrence since getting my Z10. You have to remember that the phone is new and somewhat mysterious and as such people will and do have an interest in it (especially with it being a new BlackBerry). I couldn't tell you how many people have asked to try / use / see / play with my shiny new Z10. I'm sure it's a scenario experienced by many a Z10 owner. I have no problem with giving them permission to use the phone - but I do get somewhat anxious with them having such easy access to all of my communications via the Hub (which is a sentiment shared by many I know). I was the same with my legacy devices (but less so as I could file my messages away in a separate folder). I doubt I'm the only one that's been slightly uncomfortable about something like that. A simple activation of a guest account (that didn't have access to my personal data) would be an ideal solution (for me and I'd imagine others too).


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    So what we need is some to install BES10 at home, and offer up an activation service to create the workspace that you can secure down and password protect.. thats easy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr_F View Post
    ...There are a number of ways to get from point A to point B. The vast majority of people will always favor the most convenient route (if presented with a choice). Quite simply, the route you suggested is less convenient than swiping down on the screen to activate a guest account. Also, not being able to receive calls, data, emails, BBM and / or texts during that time (due to the activation of Airplane Mode) is also less than ideal and I'd imagine a deal breaker for many.
    Okay, if not receiving calls etc is a problem then just activate Parental Controls. Not quite the same thing, granted, but it can be configured to lock the phone down pretty effectively. Once it's configured it's just a quick trip into settings and the flip of one switch.


    Granted, that particular example was the least likely (over the device lifetime) - but I've found it to be a regular occurrence since getting my Z10. You have to remember that the phone is new and somewhat mysterious and as such people will and do have an interest in it (especially with it being a new BlackBerry). I couldn't tell you how many people have asked to try / use / see / play with my shiny new Z10. I'm sure it's a scenario experienced by many a Z10 owner. I have no problem with giving them permission to use the phone - but I do get somewhat anxious with them having such easy access to all of my communications via the Hub (which is a sentiment shared by many I know). I was the same with my legacy devices (but less so as I could file my messages away in a separate folder). I doubt I'm the only one that's been slightly uncomfortable about something like that. A simple activation of a guest account (that didn't have access to my personal data) would be an ideal solution (for me and I'd imagine others too).
    Okay, but if you're locking down the messaging, you're preventing your "guest" from seeing a good chunk of the Z10's functionality, so I'd suggest in this specific use case that you're defeating the purpose. I'm sorry, even showing off a phone to someone who's interested, I'd just show them myself as I walked through much of it, and maybe open a text editor (already dozens of free ones, btw) to let they try out the keyboard.

    Again, I'm having trouble wrapping my mind around this. If I have business accounts that I want to keep separate from personal accounts, that would be a BES10 case. If my employer wants me to have a BB I'd tell him to do BES10 for Balance or he can provide a company phone. BTW, this is very likely why we won't see "Balance Lite": why would a business bother with BES10 if Balance be essentially duplicated for free?





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    I'm not sure how much sense it makes to go any further into that particular use case with you. You've explained yourself as have I - it's clear that we use our devices in different ways. Nothing wrong with that.

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    why would a business bother with BES10 if Balance be essentially duplicated for free?
    Re your point above I think you may be confused with what I'm suggesting. I'm not proposing a full blown version of Balance. As stated many times I'm suggesting a 'Lite' version akin to a slightly more robust guest account. A Balance Lite mode factory installed on consumer handsets sans some of the features of the Enterprise version.
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    Possible to make sense, but idk how actual practice this could be. I could see my self using it but it's not needed.
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