- 02-02-13, 12:16 AM #101
- CrackBerry Abuser
02-02-13, 12:55 AM #102
- 251 Posts
Thought about this one, maybe BBRY just needs to change the defaults so the camera can have its best foot forward, regular people not on Crackberry are not going to spend time comparing shots and testing different settings before they decide on a device.
The one of the 9900 isn't modified at all, other than CrackBerry's compression to 800px.
xiaohuaxing, no changes in settings per se, though I obviously changed my angle and distance (trying to match yours more closely) and both times I did drag the focus square a bit off-centre. This has the effect not only of moving where the focus point is (obviously) but also results in the exposure algorithm being run on the selected region, and both are then locked (as I understand it). Possibly slight differences in the exposure between the two resulted from that, and explain the color differences. May also just be the angle and the light? But I was only a few inches away from the first position... don't have experience enough with this stuff to theorize more.
I expect we will see changes in a future release to improve any areas that truly are showing up as weaknesses, whatever they may be.
- 02-02-13, 01:23 AM #104
- 02-02-13, 05:12 AM #105
not sure if someone mentioned this already (i only looked at the 1st and last page of this thread) but there is a huge z10 review by crackberry kevin on the home page of this site and he shows several pics taken with the z10 and comparing it to the lumia,iphone5,and Gs3...maybe he didn't adjust any settings at the time but the z10's pics weren't all that great on most test shots...personally, i will only have my 9700 to compare it to so i'm sure they will look great to me when i get it in March. ;p
- 02-02-13, 12:40 PM #108
- 02-02-13, 01:11 PM #111
- 02-02-13, 02:32 PM #113
One thing I noticed on the Giz review is that they said they were taking shots with the volume up and down buttons. On the PB that is a screen shot is it now diffeent on the Z10 (BB OS10 devies)? Aren't screen shots a lower quality than actual camera images?
- 02-02-13, 02:33 PM #114
- 02-02-13, 02:40 PM #115
- 02-02-13, 07:50 PM #119
hi guys, the one thing i miss about my 9700 is its ability to take very good macro shots. i am talking about macro shots that shows the detail of the dial of a watch (my fave target/model). with the the 9900, i lost this feature. can anyone share some macro shots of watches showing its dials?
- 02-02-13, 08:11 PM #120
And the whole argument about carrying around a DSLR if you want good pictures sounds cute, but is pretty dumb. There's a reason why manufacturers like Apple, Nokia, Sony, HTC, and Samsung have been working so hard to improve their camera phone optics and performance. It's important. I did a lot of traveling and seen an extreme amount of smartphones getting used, a few DSLRs, and a few more point and shoots. The number of people using their smartphone cameras liberally was easily 15-20x that of DSLR users and maybe 8x that of Point and Shoot camera users.
Welcome to early 2012. Better late than never...
- 02-02-13, 08:14 PM #121
Go to an AT&T store, play with the Lumia 920s camera and then email the image samples to yourself. I've done it. That's more useful than listening to useless speculation and how someone thinks the images look on a probably low resolution display. That phone has the best image quality short of the N8 and Pureview on a smartphone, and it's low light and video stabilization (OIS) performance simply cannot by touched by anything (smartphone) on the market right now, except maybe a better NOKIA camera phone.
Why RIM thought it was fine to not have an on screen camera shutter with tap to focus is beyond me. What a usability fail.
- Dragon Slayer
02-02-13, 10:33 PM #122
- 10,816 Posts
The low-light issue that the camera seems to have probably can't be significantly improved with a software update, but like so many other things, people often fixate on specific details that are only a tiny component of the big picture. I used to sell home electronics at retail and it is often quite mind-boggling how people often make dumb decisions about products based on trivial nonsense, solely because they convince themselves that the trivial nonsense is all-important.
Now if a person considers one of the primary purposes of their smartphone to be photography indoors without flash, then they'd be stupid not to buy a Lumia 920 because it definitely has the best camera in the market for that kind of thing. But then again, they'd have to buy a stupid Windows Phone to get that. (I hear Sony is planning some new smartphones with very good camera capabilities but I'm not sure they're available or even announced yet.)
But when a company chooses what components to build into a product like a smartphone, if they spend a bundle on a very fancy image sensor and related electronics, not only does that take away from the quality of parts they can use elsewhere (at that price point), it also very likely reduces the battery life to run the fancy image-processing chip necessary to get the highest-quality images from the chip.
All just a matter of tradeoffs. But people can't seem to resist the temptation to glom-onto one characteristic and proclaim some product "broken" because it doesn't measure up to the best in the market in every single area. Considering that the Z10 (and presumably Q10) cameras are probably in most respects better than previous Blackberries, and considering all the other goodies we get in BB10, I'm willing to give up state-of-the-art low-light performance, especially since I have dedicated cameras I can use for that.
- CrackBerry Abuser
02-02-13, 11:19 PM #123
- 180 Posts
The limit is apparently around 10cm (4") which I also discovered while taking those shots. Any closer and you'll be unable to focus well.
If I had a watch with a dial I'd take a picture of it for you, but I'm sure that photo will tell you what you need. Close-up ability is quite good.
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