[ralfyguy]

There was a thing going on the other day, I don't remember what state it was, where that state would pass a state law that allows ALL kinds of weapons, including the ones classified as assault rifles and no limit on the magazine capacity. What they said was that the law would prohibit a federal agent from enforcing an assault rifle ban and magazine capacity limitation.
They said that they would arrest such agent if he attempted to enforce it. Nice huh?

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[global14u]

Unfortunately the lack of private communication tools has denied people the right to true democracy and freedom of speech .
The limited free speech that Facebook and Twitter gave to the Arab Spring is now being effectively used by Turkey to throttle and terrorize it's own people's demand to be heard in decisions being made for public property and rights. No wonder the US and other governments have no comment to even support these guys who are putting their lives on the line for democracy.

Wish there was a tool that could help them make sure their voice can never be silemced. This thread is not just theoretical and futuristic, it's the line between success and defeat for Turkey now.

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[Yemson]

i've never understood the use of "clouds",,, who in their right mind keeps personal stuff, whether it be pics or pc backups, on a system not under your control??? people are idiots,,, tell them they need it & they THINK they do...

My thoughts exactly. But that's iCloud users for you, or any other cloud service user or Apple users for that matter. Everything is flocking to the use of a cloud, games, data, movies, etc. Their excuse, "It's better, you need it". The real deal: "We can access your personal information and dance the Tarantela with it, and there is nothing you can do about it. Fool".

[ralfyguy]

My thoughts exactly. But that's iCloud users for you, or any other cloud service user or Apple users for that matter. Everything is flocking to the use of a cloud, games, data, movies, etc. Their excuse, "It's better, you need it". The real deal: "We can access your personal information and dance the Tarantela with it, and there is nothing you can do about it. Fool".

Yeah and then you constantly blow data and waste it just because you won't store your stuff on the device. No wonder that there is no unlimited data anymore because of bandwidth waste like that. This whole concept is kinda hideous. With my data plan I could not afford to live off the cloud exclusively.

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[TheTigerTek]

Yup

Toronto Maple Leafs BBM Channel C0001D318

[WhiteSpir1t]

There was a thing going on the other day, I don't remember what state it was, where that state would pass a state law that allows ALL kinds of weapons, including the ones classified as assault rifles and no limit on the magazine capacity. What they said was that the law would prohibit a federal agent from enforcing an assault rifle ban and magazine capacity limitation.
They said that they would arrest such agent if he attempted to enforce it. Nice huh?

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It has always been like that. The federal government is subservient to state laws when it comes to the right to bear arms. There is no reason why it should be otherwise. Throughout history, everytime a federal or a nation's federal government makes a call to ban or takes effort to ban them, the result has always been deadly. Look at what the third reich of nazi Germany did...the people of nazi Germany turned in their own guns in good faith; Hitler's campaign ran with only words people wanted to hear; the put so much trust in him and his party. After all the guns were gone, his demeanor changed from, "you should trust us...we can provide protection for you...to "This is what you are going to do..."

[Bdot-1]

WRITE things down, pass it by hand, burn all the evidence. If Big Brother is watching, let us collectively blind him.

Did you just write that on the internet? Lol... Imagine crackberry a giant penpal organization

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[Schmidee]

This is why Tony Soprano always used a pay phone.

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[tw_]

It has always been like that. The federal government is subservient to state laws when it comes to the right to bear arms. There is no reason why it should be otherwise. Throughout history, everytime a federal or a nation's federal government makes a call to ban or takes effort to ban them, the result has always been deadly. Look at what the third reich of nazi Germany did...the people of nazi Germany turned in their own guns in good faith; Hitler's campaign ran with only words people wanted to hear; the put so much trust in him and his party. After all the guns were gone, his demeanor changed from, "you should trust us...we can provide protection for you...to "This is what you are going to do..."

Just as a side note:

When dicussing private gun ownership the Nazis are often invoked but they didn�t ban private gun ownership. In fact they relaxed gun restrictions. The back-story is that before the first world war under the Kaiser there was practically no regulation of private gun ownership in Germany. It was only totally banned by several laws between 1919 and 1923 after losing the war by the just proclaimed so called Weimar republic to comply with the demands of France and the UK in the treaty of Versailles. Also there was unrest in these years and several attempts to bring down the new republic by armed insurgents (communists and later Nazis) which were put down. This was the time when private guns had to be turned in. But in reality the laws didn't work well. Only a few guns were turned in and this was another one of the provisions of the treaty of Versailles which was used by the Nazis later successfully in their propaganda against the republic - which they called "traitors" who had complied with the demands of the enemies.

Then in 1928 a new law relaxed gun restrictions but required permits to own, sell, carry or manufacture firearms. In 1933 when the Nazis came into power they did not change gun laws initially. But later in 1938 they relaxed the laws further. Rifles and shotguns could be bought without permission. Permits were only required for handguns. The Nazis claimed that they believed in the concept of a so called national socialist "Volksgemeinschaft" (folk community) and that every German man should be allowed to carry arms just like the forefathers to be able to defend the country. But their real intention was to militarize the people and especially the youth in general to prepare them for war. While Jews, communists and other perceived enemies of the nation were not considered to be part of the "Volksgemeinschaft" almost every German teenager had to join the Hitler Youth and learn to use guns. Of course 30% to 40% of this generation died later in the war.

But I don't want to start a dicussion about gun ownership. Just thought I should set that straight because this is a popular misconception especially in the US.

[WhiteSpir1t]

Just as a side note:

When dicussing private gun ownership the Nazis are often invoked but they didn�t ban private gun ownership. In fact they relaxed gun restrictions. The back-story is that before the first world war under the Kaiser there was practically no regulation of private gun ownership in Germany. It was only totally banned by several laws between 1919 and 1923 after losing the war by the just proclaimed so called Weimar republic to comply with the demands of France and the UK in the treaty of Versailles. Also there was unrest in these years and several attempts to bring down the new republic by armed insurgents (communists and later Nazis) which were put down. This was the time when private guns had to be turned in. But in reality the laws didn't work well. Only a few guns were turned in and this was another one of the provisions of the treaty of Versailles which was used by the Nazis later successfully in their propaganda against the republic - which they called "traitors" who had complied with the demands of the enemies.

Then in 1928 a new law relaxed gun restrictions but required permits to own, sell, carry or manufacture firearms. In 1933 when the Nazis came into power they did not change gun laws initially. But later in 1938 they relaxed the laws further. Rifles and shotguns could be bought without permission. Permits were only required for handguns. The Nazis claimed that they believed in the concept of a so called national socialist "Volksgemeinschaft" (folk community) and that every German man should be allowed to carry arms just like the forefathers to be able to defend the country. But their real intention was to militarize the people and especially the youth in general to prepare them for war. While Jews, communists and other perceived enemies of the nation were not considered to be part of the "Volksgemeinschaft" almost every German teenager had to join the Hitler Youth and learn to use guns. Of course 30% to 40% of this generation died later in the war.

But I don't want to start a dicussion about gun ownership. Just thought I should set that straight because this is a popular misconception especially in the US.

Spoken like a professor though everything we learn in school is not always the truth. Where do you hail from?

[Jamez Avila]

I posted about a new app I heard on the news yesterday. It's called Seecrypt. Free three month trial and uses wifi to make calls and encrypts and scrubs the data at the end of the call. But both users have to be using the app.
That would be the only way to keep from having a phone company log your calls. With that Seecrypt app, calls are not logged bcuz the app is using the data plan not cellular.
I downloaded it for my spare iPhone but the dev responded and said they are working on the BlackBerry App.

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[tw_]

Spoken like a professor though everything we learn in school is not always the truth. Where do you hail from?

Germany

[WhiteSpir1t]

Germany

Your English is really good. I've always liked hearing Germans speak since it sounds so similar.

[alieannie]

This isn't a "new scandal". This permission to harvest communication trends was introduced in the Patriot Act back in the Bush Administration and has been re voted and renewed by Congress TWICE in the past 10 years. How is this news now??

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I know. I don't know why everyone is flipping out now. They should have gotten upset ten years ago

[kiteflier]

Explain how a warrant will get into your messages with pgp. There has never ever been a case where the encryption has been cracked in any legal case. Prove otherwise. I'd like to see it

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Warrants and court orders can require you to give up your passwords and encryption keys. I'm not saying that it is right, just that it happens. You can refuse if you like jail food.

[gariac]

Unfortunately the discussion wandered away from Blackberry security. I had a discussion with someone within Blackberry after the Mumbai event. I am told there is no way for blackberry to decode messages for anyone based on how the system is designed. What they can do is provide meta data specific to Blackberry users, something the cellular providers can't do. Actually let me restate that more clearly:. Blackberry does give them the meta data.

Every time the story comes up about Blackberry encryption being broken, I never see the scheme spelled out let alone diagrammed.

Note that on your phone you have PIN and BBM. However most internet discussions treat them as equivalent. Clearly once BBM is open to the world, they will be very different things.

If you had to rank which phone company is most in bed with the US government, it would have to be Verizon. However Verizon wireless is is a joint venture of Vodaphone and Verizon, so it is not really Verizon per se.. Verizon does a lot of backhaul data services for the feds. It is cheaper than the feds setting up their own networks, and the data is encrypted anyway. If you go through the FCC database, there are plenty of Verizon microwave sites on military and federal installations.

If you want the network with the least US government involvement, that would be T-mobile.

While I'm at it, for those not on BES, the only secure email is that to your blackberry email. All bets are off if you are relaying the messages to your ISP email or other hosting company. If you use TLS on your email (and you should) to your ISP, I believe the only secure channel is between the phone and the email server, but the email itself is in the clear on the server. Now perhaps if you run your own email server, then your non-Blackberry email is secure. I think so, but need to meditate a bit more on that. Of course, the feds could bust down your door and steal the server, which does happen. If you ever watched a FBI bust or know someone who was raided by the FBI, then you know they take everything. Mouse, monitor. It defies all logic.

[WhiteSpir1t]

Explain how a warrant will get into your messages with pgp. There has never ever been a case where the encryption has been cracked in any legal case. Prove otherwise. I'd like to see it

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I don't know about PGP, but it has been said that the only OS that can't be broken onto by the US Government's NSA is OpenBSD. If they want they can gain access remotely any system, but the only way with OpenBSD, is to break into your apartment and take your machine.

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[tw1g_007]

Man I wish I could change the topic title lol. Apparently BlackBerry isn't safe from US government intrusion since the Canadian government are in bed with them. Pretty sad to think the world has come to this.

I guess if Canada refused to cooperate for some reason, the US is more than capable of turning it into an iraqi war zone. Canada fears such retaliation and have to bend over.

The strong rule eh?

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[gariac]

I don't know about PGP, but it has been said that the only OS that can't be broken onto by the US Government's NSA is OpenBSD. If they want they can gain access remotely any system, but the only way with OpenBSD, is to break into your apartment and take your machine.

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I really don't see why that particular flavor of BSD is any more secure than any other BSD or linux for that matter. REL, Suse, etc are all open source so they don't have back doors.

Regarding my post about mail going directly to the phone, I forgot that with BB10 you lose that blackberry email account that only goes to the phone.

And again, it isn't clear that Blackberry email security has been broken. Remember, the feds use the same OS. Now it is clear that Blackberry will supply meta data, at least for India and other countries that complained.

I think people have jumped to conclusions.

[WhiteSpir1t]

I really don't see why that particular flavor of BSD is any more secure than any other BSD or linux for that matter. REL, Suse, etc are all open source so they don't have back doors.

Regarding my post about mail going directly to the phone, I forgot that with BB10 you lose that blackberry email account that only goes to the phone.

And again, it isn't clear that Blackberry email security has been broken. Remember, the feds use the same OS. Now it is clear that Blackberry will supply meta data, at least for India and other countries that complained.

I think people have jumped to conclusions.

I don't think I could quite agree to the last part of that statement about the FEDs using the same OS so thus, it's safe. There is a saying that from within the government, the right hand doesn't know the left hand is doing.

There is a reason why software with high encryption algorithms, developed in the US, cannot be exported. I would tend to believe that the bureaucracy, most experienced in encryption, has the resource and is capable of breaking anything that's currently out there. I can't recall the article I had come across about it, but the points made in it were compelling, especially when they detailed what the higher echelon of the US Govt were already capable of in the 60's.

[gariac]

I don't think I could quite agree to the last part of that statement about the FEDs using the same OS so thus, it's safe. There is a saying that from within the government, the right hand doesn't know the left hand is doing.

There is a reason why software with high encryption algorithms, developed in the US, cannot be exported. I would tend to believe that the bureaucracy, most experienced in encryption, has the resource and is capable of breaking anything that's currently out there. I can't recall the article I had come across about it, but the points made in it were compelling, especially when they detailed what the higher echelon of the US Govt were already capable of in the 60's.

The vast majority of export limitations of encryption have been dropped in 2010. You would have to research further, but I believe that was related to software based encryption. I think high speed hardware encryption still has limitations, though to be honest, in the days of FPGA, the restrictions on hardware are not very effect.

The problem with software encryption export restrictions is it wasn't very hard to get around the them. I mean, we are talking about trying to lock up bits, and bits flow freely these days. Hardware has to go to a black market.

Back to linux, the SE features were added by the NSA. ;-)

Regarding government blackberries, there are hacked versions for extra security. One hack is the USB port can only be used for charging. You'd have to trawl the internet to see the variations. I know some carries will see versions without cameras.

[neeeko]

Pgp is backdoored like most crypto tools.

As for OpenBSD think again : http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/...rs-may-be-true

[Berry_10]

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[WhiteSpir1t]

The vast majority of export limitations of encryption have been dropped in 2010. You would have to research further, but I believe that was related to software based encryption. I think high speed hardware encryption still has limitations, though to be honest, in the days of FPGA, the restrictions on hardware are not very effect.

The problem with software encryption export restrictions is it wasn't very hard to get around the them. I mean, we are talking about trying to lock up bits, and bits flow freely these days. Hardware has to go to a black market.

Back to linux, the SE features were added by the NSA. ;-)

Regarding government blackberries, there are hacked versions for extra security. One hack is the USB port can only be used for charging. You'd have to trawl the internet to see the variations. I know some carries will see versions without cameras.

Oh yes, that's not surprising. The Patriot Act would have superceded those regulations.

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[gariac]

Except other countries can use the same browsers with strong crypto since the export limitations were dropped. The problem was organized crime could break the weak crypto, and the criminals used the secure crypto anyway.

U. S. Bureau of Industry and Security - Encryption

And the evidence that PGP has a back door? It is easy to just spout stuff, but proof is another story.