[Sadsfan]

<Rant Mode On> Since the launch of the Z10, I've been watching with interest the comments on this Site and I'm staggered by what some people are saying. I've read about people returning their Z10`so etc and I'd love to be in a room with them so I could give them a Glasgow Kiss.

BlackBerry give us the best touch screen phone they've ever done by a mile and all we hear is moaning. Everything in the world that is good takes time, and is never perfect but it seems that patience, trust and support to is sadly lacking amongst posters on here. If BlackBerry had got everything right in the first version of BB10 then they would have been unique in the world to get something right first time. An OS is a process, an evolution something that is honed over time to become better and better, unfortunately some posters on here seem to forget that and expect a miracle - some was on here calling the OS half-baked! Unbelievable!

What galls me even more is that caveat that people attach to their posts such as: I'm a long time blackberry user; I used to love blackberry or I want blackberry to succeed etc etc. Well, all you want is to have a moan about blackberry, the company I love and that hurts me. If those people really meant those caveats they would be helping to improve bb10 by offering solutions to problems and being constructive in their criticism.

So in summing up, if you want to moan about bb10, do it somewhere else because you're getting right on my nerves. <rant mode off>

[Masahiro]

I've seen this thread before in the theaters. It ends tragically.

[Josh Brolin]

K sorry i guess paying 732 for the phone on launch day and having it fail on numerous occasions is my fault. Sorry to the op, let me get my ios android handbook out. Zomg bb10 is amazing wicked everyone should buy , it is the best phone. Blackberry really knocked this one out of the park

[Chaddface]

Zomg bb10 is amazing wicked

Shouldn't it be wicked amazing? Not amazing wicked?
Just trying to stay in touch with the youth.

[Lendo78]

Shouldn't it be wicked amazing? Not amazing wicked?
Just trying to stay in touch with the youth.

[stevepar]

I'm totally enjoying mine, and will be patient for the next OS update to add or fix a few missing things.

good things come to those that wait

#BB10Believe

[siausin]

Agreed with the OP. And these people called themselves loyal BlackBerry fans.

In China, loyal BlackBerry fans help each other porting android apps. Why? Because there isn't any Chinese apps in BlackBerry World. We support each other a lot more than bickering about little usage issues. We are rocking our Z10. we feel proud taking out our Z10 in a sea of iphones and android users around us.

We have a massive base of all ready to use Chinese android bar files posted on China BlackBerry fan sites. Most of these android ports work really okay. Some are really good. Until native Chinese apps start storming into BlackBerry World, this is our best path. Please excuse us if you think we are a bunch of people who disrespect IP. But hey we did pay a premium to BlackBerry in buying our Z10.







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[DannySmurf]

K sorry i guess paying 732 for the phone on launch day and having it fail on numerous occasions is my fault.

No one said that, but you shouldn't expect perfection at this early stage in a platform's existence. People forget, but the first iPhone and the iPhone 3G weren't peaches by any means. They were slow and crashy, with bugs all over the place. The app selection was pathetic (once you could download apps at all, that is). You couldn't even set a wallpaper. AND it was just as expensive. A few software updates later, things got better.

Ditto Android. The first SEVERAL versions of Android were just awful. A few versions later, it got better. Granted, you can rarely upgrade an Android phone, but that's more a carrier issue. Do I even need to talk about the first version of Windows phone 7?

Z10/BB10 isn't perfect. It will get better over time, but for the first gen of a new platform, it's already much better than any of the others were.

[Josh Brolin]

I had an iphone on day one back in 2007. And to this date its the one and only time i was 100% blown away by a phone, or any electronic deivce for that matter. because i had never experienced a phone like that. I dont recall the issues i had with it because memories tend to be better as time goes on. I think maybe i expected too much from bbry. But there is a big difference, apple had never made a phone before and bbry has been doing this for over a decade. Bbry also made specific promises which it has not delivered on. If i was so disloyal I could have sold my z10 for almost double the day i got it, but i decided to wait it out . With lack of apps. And the phone crashing and today bbm crashing it seems like deja vu.

[Lendo78]

I had an iphone on day one back in 2007. And to this date its the one and only time i was 100% blown away by a phone, or any electronic deivce for that matter. because i had never experienced a phone like that. I dont recall the issues i had with it because memories tend to be better as time goes on. I think maybe i expected too much from bbry. But there is a big difference, apple had never made a phone before and bbry has been doing this for over a decade. Bbry also made specific promises which it has not delivered on. If i was so disloyal I could have sold my z10 for almost double the day i got it, but i decided to wait it out . With lack of apps. And the phone crashing and today bbm crashing it seems like deja vu.

Blackberry has never made a phone like this before, and it's light years ahead of the last phone they release.

[DannySmurf]

I had an iphone on day one back in 2007. And to this date its the one and only time i was 100% blown away by a phone, or any electronic deivce for that matter. because i had never experienced a phone like that. I dont recall the issues i had with it because memories tend to be better as time goes on. I think maybe i expected too much from bbry. But there is a big difference, apple had never made a phone before and bbry has been doing this for over a decade. Bbry also made specific promises which it has not delivered on. If i was so disloyal I could have sold my z10 for almost double the day i got it, but i decided to wait it out . With lack of apps. And the phone crashing and today bbm crashing it seems like deja vu.

And if you were on an iPhone you'd have had several iMessage outages over the past couple of months instead of BBM problems, your phone taking down your exchange server because of that lovely little flaw Apple only just fixed, etc, etc. There are always issues.

Yes, blackberry has been doing this a long time. But this is still a new OS. There will be problems. Apple has been making Mac OS longer than a decade, but every new version brings new problems, weirdness and flaws, despite their expertise in that area. Those get fixed over time too.

I'm not sure what promises you think BlackBerry made, but you seem like you're expecting nothing but sunshine and lolly pops. That's just not going to happen.

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[jon4400]

No one said that, but you shouldn't expect perfection at this early stage in a platform's existence. People forget, but the first iPhone and the iPhone 3G weren't peaches by any means. They were slow and crashy, with bugs all over the place. The app selection was pathetic (once you could download apps at all, that is). You couldn't even set a wallpaper. AND it was just as expensive. A few software updates later, things got better.

Ditto Android. The first SEVERAL versions of Android were just awful. A few versions later, it got better. Granted, you can rarely upgrade an Android phone, but that's more a carrier issue. Do I even need to talk about the first version of Windows phone 7?

Z10/BB10 isn't perfect. It will get better over time, but for the first gen of a new platform, it's already much better than any of the others were.

Can we just stop comparing BB10 to the first batch of IOS and Android? Seriously it's degradeful. I understand that this OS is new but still it shouldn't keep us (BB consumers) from having high exceptations. Us being too content with their previous offerings OS5-OS7 got RIM to where it's at! My point being, with new management paying much more attention to the needs of its public, we should embrace open criticism for BB10 to be successful.

[tte404]

It's funny that there's all this whining and crying about the Z10 crashing all the time, lack of apps, BlackBerry's short comings, and general hate of the device in these forums. My wife and I have had the device since February 5, when the phones finally came in, in our local carrier. Since then, I've restarted the device 4 times, some issues with Neutron and I wanted to see if it would help if I rebooted the device. Zero crashes, I have yet to see this device fail, except when using Android ports, then all that happens is the runtime window closes not affecting the performance of the device at all.
There was a learning curve, coming from a Torch 9860, but now it's all second nature and I wonder now, how I got along without the HUB before.
Everyone I show the device to, loves it and wishes they would have waited when they just bought their prior phone.
This device is a power house and I've proved it on various occasions with my Android buddies, pitting my Z10 against their Samsung Galaxy S3 and Note 2. I can do more with my phone, multi-tasking as easy as on a PC, but, of course, it comes down to apps.
This is the main cry that I read on these forums day in, day out and it gets redundant. There's only so many threads that one can make about Instagram, What's App, and NetFlix. I have What's App on my device, but she can't use it as it doesn't recognize the address book. I use NetFlix with PlayOn, I can watch the same movies and stream as fast if not faster than the Native Android app. My buddy with the Note 2 was it was amazing how clear it was; for some reason his Note 2 looks washed out color-wise, and it's brand new.
Every brand out there has their short-comings, BlackBerry too. But, this version 1 device has rocked the world and has made everyone aware that there are better alternatives to the aging, uninspired iPhone, and the unsecure, spastic Android OS. Where's Android going to be in terms of domination when Samsung finally decides to port their devices to WP8 and Tizen? What's going to happen when FireFox releases their Mobile OS? The Market share for both Android and iPhone are dropping and it's not just because of BlackBerry 10, it's because users are finally opening their eyes to how inadequate their Mobile OS's are. Apple is talking about a ground - up re-write of iOS (rumored), Android is trudging along with the same hashed and re-hashed aging OS with Key Lime Pie, how different is it going to be? I don't think it matters as the Android mentality is based on hardware specs, not the software that runs it.
QNX Neutrino RTOS is the Mobile OS of the future, trolls here see that, iPhone and Android sympathizer reviewers see that, and Google and Apple see it... what's the best way to debunk something as pure as BlackBerry 10, find any and all short-comings of the initial release of the OS and pass it around, build the hate, build the lie, build the misconception. The most informed buyer is the person that goes out for them selves and tries whatever they're buying. If I listened to those around me, assuring me of how great their devices are, I wouldn't be here right now... I'd be in Android Central, breeding the hate of this mysterious new Mobile OS or I'd be of at iMore, doing less and video droning to whatever Apple tells me what to buy and do.
It's time for a fresh look at all this, take a step back, breathe, and look at BlackBerry 10 again. BlackBerry Users Do More...
I'm all ranted out and it's late. Fight nice but remember, respect the person's house you're visiting.

[SEAWARRIOR]

No one said that, but you shouldn't expect perfection at this early stage in a platform's existence. People forget, but the first iPhone and the iPhone 3G weren't peaches by any means. They were slow and crashy, with bugs all over the place. The app selection was pathetic (once you could download apps at all, that is). You couldn't even set a wallpaper. AND it was just as expensive. A few software updates later, things got better.

Ditto Android. The first SEVERAL versions of Android were just awful. A few versions later, it got better. Granted, you can rarely upgrade an Android phone, but that's more a carrier issue. Do I even need to talk about the first version of Windows phone 7?

Z10/BB10 isn't perfect. It will get better over time, but for the first gen of a new platform, it's already much better than any of the others were.

this, in a nutshell is what's wrong w/ the state of production of any product anywhere,,, companies put out a half-assed attempt & expect us to feel that this is ok, the norm,,, this is a catastrophy,,, i personally expect a high degree of effeciency, expertise & craftsmanship in everything i do, & i do exactly that,,, i expect no less from someone who provides me a service or a product,,, i, like most, bust my *** for my money, & when i spend it, i better get a good product or service, whether it be cars, tv's, toothpicks or phones,,, the prices they're charging for these things DEMANDS a QUALITY product,,, expecting anything less from BlackBerry, or anyone else, is foolish,,, & to tell others to have the same feeble expectations is ridiculous,,, i see no need to go off the deep end, pro or con, either,,, these are material things,,, feverish schitzoid rants & fawning psychophantic raves,("this BB/Z10 sucks, i'm gonna take this thing back & get run over by a bus on my way just to smash it to pieces", or "BB/Z10 is the greatest thing since the invention of internet porn"), have no real constructive outcome,,, we should expect more from them & ourselves,,, yes, there will be bugs & quirks but put out the best product possible to remove any doubts or reasons...

[SEAWARRIOR]

Blackberry has never made a phone like this before, and it's light years ahead of the last phone they release.

& on par w/ everything else,,, some very cool unique features, but it's not going to keep the competition @ bay for long...

[koolpep]

Please be critical. Yes we all love Blackberry but what's the point being in a form where everyone is just praising the BB and everyone else who is a bit critical will be shot down.

That is exactly what pisses me off in "fanboy" forums. The slightest criticism and you are being seen as a traitor. WTF. Guys, be open minded, it's a bloody phone, nothing more.

I like my Blackberry and I hope it gets lots of traction, I am certainly doing what I can to promote it, but there are a few things they really need to fix in the next few FW updates.

So long,
K

[Emu the Foo]

Yeah I don't like all those people

[Amit Oberoi]

Op u have put in words what was in my thoughts, great.

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[tubbyandtattooed]

I love the Z10 its a great phone. Yeah it does have a couple of problems but nothing major I'm my opinion.

The guys that are openly bashing it must have very very high standards (these people will never be happy) to make a BlackBerry that works 100% for every customer is impossible as we all use them different.

I can see why the OP posted the topic my self as it seems the trolls don't really care if BlackBerry lives or dies they just want to kick a hornet nest lol.


Remember guys its only a phone lol *braces for bashings*



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[jdhooghe]

Crackberry: where you critisize and make fun of the so-called iSheep who enjoy using Apple products yet worship everything thing Blackberry. Crackberry: where people aren't allowed to have opinions other than "the device is great." Crackberry: where you own a Blackberry device since 2007 yet you are qualified to make opinions of other devices. Crackberry: where even die-hard users who've used the devices since Blackberry's inception are wrong if they are disgruntled that qualities that made Blackberries great are no longer present and are "trolls."

Hypocritical. Ignorant and most of all fanatical. Sounds like religion and I absolutely abhor religion.

[koolpep]

Exactly this!!

[jdhooghe]

It's funny that there's all this whining and crying about the Z10 crashing all the time, lack of apps, BlackBerry's short comings, and general hate of the device in these forums. My wife and I have had the device since February 5, when the phones finally came in, in our local carrier. Since then, I've restarted the device 4 times, some issues with Neutron and I wanted to see if it would help if I rebooted the device. Zero crashes, I have yet to see this device fail, except when using Android ports, then all that happens is the runtime window closes not affecting the performance of the device at all.
There was a learning curve, coming from a Torch 9860, but now it's all second nature and I wonder now, how I got along without the HUB before.
Everyone I show the device to, loves it and wishes they would have waited when they just bought their prior phone.
This device is a power house and I've proved it on various occasions with my Android buddies, pitting my Z10 against their Samsung Galaxy S3 and Note 2What exactly did you pit it against?. I can do more with my phone, multi-tasking as easy as on a PCAs can others. In fact, every other phone aside from BB has been doing this for years, but, of course, it comes down to apps.
This is the main cry that I read on these forums day in, day out and it gets redundant. There's only so many threads that one can make about Instagram, What's App, and NetFlix. I have What's App on my device, but she can't use it as it doesn't recognize the address book. I use NetFlix with PlayOn, I can watch the same movies and stream as fast if not faster than the Native Android app. My buddy with the Note 2 was it was amazing how clear it was; for some reason his Note 2 looks washed out color-wise, and it's brand new.
Every brand out there has their short-comings, BlackBerry too. But, this version 1 device has rocked the world(If It has rocked the world, why is the press bashing it? Why are sells less than predicted? and has made everyone aware that there are better alternatives to the aging, uninspired iPhone, and the unsecure, spastic Android OSAlternative yes, better has yet to be seen. Where's Android going to be in terms of domination when Samsung finally decides to port their devices to WP8 and TizenSamsung did have WP7 devices but has only released the ATIV S for WP8, a device sorely lacking for a flagship. Please do research before spouting crap? What's going to happen when FireFox releases their Mobile OS?Why is this relevant? The Market share for both Android and iPhone are dropping and it's not just because of BlackBerry 10, it's because users are finally opening their eyes to how inadequate their Mobile OS's areInadequate how? iOS and Android currently do more than BB10. Apple is talking about a ground - up re-write of iOS (rumored Yes rumored. This is exactly what RIM did, why are you bringing this up?), Android is trudging along with the same hashed and re-hashed aging OS with Key Lime PieAgain, use the OS before you comment, you are embarrassing yourself. Use jellybean. My god., how different is it going to be? Check the versions as there have been significant changes and upgrades to the OS every iteration. Again, do research. I don't think it matters as the Android mentality is based on hardware specs, not the software that runs it. Then why is Google updating their software with new features. Why is HTC and Samsung adding to the software with extra features? Again, do research.
QNX Neutrino RTOS is the Mobile OS of the future, trolls here see thatAccording to you? The playbook has been around and people have found it lacking., iPhone and Android sympathizer reviewers see that, and Google and Apple see it... what's the best way to debunk something as pure as BlackBerry 10, find any and all short-comings of the initial release of the OS and pass it around, build the hate, build the lie, build the misconception.Again with this Crackberry paranoia. RIM was killing itself with sticking to the same old OS why is it suddenly Apple and Google's doing? BB10 is released and lacking features. Apple and Google need to do nothing as BB10 is sorely lacking in features compared to everything else along with WP8 The most informed buyer is the person that goes out for them selves and tries whatever they're buying. Please take your own advice and actually try these devices before you talk about them. You are embarrassing yourself. If I listened to those around me, assuring me of how great their devices are, I wouldn't be here right now.You just got done saying "try before you buy" yet you are saying here that you didn't take their advice for trying other devices? Wow.. I'd be in Android Central, breeding the hate of this mysterious new Mobile OS or I'd be of at iMore, doing less and video droning to whatever Apple tells me what to buy and do.Again more paranoia and the same could be said about how BB is telling you what to like and what to buy. It goes both ways, Blacksheep
It's time for a fresh look at all this, take a step back, breathe, and look at BlackBerry 10 again. BlackBerry Users Do More...
I'm all ranted out and it's late. Fight nice but remember, respect the person's house you're visiting.

[tubbyandtattooed]

I love how a mobile phone brings out such strong feelings lol. Maybe the UN should give up on world peace and visit crackberry.com lol

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[jdhooghe]

Right, listen up you slags. <Rant Mode On> Since the launch of the Z10, except in the land of the fat bastardsI am not fat, please be respectful. If you'd like I can post my weight and you can post yours to see who is fatter., I've been watching with interest the comments on this Site and I'm staggered by what some people are saying. I've read about people returning their Z10`so etc and I'd love to be in a room with them so I could give them a Glasgow Kiss, twats. Because they have an opinion? Because they expected more out of the company that they loved? Who gave them features that no one else did and now all they see is an iClone?

BlackBerry give us the best touch screen phone they've ever done by a mile and all we hear is moaning. This is true, the torch and storm were terribleEverything in the world that is good takes time, and is never perfect but it seems that patience, trust and support to is sadly lacking amongst posters on here.Because Blackberry promised them features and told them that they were "perfecting" the OS and then released BB10 that is basically a shell? If BlackBerry had got everything right in the first version of BB10 then they would have been unique in the world to get something right first time. An OS is a process, an evolution something that is honed over time to become better and better, unfortunately some posters on here seem to forget that and expect a miracleThis is true - some fool was on here calling the OS half-baked! Unbelievable! You just said that the OS is an evolution and that it is a 1.0 OS and you're denying that it is half-baked? 0.o I guess you're drunk so the logic centers are not there

What galls me even more is that caveat that people attach to their posts such as: I'm a long time blackberry user; I used to love blackberry or I want blackberry to succeed etc etc. Well, that is bollocks, all you want is to have a moan and slag off blackberry, the company I love and that hurts me. If those people really meant those caveats they would be helping to improve bb10 by offering solutions to problems and being constructive in their criticism.They do list the reasons why they are angry. The company that they support deceived them. The fact that "slagging" a company hurts you is really alarming. You have way too much attachment to a company and that is unhealthy. Please get help.

So in summing up, if you want to moan about bb10 bugger off and do it somewhere else because you're getting right on my tits. <rant mode off>
So a forum is not a place to question or discuss or vent or anything? This place is basically a temple then? Ignorant, hypocritical and illogical --- hey that makes sense. +1 for insight
This post may be affected by the consumption of large amounts of beer.
Accept the consequences
[title should read slagging, not sagging. PB word replacement! BB are all pile of crap, should have done this post from a Galaxy SIII or from my i-watch.
0.o''''' Uh...you really need help

[WillieLee]

this, in a nutshell is what's wrong w/ the state of production of any product anywhere,,, companies put out a half-assed attempt & expect us to feel that this is ok, the norm,,, this is a catastrophy,,, i personally expect a high degree of effeciency, expertise & craftsmanship in everything i do, & i do exactly that,,, i expect no less from someone who provides me a service or a product,,, i, like most, bust my *** for my money, & when i spend it, i better get a good product or service, whether it be cars, tv's, toothpicks or phones,,, the prices they're charging for these things DEMANDS a QUALITY product,,, expecting anything less from BlackBerry, or anyone else, is foolish,,, & to tell others to have the same feeble expectations is ridiculous,,, i see no need to go off the deep end, pro or con, either,,, these are material things,,, feverish schitzoid rants & fawning psychophantic raves,("this BB/Z10 sucks, i'm gonna take this thing back & get run over by a bus on my way just to smash it to pieces", or "BB/Z10 is the greatest thing since the invention of internet porn"), have no real constructive outcome,,, we should expect more from them & ourselves,,, yes, there will be bugs & quirks but put out the best product possible to remove any doubts or reasons...

Apparently your attention to detail took the day off considering the rampant grammatical errors and improper punctuation in your post. And ellipses are three dots, not commas.