[omniusovermind]

Been going around reading about the Z10 and APN settings. Somehow Canadian carriers have managed to get BB to allow them to lock the APN settings on the Z10. Even if you buy an unlocked Z10, as soon as you stick a SIM card from a Canadian Carrier in it it automatically locks to that carrier's APN with no way to manually change it. According to UK customers, this doesn't happen to theirs. I'm so sick of carriers in this country, I hope the recent CRTC hearing into their numerous malpractices deals a heavy heavy blow to the Big 3 here.

[fragment137]

I couldn't agree more. Canadians get screwed with mobile carrier services... It's actually ridiculous and out of hand.

[hannibalmoot]

I just noticed this on my Z10...I bought mine on contract through Telus but looking at this screenshot, it looks as though the phone is unlocked. Or is that just how it shows up by default whether it's locked or not? I wouldn't think so but ya never know. I don't know how to test it without having a different sim to try.

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[chrispipe]

It's not unlocked. Network is still locked that's why you have that big unlock network button, otherwise all 3 areas would look like the bottom 2 do.

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[LordCrankypants]

So are you trying to say that even if you pay to unlock your phone, the minute you put in a SIM card for a different network, the phone gets locked again and you'll have to pay to have it unlocked again if you switch carriers?

JB

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[chrispipe]

No. Once it's unlocked, it stays unlocked . What gave you that impression?

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[sgt_snacks-64]

Don't have this issue on O2 in the UK
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[hannibalmoot]

It's not unlocked. Network is still locked that's why you have that big unlock network button, otherwise all 3 areas would look like the bottom 2 do.

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Ah, yes, that makes sense now. I was just looking at the bottom 2 and going by that. Thanks.

[LordCrankypants]

No. Once it's unlocked, it stays unlocked . What gave you that impression?

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Sorry, should have quoted the OP, it was in response that that.

JB

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[UMLD]

I absolutely agree that we get completely hosed by the carriers in Canada.

[si001]

regarding that CRTC hearing, what would they make the carrier change, and when?

[EauRouge]

Yeah I dont like the interference. But Im sticking with my carrier so it doesn't matter to me so much.

[semperfi45]

regarding that CRTC hearing, what would they make the carrier change, and when?

I would ask the CRTC to open up true competition. Not to fill their board with members of the three major phone companies. Support the consumer for a change. I want to see companies make a profit, but I believe there is a difference between making a profit and raping consumers.

[omniusovermind]

More nonsense. Now Sasktel wireless is withholding the latest z10 update from it's customers http://bit.ly/10YlkZQ

[dustmalik]

I think it's only a matter of time before other carriers around the world implement it over their network

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[webmeister]

I unlocked my Bell Mobility Z10 and took it on a recent trip to the Dominican Republic. As this is a phone which I purchased outright, I figured this was entirely within my rights. I popped a SIM from brightroam.com in it (they are a roaming specialist) and was roaming on Claro, one of the carriers down there. Checking the APN settings, I can verify that I was able to change them as they were not greyed out and I was able to edit the APN.

So...what's the takeaway? It simply means (and as has been reported in other threads on this topic) that Bell Mobility and some other carriers' SIM cards will cause the APN settings to be locked and not editable by their customers. I'm still not sure what the big woof is about this. Playing devil's advocate for a second, isn't it the prerogative of the service provider to keep their customers from fooling around with these settings and causing them support grief as they have to work customers through the settings to fix resulting data issues. It's easy to take the big bad <insert name of carrier here> argument and assume that they're trying to put the screws to the customer but I don't see it this way at all.

Now *IF* these settings were persistent even when another carrier's SIM is inserted in an unlocked phone I would be very concerned but my understanding is that this isn't the case. Certainly it wasn't in my experience. I believe the "blackberry.net" APN setting on the Bell Mobility Z10s simply allow Bell Mobility to meter and gather metrics about BlackBerry usage on their data networks.

[jstarett]

ATT and mine is greyed out as well

[QuantumQnx]

There are multiple threads on this issue. Bottom line : The "Phone " is not locked to apn by default, the settings are pushed by the carrier /sim. Each carrier has it's own settings.

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[Brickleberry]

It depends on the SIM card of the carrier. Rogers in Canada is grayed out. True network in Thailand is editable, that's my experience.

[deltact]

So just to clarify: On an unlocked Z10, APN settings might be locked to carrier A's settings if carrier A's SIM card is there. If carrier B's SIM card is inserted, the APN settings lock to carrier B's settings or become unlocked. Does this describe the situation properly?

[Carmels]

As someone has already mentioned, carrier's don't want you messing with the network settings of a phone you bought to be used on their network. Sure for the more experienced tech savee person this is a **** off. But think of all the support calls they'd have to deal with because some d-bag on this forum decided they wanted to try changing settings without understanding the repercussions of their actions. Personally, I bought my phone from Bell, I expect them to provide the service as well. Now some of you are having this data issue with plans because of the APN, I'm on a BES10 account so my situation is completely different. I hope that data issue gets resolved or an appropriate provisioned BIS plan is set in place in the meantime for you guys.

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[QuantumQnx]

So just to clarify: On an unlocked Z10, APN settings might be locked to carrier A's settings if carrier A's SIM card is there. If carrier B's SIM card is inserted, the APN settings lock to carrier B's settings or become unlocked. Does this describe the situation properly?

Exactly correct yes. There could be a software update that could address this in the future though.

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[omniusovermind]

As someone has already mentioned, carrier's don't want you messing with the network settings of a phone you bought to be used on their network. Sure for the more experienced tech savee person this is a **** off. But think of all the support calls they'd have to deal with because some d-bag on this forum decided they wanted to try changing settings without understanding the repercussions of their actions. Personally, I bought my phone from Bell, I expect them to provide the service as well. Now some of you are having this data issue with plans because of the APN, I'm on a BES10 account so my situation is completely different. I hope that data issue gets resolved or an appropriate provisioned BIS plan is set in place in the meantime for you guys.

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Pretty sure the z10 is the only phone on my carrier that I CAN'T manually change the APN.

[irwindersra]

It's funny how ppl start talking about the crtc and how they need to make all these changes, 99% of the changes they request are already in place, ppl are just to dumb to realize, everyone's big complaint is contracts, so providers stopped contracts and now do phone tabs, when at the end of the day it comes down to the same thing, carriers are recovering the hardware cost, if you want a 700$ device for free, you have to lock in for it, you don't want a term, shell out the money

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[neilwick]

If I'm using a SIM from a certain carrier, why would I not want to use the APN settings that they suggest? That's the thing I don't understand.

Can someone explain that to me?