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    Default Model Variant of Blackberry Z10

    As I am trying to figure out which variant I need to enjoy the LTE service my carrier is offering, here is what I found from the safety notice documents released by Blackberry. I suggest those whom is trying to purchase from oversea source to check the detail model variant before you make your order.

    Here are the URL link for those safety notices...

    STL100-1

    STL100-2

    STL100-3

    STL100-4

    STL100-1 (Model: RFG81UW)

    Mobile network radio specifications:
    • Quad-band HSPA+ support: UMTS 850, UMTS 900, UMTS 1900, UMTS 2100 MHz band
    • Quad-band GSM support: GSM 850, GSM 900, DCS 1800, PCS 1900 MHz
    • Power class: Class 1 (DCS 1800, PCS 1900), Class 4 (GSM 850) as defined in GSM 5.05, Class 4
    (GSM 900) as defined in GSM 02.06, Class E2 (GSM 850, GSM 900, DCS 1800, PCS 1900), Class
    3 (UMTS)
    • Transmitting frequency: GSM 824 to 849 MHz, GSM 880 to 915 MHz, DCS 1710 to 1785 MHz,
    PCS 1850 to 1910 MHz, IMT 1920 to 1980 MHz
    • Receiving frequency: GSM 869 to 894 MHz, GSM 925 to 960 MHz, DCS 1805 to 1880 MHz, PCS
    1930 to 1990 MHz, IMT 2110 to 2170 MHz

    STL100-2 (Model: RFH121LW)

    Mobile network radio specifications:
    • Quad-band LTE support: LTE 800, LTE 900, LTE 1800, LTE 2600 MHz
    • Tri-band HSPA+ support: UMTS 850, UMTS 900, UMTS 2100 MHz band
    • Quad-band GSM support: GSM 850, GSM 900, DCS 1800, PCS 1900 MHz
    • Power class: Class 1 (DCS 1800, PCS 1900), Class 4 (GSM 850) as defined in GSM 5.05, Class 4
    (GSM 900) as defined in GSM 02.06, Class E2 (GSM 850, GSM 900, DCS 1800, PCS 1900), Class
    3 (UMTS, LTE)
    • Transmitting frequency: GSM 824 to 849 MHz, GSM 880 to 915 MHz, DCS 1710 to 1785 MHz,
    PCS 1850 to 1910 MHz, IMT 1920 to 1980 MHz, LTE 832 to 862 MHz, LTE 2500 to 2570 MHz
    • Receiving frequency: GSM 869 to 894 MHz, GSM 925 to 960 MHz, DCS 1805 to 1880 MHz, PCS
    1930 to 1990 MHz, IMT 2110 to 2170 MHz, LTE 791 to 821 MHz, LTE 2620 to 2690 MHz

    STL100-3 (Two Models: RFK121LW & RFF91LW) - Slight different in Tri-Band HSDPA+ Frequency.

    RFK121LW

    • Quad-band LTE support: LTE 700, LTE 850, LTE 1700, LTE 1900 MHz band
    • Quad-band HSPA+ support: UMTS 800/UMTS 850, UMTS 1700, UMTS 1900, UMTS 2100 MHz
    band
    • Quad-band GSM support: GSM 850, GSM 900, DCS 1800, PCS 1900 MHz
    • Power class: Class 1 (DCS 1800, PCS 1900), Class 4 (GSM 850) as defined in GSM 5.05, Class 4
    (GSM 900) as defined in GSM 02.06, Class E2 (GSM 850, GSM 900, DCS 1800, PCS 1900), Class
    3 (UMTS, LTE)
    • Transmitting frequency: GSM 824 to 849 MHz, GSM 880 to 915 MHz, DCS 1710 to 1785 MHz,
    PCS 1850 to 1910 MHz, UMTS 824 to 849 MHz, UMTS 1710 to 1755 MHz, UMTS 1850 to 1910
    MHz, UMTS 1920 to 1980 MHz, LTE 704 to 716 MHz, LTE 824 to 849 MHz, LTE 1850 to 1910
    MHz, LTE 1710 to 1755 MHz
    • Receiving frequency: GSM 869 to 894 MHz, GSM 925 to 960 MHz, DCS 1805 to 1880 MHz, PCS
    1930 to 1990 MHz, UMTS 869 to 894 MHz, UMTS 1930 to 1990 MHz, UMTS 2110 to 2155
    MHz, UMTS 2110 to 2170 MHz, LTE 734 to 746 MHz, LTE 869 to 894 MHz, LTE 1930 to 1990
    MHz, LTE 2110 to 2155 MHz

    RFF91LW:

    • Quad-band LTE support: LTE 700, LTE 850, LTE 1700, LTE 1900 MHz band
    • Tri-band HSPA+ support: UMTS 800/UMTS 850, UMTS 1900, UMTS 2100 MHz band
    • Quad-band GSM support: GSM 850, GSM 900, DCS 1800, PCS 1900 MHz
    • Power class: Class 1 (DCS 1800, PCS 1900), Class 4 (GSM 850) as defined in GSM 5.05, Class 4
    (GSM 900) as defined in GSM 02.06, Class E2 (GSM 850, GSM 900, DCS 1800, PCS 1900), Class
    3 (UMTS, LTE)
    • Transmitting frequency: GSM 824 to 849 MHz, GSM 880 to 915 MHz, DCS 1710 to 1785 MHz,
    PCS 1850 to 1910 MHz, UMTS 824 to 849 MHz, UMTS 1850 to 1910 MHz, UMTS 1920 to 1980
    MHz, LTE 704 to 716 MHz, LTE 824 to 849 MHz, LTE 1850 to 1910 MHz, LTE 1710 to 1755 MHz
    • Receiving frequency: GSM 869 to 894 MHz, GSM 925 to 960 MHz, DCS 1805 to 1880 MHz, PCS
    1930 to 1990 MHz, UMTS 869 to 894 MHz, UMTS 1930 to 1990 MHz, UMTS 2110 to 2170
    MHz, LTE 734 to 746 MHz, LTE 869 to 894 MHz, LTE 1930 to 1990 MHz, LTE 2110 to 2155 MHz

    STL100-4 (Model: RFA91LW)

    • Single-band LTE support: LTE 700 MHz
    • Dual-band CDMA support: Cell band 800, PCS 1900 MHz
    • Dual-band UMTS support: UMTS 900, UMTS 2100 MHz
    • Quad-band GSM support: GSM 850, GSM 900, DCS 1800, PCS 1900 MHz
    • Power class: Class 1 (DCS 1800, PCS 1900), Class 4 (GSM 850) as defined in GSM 5.05, Class 4
    (GSM 900) as defined in GSM 02.06, Class E2 (GSM 850, GSM 900, DCS 1800, PCS 1900), Class
    3 (UMTS, LTE, CDMA Cell band 850), Class 2 (CDMA PCS band 1900)
    • Transmitting frequency: LTE 777 to 787 MHz, CDMA 824 to 849 MHz, UMTS 880 to 915 MHz,
    UMTS 1920 to 1980 MHz, GSM 824 to 849 Mz, GSM 880 to 915 MHz, DCS 1710 to 1785 MHz,
    PCS 1850 to 1910 MHz
    • Receiving frequency: LTE 746 to 756 MHz, CDMA 869 to 894 MHz, UMTS 925 to 960 MHz,
    UMTS 2110 to 2170 MHz, GSM 869 to 894 MHz, GSM 925 to 960 MHz, DCS 1805 to 1880 MHz,
    PCS 1930 to 1990 MHz

    From what I know that UK carrier is carrying STL100-2 and Telus is carrying STL100-3 (no idea which sub-variant).

    For those you have received your phone, probably can help to update the carriers and model variants. It might help people who is planning buying from his/her carrier.
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    Default Model Variant of Blackberry Z10

    Can anyone confirm which model Rogers/Bell are using? Is it the stl 100-3?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kdklein View Post
    Can anyone confirm which model Rogers/Bell are using? Is it the stl 100-3?
    Maybe this T-Mobile support page will help you.

    Will the iPhone 5 work with T-Mobile's 3g/4g/LTE network? (answered) Support | T-Mobile
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    Which of these would be compatible with Wind mobile in Canada?

    After a bit of research I think the STL100-3 Model RFK121LW would match the Wind network, as their page says that their network is UMTS (AWS) 1700/2100.

    Edit: oh both models of STL100-3 would work on the Wind network as they both support UMTS 1700 and 2100
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    Quote Originally Posted by toshstone View Post
    Which of these would be compatible with Wind mobile in Canada?

    After a bit of research I think the STL100-3 Model RFK121LW would match the Wind network, as their page says that their network is UMTS (AWS) 1700/2100.
    Someone on this thread said they got the stl100-2 working on T-Mobile. I don't know if this is legit or not.
    http://forums.crackberry.com/blackbe...16/index2.html
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    I don't think so. Currently T-Mobile is offering HSPA+ with 1700MHz and 1900MHz. Even with the LTE server planned in 2013 is still with 1700MHz. I don't think it is legit.


    Quote Originally Posted by DannyAves View Post
    Someone on this thread said they got the stl100-2 working on T-Mobile. I don't know if this is legit or not.
    http://forums.crackberry.com/blackbe...16/index2.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by hecklerstan View Post
    I don't think so. Currently T-Mobile is offering HSPA+ with 1700MHz and 1900MHz. Even with the LTE server planned in 2013 is still with 1700MHz. I don't think it is legit.
    Actually, T-Mobile is in the process of rolling out 1900MHz so it IS possible to get an HSPA+ Device from AT&T, Bell, Rogers etc. on T-Mobile because you only need the 850MHz or 1900MHz band. In the US and Canada, AWS requires both bands. To be even more technical, I "think" with AWS one band is used exclusively for download and the other band for upload, at least the way it's set up here forces that to happen. Not totally sure about the upload and download thing but I do remember reading it somewhere on how it wouldn't work if the phone only has 2100 MHz it still needs to have the 1700 MHz band supported.
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    so att is...
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    Could all the people in Canada getting their phones check which models you have and tell us what carrier you're with? Thanks
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    Where do I find the sub-model? When I go to about, it says " STL100-3" but I can't see RFF91LW or RFK121LW anywhere...


    Stupid question.
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    This is a really helpful thread. Now that the Z10 is out in a lot of places, if people could post which carrier they bought theirs from and which exact model it is, it would really help others whose carrier doesn't carry it. This should be stickied...
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    Z10 from Telus
    STL 100-3

    Where do I find which variant it is?
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    BB Z10 from koodo
    STL100-3
    RFF91LW



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    STL 100-1:
    Chipset A: TI OMAP 4470 1.5Ghz / Imagination GPU PowerVR SGX 544

    STL 100-2,3,4:
    Chipset B: QC Snapdragon MSM8960 1.5Ghz / Qualcomm GPU Adreno 225
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    Are there any perf. differences between the processors? where do you get this information?
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    Yes performance is around 35% lower in the geek bench for the stl100-1 Texas Instruments omap 4470. Real Life I can't tell as I have only one z10.

    I have linked the source somewhere before, use search and you will find it in the forum.

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    Mines the 21 model from wind. Only one that will work with T-Mobile LTE in the states

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    Mine is a z10 STL 100-3 RFF91LW.
    I inserted my mobilicity sim card, clicked on settings, then Network Connections, then Mobile Network, turned on Mobile Network, Data Services, Data services while roaming - off, Network Mode 4g & 3g, Network Selection Mode - Automatic.
    Then I closed settings and restarted the phone with the mobilicity sim card inside.
    Voila, it is now connected to Mobilicity.
    I don't know about wind though with this Model and subvariant.

    Gambei , Mongol
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    I am so sick of T-Mobile using a less common band for UMTS.

    Only 1 guy in eBay selling a 3 model version 21 and he is **** bent on 850$

    Why should I have to pay more just to make it work as intended in my carrier? Rediculous...it is rediculous to charge people more and take advantage of the band variance to make such a significant profit.

    Anyone know of any other source to buy a Wind/Tmo one for like $650 tops?

    I'm growing impatient waiting for T-Mobile to announce when they said they'd be one of the first.

    ALSO:

    To whoever said Wind version is the only one that will get 1700 LTE for Tmo US, I think that's wrong.

    The only difference between 21 and 91 variants are absence of 1700 band for UMTS. So if you used a 91 on T-Mobile you would get LTE but loose 1700 mhz UMTS bands.

    So what?

    Well, T-Mobile hasn't finished refarming their 1900 MHz UMTS so you will likely, imo almost certainly, find areas whuch have no LTE and no 1900mhz UMTS, and you will be on EDGE. Thatll be so frustrating you'll want to throw your phone off an edge.



    I know there seems to be a great deal of people in Tmo impatiently settling for STL100-3 91. I don't understand that. The phone is not cheap. It is expensive enough to be a new desktop computer. I pay $650 I want it to work as intended and the best experience posisble. 91 in Tmo is cash in the trash.

    * all "ins" were supposed to say "on". God give me the Z10. This fair virtual keyboard combined with the massive lag on new crackberry = maddening experience.
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    Thats not true. I am using the 91 and I get 4G on T-Mobile 1700 umts. Both 91 and 21 have 1700 umts

    Quote Originally Posted by STV0726 View Post
    I am so sick of T-Mobile using a less common band for UMTS.

    Only 1 guy in eBay selling a 3 model version 21 and he is **** bent on 850$

    Why should I have to pay more just to make it work as intended in my carrier? Rediculous...it is rediculous to charge people more and take advantage of the band variance to make such a significant profit.

    Anyone know of any other source to buy a Wind/Tmo one for like $650 tops?

    I'm growing impatient waiting for T-Mobile to announce when they said they'd be one of the first.

    ALSO:

    To whoever said Wind version is the only one that will get 1700 LTE for Tmo US, I think that's wrong.

    The only difference between 21 and 91 variants are absence of 1700 band for UMTS. So if you used a 91 on T-Mobile you would get LTE but loose 1700 mhz UMTS bands.

    So what?

    Well, T-Mobile hasn't finished refarming their 1900 MHz UMTS so you will likely, imo almost certainly, find areas whuch have no LTE and no 1900mhz UMTS, and you will be on EDGE. Thatll be so frustrating you'll want to throw your phone off an edge.



    I know there seems to be a great deal of people in Tmo impatiently settling for STL100-3 91. I don't understand that. The phone is not cheap. It is expensive enough to be a new desktop computer. I pay $650 I want it to work as intended and the best experience posisble. 91 in Tmo is cash in the trash.

    * all "ins" were supposed to say "on". God give me the Z10. This fair virtual keyboard combined with the massive lag on new crackberry = maddening experience.
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    STL100-3 model is stated on the box and instruction manual.. Only this version works for USA ATT and Tmobile 4G
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    Hi , I want to add that with the z10 STL 100-3 RFF91LW, there is some functionality as far as sending and receiving phone calls on mobilicity but there is not data.

    Gambei, Mongol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thanhdang View Post
    Thats not true. I am using the 91 and I get 4G on T-Mobile 1700 umts. Both 91 and 21 have 1700 umts
    Can't you look up the frequency bands under settings like on OS 7? That way you can see if the RFF91LW and the RFK121LW are the same phone and the T-Mobile 1700/2100 AWS frequency was just software locked and one the RFF91LW is unlocked it basically turns into the RFK121LW.

    And just screenshot that screen so we can see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by STV0726 View Post
    I am so sick of T-Mobile using a less common band for UMTS.

    Only 1 guy in eBay selling a 3 model version 21 and he is **** bent on 850$

    Why should I have to pay more just to make it work as intended in my carrier? Rediculous...it is rediculous to charge people more and take advantage of the band variance to make such a significant profit.

    Anyone know of any other source to buy a Wind/Tmo one for like $650 tops?

    I'm growing impatient waiting for T-Mobile to announce when they said they'd be one of the first.

    ALSO:

    To whoever said Wind version is the only one that will get 1700 LTE for Tmo US, I think that's wrong.

    The only difference between 21 and 91 variants are absence of 1700 band for UMTS. So if you used a 91 on T-Mobile you would get LTE but loose 1700 mhz UMTS bands.

    So what?

    Well, T-Mobile hasn't finished refarming their 1900 MHz UMTS so you will likely, imo almost certainly, find areas whuch have no LTE and no 1900mhz UMTS, and you will be on EDGE. Thatll be so frustrating you'll want to throw your phone off an edge.



    I know there seems to be a great deal of people in Tmo impatiently settling for STL100-3 91. I don't understand that. The phone is not cheap. It is expensive enough to be a new desktop computer. I pay $650 I want it to work as intended and the best experience posisble. 91 in Tmo is cash in the trash.

    * all "ins" were supposed to say "on". God give me the Z10. This fair virtual keyboard combined with the massive lag on new crackberry = maddening experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mundo472 View Post
    Check your message box. I can help you out

    Want to help me out too ?

    I am also looking at around 650 max shipped
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