- 02-01-13, 10:30 AM #51
(aside: I'm calling the company "BlackBerry" or "BB" and the DEVICES will collectively be "BBDs".)
Now, BB doesn't manufacture the actual camera component. Who does?
Light data goes through the lens and hits the sensor which is converted to electric impulses which are in turn processed by software into a picture.
Is the physical hardware inside the BBDs inferior, or is it the software? If it's software, I will leave it to the developers to fix it.
If it's because BB "decided" to go down market with a cheap sensor made by a company that doesn't make very good sensors, I will have to take a GO Transit bus to Waterloo and give Thorsten Heins a good SMACK across the face a la a 40's movie "broad" showing the roguish cad the whatfor.
According to iSuppli, the cameras in the iPhone 5 cost $18. If BB indeed lowered the price of the device by $30 so they could cut corners on the cameras, I WILL BE VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY ANGRY... and disappointed, because THAT IS VERY VERY STUPID! Personally I carry a Canon S95 with me everywhere I go, so I have a really GOOD camera always available... I only use my phone camera to take pictures of "information" that I need temporarily and then throw the pic away... but many people want a decent camera in their phone and if BB cut corners for no good reason other than "eff YOU!" to those who DO want a decent camera, how can we of CrackBerry Nation be anything but disappointed and / or enraged.
It makes me want to sell my shares as soon as the price stabilizes, which it will, above what I paid, probably by June.
Last edited by lorax1284; 02-01-13 at 10:49 AM.
- 02-01-13, 10:44 AM #52
Re: Why is the camera quality on Z10 still lacking?
Face it - the consumer market is what's driving adoption these days, not core fan bases that will use whatever RIM/Blackberry puts out. The camera is bad. It's worse than a Galaxy SII camera, easily, and not even on par with HTC Flagships from late 2011 (Vivid, Rezound, Sensation, Amaze 4G).
And for the record, more MP does not equate to better image quality. In many cases the MP are shoved into equivalent sensor sizes which leads to WORSE image quality - just larger images. There's a reason why the Lumia 920 only has a 8.7MP sensor, and the Pureview 808 has a HUGE sensor protruding out of it to accommodate the bigger MP. Compare that to something like Sony's 12.x MP sensors in their phones, which is almost the same size as the One X's sensor, but takes much noisier images as a result.
That camera quality isn't great. Not even close. Look at the images. I'm impressed the Lumia, though. I went to the AT&T store to play with the camera and it was nice. I only hate the barebones camera software Microsoft has in WP8.
The success of a product has more to do with what one person thinks is great. Not everyone is content with mediocrity, especially when there are a number of devices available for half the cost with much better ecosystems backing them which have much better camera hardware and software on them.
Last edited by n8ter#AC; 02-01-13 at 10:58 AM.
Clove Blog has some interesting pictures taken by Z10. Seems like the pic look good under strong sunlight and medicore when the surrounding is shaded, like the old BB phones.
BlackBerry Z10 Sample Images
- 02-01-13, 11:08 AM #54
Why is the camera quality on Z10 still lacking?
The best camera I've ever used from BlackBerry was on the Style 9670...yes the flip phone lol. 5 MP with auto focus it always took fantastic shots IMO.
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- CrackBerry Addict
02-01-13, 11:27 AM #56
- 557 Posts
Eeeeeh !! iPhone 5 has a 1.2 GHz dual core processor, 1 gig of ram, 8 MP camera, with a 1.3 MP front facing camera. BBZ10 has better specs. But still, the camera quality is not about pixels, people have been fooled about this, i mean pixels are important, but is the camera sensor which gives the real quality of the pictures.
Another though is that if the new BB devices don't take good quality pictures, Instagram wont be interested in developing for BlackBerry.
- 02-01-13, 12:44 PM #57
It's upsetting that a new device can be released (not yet available in the US) but still be putting out things that folks are seeing as not being stellar when they had all the time in the world to hit the nail on the head. Granted an update may or may not help the issue a bit but if they are trying to be more relevant as a brand that can sit along side other smartphones- everyone wants bomb video and bomb pics. That's just a given.
I have stock in BlackBerry. I hate to start asking myself why now.
- CrackBerry User
02-01-13, 01:10 PM #58
- 63 Posts
Software updates will improve the camera up to the max that the hardware can deliver. Not better than but at least up to. I have every expectation that they are staying awake nights trying to make this the best they can.
The ultimate truth is, everyone is going to put the phone in their pocket, smear it up with greasy fingerprints from their super size me "happy meal" and then pop off a couple of pics through their filthy lens and be happy with the result.
What is likely going to happen is the hardware, even though less than the best spec'd out there, is going to take such great pics of people (because of the brilliant time editing features) that your friends will be praising your photography skills (rubbing off on the hardware in your hand). The photography "system" in the Z10 is going to be one of the best overall packages out there...not necessarily for the best quality pics but for the best people pleasing pics... until the other guys come up with something as clever.
- 02-01-13, 01:18 PM #59
I hope you're right on all accounts.
I wish for nothing more more than for BlackBerry to be successful and beyond.
At this point- things will unfold as they may. I just hope there is no real displeasure if anyone that has purchased these devices- though human nature is to complain indeed (guilty here Indeed)
Last edited by CrownIsle; 02-01-13 at 08:44 PM.
- CrackBerry Abuser
02-01-13, 01:28 PM #61
- 127 Posts
- the tail on the Funky! (PM me)
Do more megapixels mean better picture quality? - Yahoo! Answers
Camera megapixels: Why more isn't always better (Smartphones Unlocked) | Dialed In - CNET Blogs
The Megapixel Myth
The Megapixel Myth: Is More Really Better? - TopTenREVIEWS
In other words, dont judge a camera by it's MP count. Post processing by the camera means so much more and for image quality you have to start with a good lens.
- 02-01-13, 02:05 PM #62
- CrackBerry Abuser
02-01-13, 06:07 PM #63
- 310 Posts
The fact of the matter is: to be truly compelling, the Z10 needs to be doing everything an iPhone can do as well or better. They put in all this work to be competitive on all these features and then the camera is this huge oversight that they've NEVER been able to get right. Dismissing the problem is a huge disservice to the brand you think you're defending.
- 02-01-13, 08:45 PM #64
- 02-02-13, 02:03 AM #65
Re: Why is the camera quality on Z10 still lacking?
Secondly, life happens indoors, in low light too. Whether it's a silly thing that a child of pet does or a beautifully decorated church at Christmas or friends at a restaurant, one can't guarantee the position of the sun or the lighting.
If I can take great pics with my SGIII and my 4S today, I should reasonably expect a BB flagship to do the same for its just released device.
Looking at the pics of Kevin and the team doing the comparison shots on the Nokia, iPhone, and SGIII, it is sad to see that you can really pick Z10.
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- 02-02-13, 09:49 AM #66
Photos Taken With The Z10 thread has totally proven this thread otherwise . . . . . thankfully.
The images look awesome but I can't lie and act like I don't see CrackBerry Kev's comparing photo shots in my head lol
I think the camera is going to be great from the looks of the other thread.
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