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    Default Unforgivable Flaws/Bugs on the Z10 (IMHO)

    The Z10 has some "nasty" bugs or inconveniences that aren't bugs but are here to stay. Or, they could be flaws that can't be corrected due to OS limitations. Either way, if BlackBerry doesn't sort out these fairly simple but extremely crucial elements in their OS soon, customers will start going back to Android and iOS and leave BlackBerry out of business:

    CALL SOMEONE YOU'RE CHATTING WITH

    You don't have the option to call a contact from your messages. Remember how handy this feature used to be on Android? It's one of the most simplest of features and is a crime to not have it. On Android, if you were chatting with someone through SMS and then wanted to call that person all you would have to do is long-press the chat snippet and you'd be given lots and lots of options, one of them being CALL. I don't see that option on the Z10.

    SEARCH DOESN'T WORK FOR ANYTHING BESIDES EMAIL OR SOCIAL MEDIA. CAN'T SEARCH BY NAME.

    Hub: When you're in the hub and you want to search for a phone call you placed the other day, you want to type in the name of the person that you called and have that dialed number show up. What you get is "No entries in this view". Go ahead, please try it.

    Inbox: When you're in messages and you want to look up "that" SMS you sent Rachel the other night, you want to type in her name in the search bar and get some results! Sadly, you get nothing but "No entries in this view".

    BATTERY PERCENTAGE

    What? How excruciating would have it been for you to include this BlackBerry? And it seems it still won't be addressed with new 10.1 update.

    ROTATION DELAY

    Look how fast screen rotation works on the iOS or Android. Blackberry, please get these kind of things right the first time. It's annoying have to wait 4 seconds for the screen to change its orientation. No matter how new your device is, no, it shouldn't take 4 seconds to rotate the screen.

    CAN'T ADD CONTACT FROM THE HUB

    After using the Z10 for quite a while, I appreciate how important and valuable the Hub is for an average user like me. I find myself doing most things like messaging and calling from inside the Hub. In the world of smartphones, it is a "given" to be able to add a contact from long-pressing an unknown contact number from....ANYWHERE. However, inside the Hub, you are not allowed to add a contact to an unknown number even when you're inside the Calls section. Long-pressing a number inside the Hub doesn't give you that option.

    30 DAY EMAIL

    I've heard of the 30 day Email limit although I'm not personally bothered by it. However, this is one heck of an OS limitation or bug. Probably the biggest, given that BlackBerry devices are pre-dominantly designed for business-people.

    These are some the biggest issues with the new Z10. Their the most biggest issues because they're the most simple to tackle. Why doesn't BlackBerry focus on issues like these instead of things like making word predictions appear in green instead of blue (which is coming in the next update). I mean, who really gives a **** about that?

    MY REPLY WHICH CAN BE FOUND ON PAGE 5:

    "Sorry to disappoint those of you who thought I had vanished never to return, but some of us have lives outside CrackBerry too.

    First things first, I'd like to do away with all the skeptics claiming I don't own or haven't ever used a Z10:

    Unforgivable Flaws/Bugs on the Z10 (IMHO)-img_20130423_234810.jpg

    I hope that settles it. Anyway, moving on, I've noticed I've made lots and lots of people angry, however, the fault it appears, isn't necessarily mine. There is no need to become so emotional and fanatically delusional to the point of no longer being able to judge something purely on its merit.

    When someone says "this doesn't work" or "that doesn't work" in today's age of smartphones what one actually means is "it is too unintuitive". This is especially true when companies like Apple and Google have simplified the way we communicate and search for information.

    So should one say "you don't have the option to call a contact from your messages" if you can't find it in the most convenient of places, the options button at the bottom right corner of the screen? One certainly should.

    All my points except for one are valid and have not been proven false by anyone, with proof. The one point I was wrong about was "not being able to add a contact from the Hub". I tried it again and I did see the option to save an unknown number in the Calls and as well as Messages section.

    I'm wanting to love my new Z10, and I'm pretty confident I will more and more as subsequent updates are released, however, all but one of the issues I have addressed in this thread still go without saying that they are "unforgivable" - simply because they were extremely basic and simple. No one has still been able to successfully argue against these points:

    - screen takes a mighty long time to rotate. It's ridiculous to say something along the lines of "mine doesn't". It does. Just accept it. Stop being delusional. All Blackberries have this problem, and if you don't see it, then you probably never owned an Android or iPhone before. In that case, I respect your spat.

    - there is no battery percentage display either on the home screen or lock screen. Please don't say "there are apps for that". BlackBerry's "active frames" technology makes using an app for simple tasks like that a pain in the ***.

    - there is no way to search for a message sent/received, a phone call dialed or missed from within the hub.

    - searching for a message inside the Text Messages app by sender or recipient name does not work and returns "No entries in this view".

    The majority of the responses in this thread have only purported to be work-arounds to the issues laid out. And the "surefire" methods that I HAVE learned from the responses in this thread are too "unintuitive" or counter-productive.

    I'm a normal bloke. I'm no "troll" or "spy". I hope people kick out of their fanboy frame of minds and start taking criticism constructively. BlackBerry doesn't need your emotional support or for you to clean up after them. What they need is honest feedback and threads like these, heated or no."
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    The 30 day email is gaining notoriety

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    Judging by your complaints, I have a hard time believing you have a BlackBerry. First, you can call a contact from the hub. Just tap the blue bar at the top which will open the contact card. Second, you can add contacts from the phone section of the hub and anywhere else within the hub by long press and choose the add to contacts option.

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    I just rotated my phone to see how responsive it is, and it was faster than on my Galaxy Nexus.

    *shrug*

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    Actually you can call someone from your chat. Click his or her name at the top of the hub once and you have his or her contact details you can call her or him from there.


    30 days email will be addressed on 10.1

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    Battery percentage is provided in the Settings.

    Setting > About > Hardware
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaygere View Post
    The Z10 has some "nasty" bugs or inconveniences that aren't bugs but are here to stay. Or, they could be flaws that can't be corrected due to OS limitations. Either way, if BlackBerry doesn't sort out these fairly simple but extremely crucial elements in their OS soon, customers will start going back to Android and iOS and leave BlackBerry out of business:

    CALL SOMEONE YOU'RE CHATTING WITH
    Click on their avatar and select phone number
    You don't have the option to call a contact from your messages. Remember how handy this feature used to be on Android? It's one of the most simplest of features and is a crime to not have it. On Android, if you were chatting with someone through SMS and then wanted to call that person all you would have to do is long-press the chat snippet and you'd be given lots and lots of options, one of them being CALL. I don't see that option on the Z10.

    SEARCH DOESN'T WORK FOR ANYTHING BESIDES EMAIL OR SOCIAL MEDIA. CAN'T SEARCH BY NAME.

    Hub: When you're in the hub and you want to search for a phone call you placed the other day, you want to type in the name of the person that you called and have that dialed number show up. What you get is "No entries in this view". Go ahead, please try it.

    Inbox: When you're in messages and you want to look up "that" SMS you sent Rachel the other night, you want to type in her name in the search bar and get some results! Sadly, you get nothing but "No entries in this view".

    BATTERY PERCENTAGE

    What? How excruciating would have it been for you to include this BlackBerry? And it seems it still won't be addressed with new 10.1 update.

    ROTATION DELAY

    Look how fast screen rotation works on the iOS or Android. Blackberry, please get these kind of things right the first time. It's annoying have to wait 4 seconds for the screen to change its orientation. No matter how new your device is, no, it shouldn't take 4 seconds to rotate the screen.
    10.1 gives a great rotation delay now
    CAN'T ADD CONTACT FROM THE HUB

    After using the Z10 for quite a while, I appreciate how important and valuable the Hub is for an average user like me. I find myself doing most things like messaging and calling from inside the Hub. In the world of smartphones, it is a "given" to be able to add a contact from long-pressing an unknown contact number from....ANYWHERE. However, inside the Hub, you are not allowed to add a contact to an unknown number even when you're inside the Calls section. Long-pressing a number inside the Hub doesn't give you that option.

    30 DAY EMAIL

    I've heard of the 30 day Email limit although I'm not personally bothered by it. However, this is one heck of an OS limitation or bug. Probably the biggest, given that BlackBerry devices are pre-dominantly designed for business-people.
    10.1 fixes this
    These are some the biggest issues with the new Z10. Their the most biggest issues because they're the most simple to tackle. Why doesn't BlackBerry focus on issues like these instead of things like making word predictions appear in green instead of blue (which is coming in the next update). I mean, who really gives a **** about that?
    Personally for me, I would like my phone to make me a sammich but that ain't happening til 10.2
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    If I don't respond to you, it probably means that I am tired of the thread. Please PM me if you need to ask me something, vent, whine, respond to a post, ect.
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    You can add the unknown number on your contact from the hub too.
    Unforgivable Flaws/Bugs on the Z10 (IMHO)-img_00000128.png

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    It's unforgivable and the phone is not for you. Seems as though you don't have this phone or are too lazy to ask for help or exploring the phone on HOW to do the things you have put on your list.

    IOS and Android are more for you.

    Good luck with your next choice

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    its funny what some people consider unforgivable.... when most of the time its not that the feature isnt there....its the opperator that doesnt know how to use it!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaygere View Post
    The Z10 has some "nasty" bugs or inconveniences that aren't bugs but are here to stay. Or, they could be flaws that can't be corrected due to OS limitations. Either way, if BlackBerry doesn't sort out these fairly simple but extremely crucial elements in their OS soon, customers will start going back to Android and iOS and leave BlackBerry out of business:

    CALL SOMEONE YOU'RE CHATTING WITH

    You don't have the option to call a contact from your messages. Remember how handy this feature used to be on Android? It's one of the most simplest of features and is a crime to not have it. On Android, if you were chatting with someone through SMS and then wanted to call that person all you would have to do is long-press the chat snippet and you'd be given lots and lots of options, one of them being CALL. I don't see that option on the Z10.

    SEARCH DOESN'T WORK FOR ANYTHING BESIDES EMAIL OR SOCIAL MEDIA. CAN'T SEARCH BY NAME.

    Hub: When you're in the hub and you want to search for a phone call you placed the other day, you want to type in the name of the person that you called and have that dialed number show up. What you get is "No entries in this view". Go ahead, please try it.

    Inbox: When you're in messages and you want to look up "that" SMS you sent Rachel the other night, you want to type in her name in the search bar and get some results! Sadly, you get nothing but "No entries in this view".

    BATTERY PERCENTAGE

    What? How excruciating would have it been for you to include this BlackBerry? And it seems it still won't be addressed with new 10.1 update.

    ROTATION DELAY

    Look how fast screen rotation works on the iOS or Android. Blackberry, please get these kind of things right the first time. It's annoying have to wait 4 seconds for the screen to change its orientation. No matter how new your device is, no, it shouldn't take 4 seconds to rotate the screen.

    CAN'T ADD CONTACT FROM THE HUB

    After using the Z10 for quite a while, I appreciate how important and valuable the Hub is for an average user like me. I find myself doing most things like messaging and calling from inside the Hub. In the world of smartphones, it is a "given" to be able to add a contact from long-pressing an unknown contact number from....ANYWHERE. However, inside the Hub, you are not allowed to add a contact to an unknown number even when you're inside the Calls section. Long-pressing a number inside the Hub doesn't give you that option.

    30 DAY EMAIL

    I've heard of the 30 day Email limit although I'm not personally bothered by it. However, this is one heck of an OS limitation or bug. Probably the biggest, given that BlackBerry devices are pre-dominantly designed for business-people.

    These are some the biggest issues with the new Z10. Their the most biggest issues because they're the most simple to tackle. Why doesn't BlackBerry focus on issues like these instead of things like making word predictions appear in green instead of blue (which is coming in the next update). I mean, who really gives a **** about that?
    Wow!! ALL FALSE --- Are we using the same BlackBerry Z10?

    1. Call someone you're chatting with : In Hub, SMS, tap on the contact name on top and you are presented with all the options.

    If not a contact already, tap and hold with call option.

    2. Battery percentage: nothing major about this. After a while you understand the battery icon and can make a good estimate for yourself. This is not an engineering device and 50% or 53% doesn't matter.

    3. Rotation display : it's instant for me. Absolutely same as any other device. Other devices the screen rotates at the slightest angle which would be the flaw.

    4. Add contact from hub: long press on display name on top and add to contact from the menu overflow. Works everywhere in the hub.

    5. 30 day email: its being worked on. You can remote search or use the browser for previous emails.

    You could have simply asked these questions. Would request mod or op to clear the thread.

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    6. Search in Hub: works for everything besides phone calls. Good point and should be added in update.

    To search for SMS goto text messages from hub and search.
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    Wow, everything you said was incorrect. Guess your not used to all the gestures yet. To call someone from an SMS, you just touch their name, contact card, real simple! Also the search options are not limited at all, and can be adjusted at any time. See...
    Unforgivable Flaws/Bugs on the Z10 (IMHO)-img_00000086.png

    Also to say that this phone is slow is inaccurate. I find it to be very smooth and also have results to show it ..

    Unforgivable Flaws/Bugs on the Z10 (IMHO)-img_00000078.png

    30 day email will be fixed in a week or two, so no need to get upset. For a lot of people this is no big deal, but understand it needs to be addressed.

    I think you should spend some more time with this device before getting frustrated at nothing.

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    I think if you would have just asked for help you wouldn't be frustrated. Unless of course you didn't really want help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaygere View Post
    The Z10 has some "nasty" bugs or inconveniences that aren't bugs but are here to stay. Or, they could be flaws that can't be corrected due to OS limitations. Either way, if BlackBerry doesn't sort out these fairly simple but extremely crucial elements in their OS soon, customers will start going back to Android and iOS and leave BlackBerry out of business:

    CALL SOMEONE YOU'RE CHATTING WITH

    You don't have the option to call a contact from your messages. Remember how handy this feature used to be on Android? It's one of the most simplest of features and is a crime to not have it. On Android, if you were chatting with someone through SMS and then wanted to call that person all you would have to do is long-press the chat snippet and you'd be given lots and lots of options, one of them being CALL. I don't see that option on the Z10.

    SEARCH DOESN'T WORK FOR ANYTHING BESIDES EMAIL OR SOCIAL MEDIA. CAN'T SEARCH BY NAME.

    Hub: When you're in the hub and you want to search for a phone call you placed the other day, you want to type in the name of the person that you called and have that dialed number show up. What you get is "No entries in this view". Go ahead, please try it.

    Inbox: When you're in messages and you want to look up "that" SMS you sent Rachel the other night, you want to type in her name in the search bar and get some results! Sadly, you get nothing but "No entries in this view".

    BATTERY PERCENTAGE

    What? How excruciating would have it been for you to include this BlackBerry? And it seems it still won't be addressed with new 10.1 update.

    ROTATION DELAY

    Look how fast screen rotation works on the iOS or Android. Blackberry, please get these kind of things right the first time. It's annoying have to wait 4 seconds for the screen to change its orientation. No matter how new your device is, no, it shouldn't take 4 seconds to rotate the screen.

    CAN'T ADD CONTACT FROM THE HUB

    After using the Z10 for quite a while, I appreciate how important and valuable the Hub is for an average user like me. I find myself doing most things like messaging and calling from inside the Hub. In the world of smartphones, it is a "given" to be able to add a contact from long-pressing an unknown contact number from....ANYWHERE. However, inside the Hub, you are not allowed to add a contact to an unknown number even when you're inside the Calls section. Long-pressing a number inside the Hub doesn't give you that option.

    30 DAY EMAIL

    I've heard of the 30 day Email limit although I'm not personally bothered by it. However, this is one heck of an OS limitation or bug. Probably the biggest, given that BlackBerry devices are pre-dominantly designed for business-people.

    These are some the biggest issues with the new Z10. Their the most biggest issues because they're the most simple to tackle. Why doesn't BlackBerry focus on issues like these instead of things like making word predictions appear in green instead of blue (which is coming in the next update). I mean, who really gives a **** about that?
    I don't get the point of this thread, op. Everyone that actually owns a Z10 can tell that you don't own one, based on the unverified points you attempted to make. Do better homework next time.
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    Stop the thread, this guy has no clue!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ray689 View Post
    I think if you would have just asked for help you wouldn't be frustrated. Unless of course you didn't really want help.

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    They didn't want or ask for help...just another lazy troll that didn't RTFM...only came here (obviously at the behest of Android) to slag on the Z10. Unfortunately, people are starting to catch on and see through the false flaws being posted about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaygere View Post

    Hub: When you're in the hub and you want to search for a phone call you placed the other day, you want to type in the name of the person that you called and have that dialed number show up. What you get is "No entries in this view". Go ahead, please try it.
    Only valid point, this should be fixed. Thanks for bringing this only point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaygere View Post
    CALL SOMEONE YOU'RE CHATTING WITH

    You don't have the option to call a contact from your messages. Remember how handy this feature used to be on Android? It's one of the most simplest of features and is a crime to not have it. On Android, if you were chatting with someone through SMS and then wanted to call that person all you would have to do is long-press the chat snippet and you'd be given lots and lots of options, one of them being CALL. I don't see that option on the Z10.
    When you are in a text message chat, on the top there is a blue bar, on the left corner of that blue bar is a profile picture. Click on it and it will bring you to the person's contact where you can choose many other features to interact with that person including calling the person.

    Quote Originally Posted by jaygere View Post
    SEARCH DOESN'T WORK FOR ANYTHING BESIDES EMAIL OR SOCIAL MEDIA. CAN'T SEARCH BY NAME.

    Hub: When you're in the hub and you want to search for a phone call you placed the other day, you want to type in the name of the person that you called and have that dialed number show up. What you get is "No entries in this view". Go ahead, please try it.

    Inbox: When you're in messages and you want to look up "that" SMS you sent Rachel the other night, you want to type in her name in the search bar and get some results! Sadly, you get nothing but "No entries in this view".
    I know this doesn't answer your question, but wouldn't it be more efficient to scroll down by date instead of typing out the name? Maybe I am the only one that does that.


    Quote Originally Posted by jaygere View Post
    BATTERY PERCENTAGE

    What? How excruciating would have it been for you to include this BlackBerry? And it seems it still won't be addressed with new 10.1 update.
    Yes, I agree with you on this one, there should be an option for percentage.


    Quote Originally Posted by jaygere View Post
    ROTATION DELAY

    Look how fast screen rotation works on the iOS or Android. Blackberry, please get these kind of things right the first time. It's annoying have to wait 4 seconds for the screen to change its orientation. No matter how new your device is, no, it shouldn't take 4 seconds to rotate the screen.
    I just tested the Z10 side by side with my old iPhone. The iPhone wins the rotation test by maybe 2/10 of a second. I think we can both agree you can forgive BlackBerry for losing by 2/10 of a second? This could be because I am using 10.1 to test though...

    I'll upload you a video of the comparison if you want.


    Quote Originally Posted by jaygere View Post
    CAN'T ADD CONTACT FROM THE HUB

    After using the Z10 for quite a while, I appreciate how important and valuable the Hub is for an average user like me. I find myself doing most things like messaging and calling from inside the Hub. In the world of smartphones, it is a "given" to be able to add a contact from long-pressing an unknown contact number from....ANYWHERE. However, inside the Hub, you are not allowed to add a contact to an unknown number even when you're inside the Calls section. Long-pressing a number inside the Hub doesn't give you that option.
    I'm using the 10.1 OS now so I don't know if this is new or you can do this in the current official firmware:
    -In the Hub, long press the unknown number and the overflow window will appear
    -tap on "Add to Contact"
    -in the "Select Contact" page, you can choose an existing contact to add the unknown number
    -or you can choose the "New" icon at the bottom to create a new contact with the unknown number


    Quote Originally Posted by jaygere View Post
    30 DAY EMAIL

    I've heard of the 30 day Email limit although I'm not personally bothered by it. However, this is one heck of an OS limitation or bug. Probably the biggest, given that BlackBerry devices are pre-dominantly designed for business-people.

    These are some the biggest issues with the new Z10. Their the most biggest issues because they're the most simple to tackle. Why doesn't BlackBerry focus on issues like these instead of things like making word predictions appear in green instead of blue (which is coming in the next update). I mean, who really gives a **** about that?
    They have given a "Forever" option for ActiveSync in the 10.1 OS but it is not available for IMAP. Although I agree with you on this one, I personally think of the Hub as my notification area and not really my email application. If I want to do some real email work like search my gmail back 2 years ago for when I sent something to someone, I'm going to go to gmail.com to do that. But here is some light at the end of the tunnel...

    Michael Clewley: ActiveSync will be forever, IMAP 90 days. POP and IMAP will get forever in a summer update


    Anyways, I hope I gave you some answers to the current OS usage or hope for the 10.1 OS
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    my favorite part is the "limitations to the os"
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    Why would you need to search missed calls by name to make a phone call? If you know the name just call them with the search on the home screens.

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    I call this thread to be nothing but shenanigans.

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    Must be on that Crack... no Berry.

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    Its seems to me that every negative posting is from someone with like 16 posts? something smells fishy!!
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    Let's stop feeding the trolls

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    So where's the troll now? Too shame to even post something rather than accepting you're just bashing at z10 coz you're paid to do that? C'mon man, don't do that.
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