- 02-03-13, 04:40 PM #77
Profissinal'm not shooting but never saw a phone motorola, lg or blackberry take pictures like that of an iphone 4s even after 300 update softaware
Was so easy so make a good camera .. sony, nokia, samsung and apple would not spend billions in research and quality components.
Put a hardware bum and then solved problems only with software update.
- CrackBerry Addict
02-03-13, 04:46 PM #78
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You have a 9 billion company competing with 500 billion company, are you really expecting the Z10 being better in every single aspect that you can think of?
No one will buy the Z10 for the camera, they are buying for the OS.
- CrackBerry Addict
02-03-13, 04:55 PM #79
- 682 Posts
It is considered good camera. For me, that is good enough. The winning point for BB, is UX. Time shift is interesting, the integrated photo editor is interesting too. Somehow, like Nintendo products:. User experience sets apart from the rest (yes, i have a 3DS, Wii, WiiU and a dusty PS3)!
If you want good pictures, get a good camera... Leica, Nikon, Canon, Sony alfa series, etc. Sorry for being so stubern, but for me everything else is just FB quality.
- 02-03-13, 05:04 PM #80
I cannot believe that anyone would make a case for mediocrity when a precedent has been set for excellence. If a Lumia can take the pics it takes, so can a BB.
- 02-03-13, 05:09 PM #81
I am not about to carry my dslr everywhere I go, but I do carry my phones everywhere I go. And there are times when, getting out of the Metro in DC, I see an opportunity for a picture of the Capitol building....why should I miss that shot? All those effects and editing opportunities cannot make up for a mediocre picture. A pig with lipstick is still a pig.
- CrackBerry Addict
02-03-13, 05:32 PM #85
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From what i have read, the complains are with bad Light conditions. Perhaps in most other conditions , Z10 has 'print' quality. Anyone has printed Z10 photos?
- 02-03-13, 05:37 PM #86
This was one of the dumbest threads I have ever read. Hey I took a few pictures and they look different. Yup, are the settings the same? Umm, well, no. Did it not strike anyone as funny that the iphone 5 picture with flash is actually darker than the one without? Seems a bit wierd, don't you think?
- CrackBerry Abuser
02-03-13, 05:45 PM #87
- 111 Posts
these responses are absurd. seemingly a great number of respondents say that a great picture is necessary. if pictures are THAT important, buy a damn camera that takes great pictures. because before the first mobile phone to offer a camera was available, NO one complained about what they didn't have. all of a sudden, you cannot live without a phone that doesn't take print worthy pictures. WTF?!?!?!? SERIOUSLY?!?!?!?!? apparently the problem doesn't lie with the Z10's inability to take editorial type pictures (matter of opinion), it lies with most of you LOOKING for a reason NOT to like the phone. I guarantee if it's NOT the camera, it WILL be something else. and since that's the case, please go back to the Lumia, iphone, or whatever else it is that takes these magnificent pictures you so desperately need, yet fail to give you in most other aspects of a "smart" phone. and if you're a die hard BB fan like some of you claim (or at least that's what your actions say by being a part of the Crackberry community), wait to see what the company will do with the phone and it's camera. and if you're tired of waiting, go to a company that doesn't make you wait. I'm so tired of people nit picking the damn phone. IT'S A PHONE!!!!!!!!! it's not your lover. it doesn't make you breakfast in the morning or f**k you when you're horny. IT'S A PHONE!!!!! a man made, infallible device. if you don't want to invest your hard earned money in the product due to it's lack of all things perfect, DESIGN AND MANUFACTURE YOUR OWN!!!!! NOTHING, and I assure you, NOTHING in this world will EVER meet 100% of your needs...and that includes the Z10 and it's "sub-par" camera. someone even said they don't want to carry around a camera, even though pictures are their "priority". well how about this...you carry a purse don't you? stick the damn CAMERA, along with the PHONE, in your purse. everything else is in there, right?
btw...the camera comment wasn't just geared toward women, it includes the men that are complaining about the phone as well. this s**t is ridiculous.
- 02-03-13, 05:48 PM #88
I can't wait for the phone. I'm hoping the substandard pictures are aberrations and not true to the device's capabilities.
- 02-03-13, 05:52 PM #89
Let me point one out.....since other manufacturers have set a precedent for excellent cameras in their phones, BB should do the same. This, along with other features in today's flaship phones, are functionalities that BB must meet and excel in order to stay competitive and take back the one milion subscribers it lost last quarter.
- 02-03-13, 05:54 PM #90
BB fans always had apologized. Before saying that camera or web browser was not essential for a corporate product. (As an entrepreneur did not matter of taking good quality pictures .. or even have a decent internet browsing).
Now that Blackberry makes a product to compete with Aple, android and Co. ... what's the excuse?
A message for the osuarios a company that defends its deficiency. Mr. doing evil for this company.
There are people who pretend not to call evolution.
But these are people who said that was unnecessary ... dual core dual core use today and tomorrow will want a quad core.
The same people who said they would not need a camera better than blackberry curve ... today we find that one crappy camera.
If the world had only People who like mediocrity, today we would not have to evolution.
'd Be using today flip phone with 1MP .... tv .... TUBE video cassette .... Pentium 386 and dial-up Internet.
- 02-03-13, 06:01 PM #91
- 02-03-13, 06:05 PM #93
I agree....it's not rocket science. The pictures that I have seen on this thread of the Z10 are inferior to the pictures I have seen of the iPhone. To try to guess as to why is irrelevant. Only the OP knows the settings used, and I'm not going to second guess.
- 02-03-13, 06:06 PM #94
Additionally, the iPhone pictures are larger because Apple doesn't compress their images as much. JPEG is a compressed format. RIM may compress their images more than Apple and Samsung and HTC. That also affects image quality, BTW.
- CrackBerry Abuser
02-03-13, 06:08 PM #95
- 111 Posts
and you REALLY believe a camera will accomplish that? again...if a camera is THAT important, buy one. this thread was about a phones' camera not measuring up to another phones' camera. what other nuances were to be missed? just because the responses to the thread veered in another direction doesn't mean my comment missed the mark. a camera is merely ONE aspect of the phone. if yours, or anyone else's for that matter, cons list outweighs the pros list...then this is not the phone for you or them. btw...perhaps the other phone companies that have managed to "perfect" their cameras is a good explanation as to why they've failed to "perfect" anything else about their platforms, except being simple
- 02-03-13, 06:14 PM #97
This thread is a comparison of pictures taken with two different phones. The response from people who feel the camera is good enough is to buy a camera. This misses the point that flagship devices with whom BB is competing have superior cameras. I am making the argument that BB needs to match or excel those cameras.
And I will decide for myself what is the proper phone for me. But more to the point....BB should give no consumer any reason to choose another phone. And they did.
- 02-03-13, 06:17 PM #98
All have better camera phones than the Z10 and all their phones run OSes with better ecosystems than Blackberry's. It's just one more bulletpoint where another device is better. It's one thing to have the OS need some work, but when you cripple it with hardware that is inferior to another device (especially something as critical as the camera, and yes the camera is critical to a metric ton of users) you start marketing the competition's device by extension.
What would you say if Apple or Samsung (or HTC, Sony, or Nokia) made a commercial displaying how superior their camera was, using the Z10 as an example of an inferior device and aired it during the Super Bowl? Would you just tell them they were holding the camera wrong or had grease on the lense (like someone suggested in another thread, laughably)?
- 02-03-13, 06:18 PM #99
The iPhone photos clearly looks better in all the sets you posted, in MHO. The Z10 photos look soft, grainy and muddy. The whites are not white and the blacks are not black. So far I'm very disappointed with the quality of Z10 photos I have seen posted on this website, but then again, it's a smart phone and not a smart camera. For quality photos I always count on my trusty cameras.
- 02-03-13, 06:19 PM #100
Also that stuff with Scalado that RIM was working on... Nokia bought Scalado as well, so they'll likely have to do much of that themselves once that existing deal runs out.
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