New Blackberrys Minus 4G? What the HE_ _
08-10-11 05:19 PM
- Does anyone understand this? Why would they put out such awesome devices and not make them 4G? Is it me or does it seem that each new RIM device is lacking a key component? I dont know, so many of us have been waiting, patiently I might add, for these new devices and here they are finally and without the 4G speeds.
Further, and probably more likely, the issue with true (well, as true as you can be) 4G (think LTE) is that it currently requires a different chipset. This means more space is needed in the phone alongside the fact that a different radio stack needs to be written. All of this incorporated into the phone.
More importantly on this note is that the current chipsets are horrendous at battery life. Some early reviews of Motorola's Photon 4G says the battery life is pretty good on 3G; switch to 4G and you'll drain it in a few hours. Now, while some Android users have gotten use to dragging a charger around with them everywhere, many BlackBerry owners pride themselves in having a phone that lasts them 1-2 days full use without charge.
Finally, coverage. Verizon is the only one with LTE coverage popping up....AT&T doesn't offer it yet and Sprint's would require a separate WiMax chipset.
So in short:
- Rushed to get the phones out so lack of time to properly code and test 4G chips
- Separate chipset needed so space constraints
- Battery Life is currently horrible
- Coverage just isn't there yet
I'd expect the QNX phones in Q1 2012 to have LTE as by that time, Verizon should light up 4G networks over a good portion of their network and AT&T should have a good portion of their network covered as well. Further, I hope the extensive testing along with integrated chipsets of 3G/4G coming later this year will lead to a good QNX 4G phone that still gets good battery life.08-08-11 06:19 PM
- kbz1960Doesn't Matter08-08-11 06:37 PM
True 4G as based on the protocols? No one has it.
4G as in LTE? No, the BlackBerry is not 4G.
4G as in marketing 4G as in 3.75G as in HSPA+ which is based on the 3GPP protocols? Yes, the BlackBerry supports HSPA+ up to 14.4 Mb/s08-08-11 07:23 PMLike 2
- Great summary by soccernamlak about the issues with LTE. I have an LTE hotspot the Samsung SCH-LC11 and the stock 1500 mAh battery only gets 3-4 hours of life in testing by CNET, PCMag and Laptopmag. I got the optional huge extended 4800 mAh battery and it lasts less than 11 hours. This is a hotspot running LTE and wireless n with no screen and no apps. LTE is a huge drain on battery life not to mention that it is way spottier reception than 3g. Hopefully newer devices improve on these issues.g
Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com08-08-11 08:01 PM
- Did anyone else read the article discussing how quickly 4G users will run up against the data cap? Stream a few tv shows or a couple of movies and you're there. Anyway, QNX will be here by the time 4G hits smaller urban areas like mine, and I'm baffled by people who want to watch cinema on a tiny screen. Guess I just don't get it.
Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com08-08-11 10:44 PM
This guy sums up everything you need to know, and yes, BB users do pride themselves on having a PHONE. Before smartphones, cell phones would last DAYS without charging, and that was the norm, now that Android has come into play, people feel its normal to carry a extra battery, charger, or extended battery with their phones.
Not everyone has patience, but its a good trait to have.
A rushed phone will forever be bad, but a delayed phone will eventually be good.
So when Rim (and Apple) work out the size and battery life issues of 4G, they will start to put them into their phones. Then, once carriers get 4G networks that will help too. Remember, RIM is a WORLD PHONE Maker.
I am in France, and a lot of places here don't have 3G, plain and simple. Back when I was in Detroit, 3G was just about everywhere except northern parts of Michigan.08-09-11 05:00 AM
Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com08-09-11 05:59 AM
- People are getting too caught up in these titles, 3G 4G 5G, doesn't matter what marketing people call them, you're getting much better speeds than previous generations on these new blackberries without burning through your battery, seriously, i used the browser on the 9900 and it's extremely satisfying.08-09-11 07:04 AM
Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com08-09-11 08:40 AM
- Let's not forget that RIM's market is not just a small corner of the planet that claims to have "4G". Foregoing that "4G" is not actually 4G. Most of the world markets will not be upgrading their systems for some time to come. If they produce smartphones that are global capable, "4G" means nothing.08-09-11 08:56 AM
- Let's not forget that RIM's market is not just a small corner of the planet that claims to have "4G". Foregoing that "4G" is not actually 4G. Most of the world markets will not be upgrading their systems for some time to come. If they produce smartphones that are global capable, "4G" means nothing.
Yes, Verizon 4G is really that fast!08-09-11 09:03 AM
- 08-09-11 01:09 PM
Yes, Verizon 4G is really that fast!08-09-11 01:52 PM
- Sorry, the too high a price I was talking about was the shockingly bad battery life when you use it.
My point about using higher speeds at home if I need them is that my usage patterns simply don't include anything where I would need fast than 3g or hspa speeds which are plenty fast enough for browsing, streaming etc. which would be the more data intensive things I would do as I am not going to start major downloads, torrents or anything like that on my mobile connection.08-09-11 05:28 PM
- I do agree that LTE is too fast for blackberrys and is a major vampire on the battery which is the last thing any blackberry user wants. But I do think that we could use faster speeds (or at least on verizon anyways). Our power went out earlier so I was stuck on 3g vs. my 2.6mbps wifi connection. On the 3g youtube videos were horrible quality and buffered every 30 seconds or so. On wifi it buffers about every min. to min. and a half.
I heard that other networks have faster 3g speeds, so why do we still have crippled speeds on verizon?08-09-11 07:43 PM
- The new BlackBerry's support HSDPA cat.10 & HSUPA cat.6, this means HSPA @ 14.4 Mbit/s donw & 5.76 Mbit/s up. This is HSPA, 3GPP rel.6.
HSPA+ is 3GPP rel.7, where HSDPA has been upgraded to cat.13 at least (17.6 Mbit/s down) & commonly deployed as cat.14 (21.1 Mbit/s).
The new BlackBerries are HSPA, not HSPA+.08-10-11 01:24 AM
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