Niagara vs Bold

[F3AR]

Originally Posted by davistld01

So...if I bought the 9630 at retail (not about to switch to VZW)...would I be able to use my AT&T SIM in it once it was unlocked? I know I would only be able to use EDGE...but I could get over that.

I love my Bold...and I would never give it up for the 9630 as my daily-driver, but I like the in-between sizing of the 9630 between the Javelin (too small...too cramped) and the Bold, which I still think is perfectly sized. I would be interested in it as a secondary phone just to overcome boredom...

If you unlock the 9630, any sim card would work with it but yea it would only work with EDGE in the states.

[fjs0808]

>>Bold is GSM only (3G).
Niagara is 3G CDMA (EV-DO rev.A) with GSM (EDGE). <<
What does all that mean to a guy from Ohio who wants to do email on a BB??
Frank

[cruciaL]

3G is kind of like the high speed vers. of mobile phones. Not 2817392817398 times faster, but faster. GSM devices use Sim cards (when unlocked can be used by any GSM carrier such as AT&T, T-Mobile, Rogers, etc). Whereas CDMA does not. Normally/strictly tied to the carrier that the device is bought with unless unlocked. Some CDMA phones have a GSM/Sim card slot but without the phone being GSM-only, they will not be able to use the 3G network.

[jeffharris]

Originally Posted by giantfan30

in your opinion the 8900 runs better than the Bold...everybody has an opinion
truth be told the 8900 is slower and does nothing better than the Bold...oh it takes better pictures....
its like you trying to convince me that a Toyota is better than a Ferrari because it has a bigger gas tank
the Bold is the flagship RIM device for a reason

Not true. The 8900 is far superior, aside from anything else, because of double the memory for apps - the memory issue is the dealbreaker for using the Bold, or Storm - and, I assume (and hope) the Niagara will have 256MB internal RAM like the 8900. Having room for apps is becoming paramount on a Smartphone.

I have a Bold, 8900, and Storm. I cannot do a device change from the 8900 to the Storm or Bold, because what I have in the 8900 depletes the memory in the others way before the transfer is over .... It's a wonderful thing never to run low on memory - I have always 85MB or more free on the 8900. This would be equivalent on the Storm or Bold of being short 80-100MB !!!

[Crucial_Xtreme]

Originally Posted by bx2md

don't count the niagra out just yet ...we need to wait to the official one is released ...
and knowing vzw about 2 os upgrades lollol you never know

Actually I do. I stand by my statement.

Originally Posted by giper

The Bold has a faster processor, but the Niagara has more RAM. Since RAM can be a bottle neck, will the Niagara be faster because it has more RAM?

No, more RAM does not equal faster device. It can help, but alone will not.

Originally Posted by giantfan30

sheesh since when is RAM a bottleneck for the Bold?
having more application memory does not a faster device make.....of course you will hear a different tune from 8900 and 9630 users..call it an inferiority complex

Must say I agree for the most part.

Originally Posted by jeffharris

Not true. The 8900 is far superior, aside from anything else, because of double the memory for apps - the memory issue is the dealbreaker for using the Bold, or Storm - and, I assume (and hope) the Niagara will have 256MB internal RAM like the 8900. Having room for apps is becoming paramount on a Smartphone.

I have a Bold, 8900, and Storm. I cannot do a device change from the 8900 to the Storm or Bold, because what I have in the 8900 depletes the memory in the others way before the transfer is over .... It's a wonderful thing never to run low on memory - I have always 85MB or more free on the 8900. This would be equivalent on the Storm or Bold of being short 80-100MB !!!

This is your opinion. Definitely not fact. Yes, more memory on the 8900 is definitely nice. But in no way makes it superior to the Bold. Regardless of anything the 8900 has, it is not as fast as the 9000. Yes it's close, but close does not count. Nor does the 8900 have voice and data. It all comes down to need/wants and preference, but to say the 8900 is superior to the 9000 is downright false. That is the only thing it has over the Bold aside from a better camera with auto-focus.

[Oilersboy]

Originally Posted by F3AR

The Storm processor is actually 528 mhz, just letting the OP know.

no bold and storm have same processor 624 mhz I just found out info from


BlackBerry Storm - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (storm)

look at your right side of screen and you can see the processor saying 624 mhz

[VZWRocka]

Originally Posted by Oilersboy

no bold and storm have same processor 624 mhz I just found out info from


BlackBerry Storm - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (storm)

look at your right side of screen and you can see the processor saying 624 mhz

The site is wrong.

I'm sure CX is going to chime in here but, (and He works for RIM if you didn't know) he posted the other day that the Bold has the fastest process or of any BB to date including the Curve.

As for the inferiority complex that someone mentioned earlier in the thread, I have to say I disagree. I own both devices and I do find the Curve 8900 seems to run faster and I do use and like them both. I can use either device any time I want so I would just used that if I wanted, there is no reason to feel inferior.

The browser IS faster. Hands down. (I only have EDGE in my area.) I've loaded the same page side by side several times to test it and the 8900 loads them faster and the scrolling and zooming is faster and does not lag on the 8900 lie it does on the Bold.

EDIT: When I tried the same thing on WiFi the other day the difference was not as startling but the 8900 still loaded the pages marginally faster.

[bimmerjoe]

niagara falls ??? haha

[Oilersboy]

Originally Posted by VZWRocka

The site is wrong.

I'm sure CX is going to chime in here but, (and He works for RIM if you didn't know) he posted the other day that the Bold has the fastest process or of any BB to date including the Curve.

As for the inferiority complex that someone mentioned earlier in the thread, I have to say I disagree. I own both devices and I do find the Curve 8900 seems to run faster and I do use and like them both. I can use either device any time I want so I would just used that if I wanted, there is no reason to feel inferior.

The browser IS faster. Hands down. (I only have EDGE in my area.) I've loaded the same page side by side several times to test it and the 8900 loads them faster and the scrolling and zooming is faster and does not lag on the 8900 lie it does on the Bold.

EDIT: When I tried the same thing on WiFi the other day the difference was not as startling but the 8900 still loaded the pages marginally faster.

the site I gave out is not wrong sorry and it is correct one !!

[Oilersboy]

Originally Posted by VZWRocka

The site is wrong.

I'm sure CX is going to chime in here but, (and He works for RIM if you didn't know) he posted the other day that the Bold has the fastest process or of any BB to date including the Curve.

As for the inferiority complex that someone mentioned earlier in the thread, I have to say I disagree. I own both devices and I do find the Curve 8900 seems to run faster and I do use and like them both. I can use either device any time I want so I would just used that if I wanted, there is no reason to feel inferior.

The browser IS faster. Hands down. (I only have EDGE in my area.) I've loaded the same page side by side several times to test it and the 8900 loads them faster and the scrolling and zooming is faster and does not lag on the 8900 lie it does on the Bold.

EDIT: When I tried the same thing on WiFi the other day the difference was not as startling but the 8900 still loaded the pages marginally faster.

I have other evidence that storm and bold have same processor so here the link and u can check at

Fastest Processor - Cell Phones Top List


bold and storm are ranked 3 rd fastest processor for cellphone and you can go see for yourself that I am correct about it thank you

[VZWRocka]

Originally Posted by Oilersboy

the site I gave out is not wrong sorry and it is correct one !!

You can keep posting links all you want. That does not make them right.

I'm sticking with CX's word (he's a tester for RIM so he's definitely more in the know than the people who write those sites, most of whom get their info from eachother) unless he corrects himself.

[Oilersboy]

Originally Posted by VZWRocka

You can keep posting links all you want. That does not make them right.

I'm sticking with CX's word (he's a tester for RIM so he's definitely more in the know than the people who write those sites, most of whom get their info from eachother) unless he corrects himself.

I am not wrong at all and I can find many links proving storm using 624 mhz and you can go find links yourself and you can see it if CX check the links that I gave out here and he will know I'm right because the links show strong evidence about storm's processor

[VZWRocka]

Originally Posted by Oilersboy

I am not wrong at all and I can find many links proving storm using 624 mhz and you can go find links yourself and you can see it if CX check the links that I gave out here and he will know I'm right because the links show strong evidence about storm's processor

* shakes head* he doesn't need to check any links. He works for the company that made the phone. I'm not going to get into a linking match with you and I'm gonna withdraw from this part of the discussion now, because clearly I'm not going to convince you. Good day.

[vdiesel]

Originally Posted by VZWRocka

* shakes head* he doesn't need to check any links. He works for the company that made the phone. I'm not going to get into a linking match with you and I'm gonna withdraw from this part of the discussion now, because clearly I'm not going to convince you. Good day.

I was pretty confused about this too because of wikipedia. Many sources quote it as up to 624mhz. But others clock it at 528mhz. I'm inclined to believe it's the latter because of more reputable sources.

Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com

[jeffharris]

Originally Posted by Crucial_Xtreme

Actually I do. I stand by my statement.


No, more RAM does not equal faster device. It can help, but alone will not.


Must say I agree for the most part.


This is your opinion. Definitely not fact. Yes, more memory on the 8900 is definitely nice. But in no way makes it superior to the Bold. Regardless of anything the 8900 has, it is not as fast as the 9000. Yes it's close, but close does not count. Nor does the 8900 have voice and data. It all comes down to need/wants and preference, but to say the 8900 is superior to the 9000 is downright false. That is the only thing it has over the Bold aside from a better camera with auto-focus.

Well, I guess this is your opinion as well, and not fact. You feeling the superior camera of the 8900, the greater memory, the higher resolution, and the UMA abilities of the 8900 doesn't make it a better device - and I feel it does - and I have both - I guess we all can have our opinions based on need.

The Bolds processor HAD to be faster at the time it was designed, to assure proper functionality - this stems back to the old 3G 8707, which I also had, and never really worked properly. The processor was, I believe, no faster (or marginally) than the 8700. The reason that phone didn't work, and constantly crashed, was the processor, which of course then was slower anyway as a result of the technology then, couldn't handle and process the 3g data coming in as fast as it did. There is no doubt that the Bold was designed with the higher processor to deal solely with that, and made sure they were way safe to compensate for the 8707 debacle, so RIM wouldn't produce a 3g device that could potentially tank. As a result, the battery life took a big hit - but, at least it worked (works). As I believe the Storm processor is slower than the Bold, I had read that as the Bold was a design started quite a while ago, they found better algorithms to deal with the 3g for the Storm, which of course trades off for better battery life - something all phone manufacturers try to balance.

Anyway, there is no perfect device. That's why I carry a Blackberry 8900, and, a Nokia N85 with me. And my Storm when I'm in Japan. And my Bold just stays in the dugout .....