- 02-07-13, 02:52 PM #51Originally Posted by gilroyneilOriginally Posted by gilroyneilOriginally Posted by gilroyneilOriginally Posted by gilroyneilOriginally Posted by gilroyneil
- 02-07-13, 02:54 PM #52
I have been a blackberry user for years! While waiting for the release of blackberry 10 I did pick up a few android phones! But now I have my z10 and I'm going to keep one of my HTC phones. Just until more apps are available for the z10!
- 02-07-13, 02:59 PM #53
Re: New switcher. Switching back. My thoughts.
- 02-07-13, 03:03 PM #54Originally Posted by --Tommes--
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02-07-13, 03:05 PM #55
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First... hats off the OP for prefacing the comments... this is what distinquishes posts like this from garden variety trolling.... problem is as with oppinion peices it is only a reflection of the users experience... There are very few actual facts covered in any of these pieces..... I have an Ipad and have used an Iphones extensively in my work.... I could easily actually write an article with the opposite oppinion and make the same points in reverse... my point being is the what is the point of the exercise when it actually doesn't get you anywhere.... in the final analsys it will be sales that determine the fate of BB10.... Finally what has alway interested me with the "switchers" of any device never seem to use it for very long before "giving up" on it.... Many times I think they just do this to re-enforce their view of their original choice...
- 02-07-13, 03:14 PM #56
The task switcher DOES show more than 4 apps with Android. Mine is currently showing 10 (you just need to scroll up or down thru them), and I know it can go alot higher than that. As for your points about having to "reach" for certain buttons, while I can understand this can be an inconvenience, all that can be easily rectified with a Launcher (no root necessary). I can (with one swipe) bring down my Notification bar, and with a double tap, I can access all my Profile settings (such as Wifi, Hotspot, Airplane mode, GPS, BT etc). If I wanted, I could assign a gesture in order to bring up my Task Switcher as well(and with certain ROMs you can actually re-arrange your buttons to your liking), and while in the Task Switcher, the arrangements are very similiar to that of BB10's Active Frames. My current app is on the bottom, and the most recent used one is right above it. If I select another one from the Task Switcher, the arrangement then reorganizes accordingly.
- 02-07-13, 03:15 PM #57
I for one appreciate the OP's post. As I am sitting on the fence about getting the Z10 when it is available in the US and have been actively reading ALL opinions, comments, concerns, accolades etc. I currently use an iphone5 which I switched to about 1 year ago. Prior to that an android user and prior to that a diehard BB user. Would love to go back to using a BB but do have concerns at this time related to email functionality as well as other issues many people have commented on.
Not sure why everyone feels the need to bash another poster for posting their opinions, I think they help a lot of people in determining which avenue to go. I for one am still undecided but have time since it is not yet available and then will decide whether to purchase or wait.
- 02-07-13, 03:17 PM #58
Potent feedback and many of it valid.
You'd probably get flamed less if you didn't act as though your opinions were 'facts'. A lot of posters have that issue and it is pretty good at starting fights ...
- 02-07-13, 03:26 PM #60
I can see many of the points made. BB 10 is a move in the right direction, but the journey has just begun. And by no means is seven days eblnough to really get a complete run, as a lot of changes are bound to improve the experience as the ecosystem evolves. Nice write-up.
- 02-07-13, 04:07 PM #63
- 02-07-13, 04:25 PM #64For info, I own a iPhone 5 and a Google Nexus 4 and I enjoy technology and phones. In the last 4 months I have also owned a Note 2 and a Lumia 920.1. The device itself is fine. Nothing great. Its not as nice as an iPhone (its more plasticy and weighs more) but probably on par with the Nexus 4.2. The camera is OK. Nothing more. Not as good as the iPhone or a Note 2 I had before, but better than the Nexus 4.
6. The Gesture UI is fine but no more convenient than a home button. In fact, I think its easier to press a home button than make the same gesture over and over and over7. Apps... wow. If you are used to IOS or Android be prepared for a shock, the situation on BB10 is worse than Windows Phone. The apps, by and large, are terrible or simply links to web pages.8. Browser is OK. About the same as iPhone or Android. But 1 annoying bug prevents me from using it - you can change the Search provider but only to Google.com and not google.co.uk so most of the search results are less relevant to me.9. BB Link on my Mac is OK. But it screws up the iTunes metadata for videos, and cannot group by metadata so ALL Movies and TV Shows are lumped together in a list. Rubbish.
The fact that discrepencies happen between Apple products even (art will appear on my Mac but not my Apple TV), suggests that Apple themselves has issues to sort out. :-)11. Battery Life. To be fair I haven't owned it for very long (I need to return it within 7 days) but its not good. About as good as the Nexus 4 - i.e. Poor - and nowhere near the battery life of the iPhone 5.12. Email is worse on the BB than it is on iPhone and Android.13. BBM is useless to new converts as chances are they wont know anyone else with a BB.
Some of this can be fixed easily, some cannot.My honest advice is this: in 2013 with a new iPhone about 6 months away and the new generation of 1080p Androids weeks away
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02-07-13, 05:48 PM #65
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WOW this thread started interesting but is now filled with SO MUCH information that I cannot handle it LOL. I just tried to read it but nah man, not my piece of cake anymore. However, I am still sticking to my Z10
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02-07-13, 06:04 PM #67
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3-the home button is just something you are use to, but if you see every future tech, even in movies, it's all going to be about gestures, imagine a big window (glass) that you can interact with, wouldn't it look really weird if it has a button in the middle ??? the home button is gonna get obsolete before you know it.
That observation pretty much sums it up... the home button is dead, long live the swipe!! :-)
This has been a really great forum thread.
Some of the criticism has fallen into 4 main categories:
1. I didn't use the device long enough, or missed a detail (e.g. the web browser speed). Maybe this is true - I did not use the device for long. But I used it exactly long enough to realise that it doesn't let me do what I want to do on a smartphone. By the way, if the web browser is quicker I *promise* you that you wont notice it on a decent connection.
2. That the BB "speed of use" and efficiency is more important than eco-systems/apps. To this, all I can say is - try a Z10. Its a touch based interface with no keyboard shortcuts. Below the thin gesture UI its just a square icon OS like iOS and Android. The gestures are (in my estimation) no more efficient than button presses but perhaps this could be improved in software more easily than a OS which relies on physical buttons...maybe.
3. Apps dont matter. They do, to a great many people. And I don't mean having 100,000 games, I mean having apps which are available on other platforms which people expect like YouTube, Netflix and so on. There is probably a top 50 apps which you need to attract iOS and Android users in volume and BB10 doesn't have them.
4. Its a v1.0 operating system. Yes - I agree, and for a v1.0 its actually rather good. But BB have held a fairly solid user base set against large smartphone growth. If they want to expand, they need to address the competition. BB10 is not a "point release" away from iOS and Android, its at least 1 major version away from them (e.g. BB11) and probably a several more in reality.
More generally, I think the "war" is not about phones and apps, its about eco-systems and this is where BB is at a disadvantage. People buy an iPhone for the apps but they may keep it for iCloud and iTunes. People buy a Android for the price/performance/unique form factor but they may stay for the Google services and apps and/or manufacturer OS skins. To a lesser extent people buy Windows Phone because they use a Windows PC and/or outlook.com. BB doesn't have any of this, and sadly this is why they will ultimately struggle. What is the value add that would allow BB to expand beyond the current user base? I hope they find an answer.
- 02-07-13, 07:34 PM #711. The device itself is fine. Nothing great. Its not as nice as an iPhone (its more plasticy and weighs more) but probably on par with the Nexus 4.2. The camera is OK. Nothing more. Not as good as the iPhone or a Note 2 I had before, but better than the Nexus 4.3. The screen is nice but not as bright as the iPhone. About the same as the Nexus 4.4. The Hub is nothing more than a glorified Notification Center with a sloppy UI. The paradigm of having all notifications mixed together is... different.. and for me it neither wins nor loses. I personally prefer pulling down from top of screen on Android or IOS but its roughtly similar.5. Evernote integration in Remember is pathetic. Useless. Doesn't sync back to regular Evernote clients and the only view is alphabetical. UPDATE - after a reboot, the notes did sync back to Evernote. Still there is no rich text editing/sorting but its not *as* bad as I first thought.6. The Gesture UI is fine but no more convenient than a home button. In fact, I think its easier to press a home button than make the same gesture over and over and over
wow, how gestures are not more convenient are just beyond me. gestures are more advanced, require less steps in between. for ios you always have to go back to the button. no true multitasking. button on ios is so 5 years ago.
7. Apps... wow. If you are used to IOS or Android be prepared for a shock, the situation on BB10 is worse than Windows Phone. The apps, by and large, are terrible or simply links to web pages. There is no Youtube app, no BBC iPlayer, no Spotify, no decent Podcast app (Podcasts is not a decent app), no Evernote, no Skype, no TeamViewer. And so on. What apps there are are v1.0 apps like the first batches of Windows Phone 8 apps. This will improve but if you compare to iOS or Android its another world and simply years behind.8. Browser is OK. About the same as iPhone or Android. But 1 annoying bug prevents me from using it - you can change the Search provider but only to Google.com and not google.co.uk so most of the search results are less relevant to me.9. BB Link on my Mac is OK. But it screws up the iTunes metadata for videos, and cannot group by metadata so ALL Movies and TV Shows are lumped together in a list. Rubbish.12. Email is worse on the BB than it is on iPhone and Android. I have 2 Google EAS accounts. I set both up as EAS accounts on the BB. Emails arrive more or less same time as other devices but when you read them on the BB, it isnt sending back the "READ" command to the server so the messages will appear as Unread on all other devices. What an annoying bug.13. BBM is useless to new converts as chances are they wont know anyone else with a BB.14. Notifications arrive very slowly (e.g. Twitter mentions etc).I have many more complaints too, but i think I will stop there.Some of this can be fixed easily, some cannot.
My honest advice is this: in 2013 with a new iPhone about 6 months away and the new generation of 1080p Androids weeks away, this phone feels out of place. It should have been released in this state 2 years ago around iOS 4 and Gingerbread/Honeycomb. Thats what if could actually compete against. but against Jelly Bean and iOS 6 and the hardware on offer, its not good enough.
and there is nothing you like about bb10. only more complaints. my complaint with your so called "objective" review is that you fail to point any positives such as
full multitasking, powerful qnx under the hood, built in flash and so on and so on and so on, easy way of sideloading apps etc. etc. etc.
bgr crew would be proud of you.
the thing is that for someone to use your "review" in any meaningful way he would need to have positives and negatives to consider. trade offs of staying vs swtiching to this new platform. yours has none.
here are some reasons for ios / android people to switch to bb10
1. it is all enclosed and too much controlled by apple
2. because home button is not cool anymore
3. because all iphones look exactly the same and it is hard to tell if it is iphone 1 or iphone 5
4. because iphone has no flash
5. because iphone has no multitasking
6. because ios does not have all messages in one place.
7. because ios browser is not the best and it has never been.
8. because it is likely that iphone 6 will look like iphone 5 and iphone 7 will look like iphone 6 etc. borring. Sorry but true innovator is dead and it is unlikely that apple will come out with anything revolutionary any time soon.
1. it is too fragmented
2. because lot of apps do not want work properly on certain phones
3. because lot of apps do not work at all on certain phones
4. because ios "control bar" takes away from space on the screen and space is everything on small screen
5. becauus newest android os does not support flash
6. because security on android is of huge concernes
7. because android is heaven for malware
8. because android has no true multitasking
9. because a lot of things done on android are just awkward
- 02-07-13, 08:02 PM #72
You mean to tell me there are only bad things with your experience? You don't even list ONE good thing? Why did you even buy a Z10? You complain about the Hub and the UI yet there's been hundreds of demo videos to show you how the hub worked and yet you still bought one.
And then you complain about apps, which again makes you look like you made an uneducated purchase. Anyone who knows something about technology knows BB10 is a new OS and the apps are still coming. How can anyone who claims to know about tech complain about apps? That's like telling us the sky is blue.... we know that!
You lost me when you said you find the home button just as convenient as gestures. Sounds to me like the iPhone is perfect for you. I have no idea why you wasted BlackBerry's money by buying a phone knowing full well you were going to return it.
I'm sorry but if someone wants to come on here to talk about their experience, at least complain about things that weren't well known and documented.
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02-07-13, 08:08 PM #73
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Outside of the app selection, which the world knows about as a legitimate shortcoming for Blackberry, I'd like to know exactly how is pulling down from the top of the phone (in Android's case a big *** phone) in any way better than just swiping to the right from anywhere on the screen like on BB? From what I understand you can also customize the hub to the point where everything can be seperate if that is what you're used to.
I'm glad you posted as a supposed non-fanboy, but it seems these types of posts get liked far too easily. I am currently not under any contract so I can go out and get any phone with any carrier I want. However, OP's "gripes" about the Z10 failed to make me want to take a serious look at Android or ios. I am also not interested in large 4.5"+ 1080p screens. Many consumers do NOT like large overly phones and 1080p means nothing on a 32 inch screen, so why in the world is it needed on 5 outside of being a gimmick?
- 02-07-13, 08:14 PM #74
I dont want To be A Troll Ahan Ahan
Posts15 Posts <<<< I see ....... it
If i came Here to talk Why Android And IOS sucks I will Stay here Till Tomorrow !!! seriously dont want To start an fight ... just sayin
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When are people going to realize to stop posting to these people threads with fewer than 5 posts? They are setup to make the newbies come in here look like everyone hates the Z10 and nothing but. Best thing you can do is ignore them - but if you look at the top threads they are all full of people responding to these types of posts. These threads deserve one response... "so sad you didn't see the value in the platform. Enjoy your new one". Done.
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