Ram??

**curvezzz** · 09-07-2011, 06:47 AM

Ok RAM is where apps go correct? If so aren't I missing some mb's? For the few apps I have installed vs. The "unavailable" ones my memory is pretty low! Something also seems to be causing a memory leak, is there anyway to find which app is causing it?

Idk about the new app world UI :? Don't think I like it?!

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**osubass1** · 09-07-2011, 06:52 AM

RAM is volatile and does not store information permanently.

you're looking in the wrong section for your available RAM.

go to OPTIONS>APPLICATION MANAGEMENT
scroll over to MEMORY.

that's your RAM.

**JasW** · 09-07-2011, 06:53 AM

The first image is wrong -- the 9810 has only 512MB of RAM aka application memory, unlike the 9900/9930, which has 768MB. The OS eats up around 300 MB, so most people with a normal array of apps loaded on their 9810 start out with under 200MB. A lot of people (me, and evidently you) experience memory leak from that starting figure, so after 2-3 days or so, it drops down to around the 99.2 MB figure you show. A reboot will bring it back up closer to the starting 200MB figure.

**curvezzz** · 09-07-2011, 07:01 AM

Originally Posted by JasW

The first image is wrong -- the 9810 has only 512MB of RAM aka application memory, unlike the 9900/9930, which has 768MB. The OS eats up around 300 MB, so most people with a normal array of apps loaded on their 9810 start out with under 200MB. A lot of people (me, and evidently you) experience memory leak from that starting figure, so after 2-3 days or so, it drops down to around the 99.2 MB figure you show. A reboot will bring it back up closer to the starting 200MB figure.

Wtf?? 1st image wrong??? It came from blackberry.com! :@ I was bamboozled lol

My starting MB is about 120mb after a battery pull

and by then end of the day is at the 99mb.

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**curvezzz** · 09-07-2011, 07:03 AM

Originally Posted by osubass1

RAM is volatile and does not store information permanently.

you're looking in the wrong section for your available RAM.

go to OPTIONS>APPLICATION MANAGEMENT
scroll over to MEMORY.

that's your RAM.

Thanks, that explains the bb website screenshot discribing two different areas of the bb

still got bamboozled lol thought I had more app storage!

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**serversurfer** · 09-07-2011, 07:11 AM

Originally Posted by JasW

The first image is wrong -- the 9810 has only 512MB of RAM aka application memory, unlike the 9900/9930, which has 768MB. The OS eats up around 300 MB, so most people with a normal array of apps loaded on their 9810 start out with under 200MB. A lot of people (me, and evidently you) experience memory leak from that starting figure, so after 2-3 days or so, it drops down to around the 99.2 MB figure you show. A reboot will bring it back up closer to the starting 200MB figure.

I CANT BELIEVE THIS!!! If you are right, the Torch9810 would be the only OS7-Device with an oldfashioned 512MB-RAM.... This cant be true...
What about this review:
BlackBerry Torch 9810 Review | CrackBerry.com

**curvezzz** · 09-07-2011, 07:34 AM

Originally Posted by serversurfer

I CANT BELIEVE THIS!!! If you are right, the Torch9810 would be the only OS7-Device with an oldfashioned 512MB-RAM.... This cant be true...
What about this review:
BlackBerry Torch 9810 Review | CrackBerry.com

It has the 768 RAM BUT not 768mb for app storage :@ its 512mb jusl like the 9800. I was under the impression RIM upped the app storage but I guess not. Makes no sense to me what so ever.

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**curvezzz** · 09-07-2011, 07:41 AM

Another thing I noticed. 1st pic shows 9800 with 512mb of onboard memory vs 9810 8GB of onboard memory &4GB eMCC+4GB expandable memory inserted. Those are 2 different things! It should say 9810 has 8GB onboard vs 9800 4GB onboard memory with 4GB sd card included. I think that is where my confusion came from.

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**serversurfer** · 09-07-2011, 07:46 AM

Whatever....! For me its a "no go", when both devices (Bold9900 and Torch9810) have different RAM! It makes NO sense to me... In my opinion the belly of the Torch has enough space to squeeze further 250 MB´s into it... :-)

**JasW** · 09-07-2011, 07:57 AM

That first BB image is wacky because it says the 9800 has "512 MB onboard memory" while the 9810 has "8 GB onboard memory." The 9810 has 8 GB of internal storage, not memory (while the 9800 has 4 GB of internal storage).

The 9800 has 512 MB of RAM, while the 9810 (and the 9900) has 768 MB of RAM. A number of people (myself included) have always referred to Application Storage interchangeably as RAM. With OS 7, however, Application Storage is just a part of RAM, which can be seen from the fact that it tops out at 512 MB on all of the Application Storage displays, despite there being 768 MB of RAM.

From what I understand -- and I'm not entirely sure I do, at least perfectly -- the extra 256 MB that's unavailable for Application Storage is given over to liquid graphics and higher resolution display.

**JasW** · 09-07-2011, 08:00 AM

Originally Posted by serversurfer

Whatever....! For me its a "no go", when both devices (Bold9900 and Torch9810) have different RAM! It makes NO sense to me... In my opinion the belly of the Torch has enough space to squeeze further 250 MB´s into it... :-)

I misspoke there based upon the Application Storage displays showing only 512MB, despite there being 768MB of RAM. I would bet the the 9900 shows that same 512MB of Application Storage, despite it having 768MB of RAM.

**osubass1** · 09-07-2011, 08:03 AM

there is a lot of confusion between RAM and application memory in this thread.

RAM is random access memory. applications do NOT get loaded and stored here permanently. this is why, when you reboot, you have access to more RAM. everything stored in your RAM is only there temporarily and is lost as soon as the power is removed.

application memory is a completely different type of memory. this memory is used for long term and application storage. this memory is only affected by the removal or installation of applications.

**JasW** · 09-07-2011, 08:46 AM

Originally Posted by osubass1

there is a lot of confusion between RAM and application memory in this thread.

RAM is random access memory. applications do NOT get loaded and stored here permanently. this is why, when you reboot, you have access to more RAM. everything stored in your RAM is only there temporarily and is lost as soon as the power is removed.

application memory is a completely different type of memory. this memory is used for long term and application storage. this memory is only affected by the removal or installation of applications.

Actually, application memory -- "Application Storage" on the BB -- can and does fluctuate for reasons other than just removal and installation of apps. In more extreme cases, it drops because of what is (perhaps erroneously) referred to as "memory leaks." For example, the image in the OP's first post shows that he has 99.2 MB of Application Storage free. As he mentioned, when he reboots, that goes back to (an amazingly low) 120 MB. I can go as low as 60 MB on mine, and reboot to 164 MB.

I've never been able to figure out the interplay between "Application Storage" and "Memory." Apps (and the OS) are loaded into Memory (RAM) -- right now on my 9810, the OS is using 358.7 MB, Apps are using 106.1 MB, and there is 303.1 MB free. My Application Storage figure is 133.9 MB free, with 249.9 MB being used by the OS, 83.6 MB by Apps, and 76.4 MB being used by "Other."

Kevin's review of the 9900 -- with a response from RIM -- hasn't exactly enlightened me on this interplay:

The 768MB of RAM is up from the 512MB found on current in-market BlackBerry Smartphones, but unfortunately the user in terms of additional Application Storage doesn't realize this increased capacity. We found Application Storage Free Space out of the box to be 229.9MB (with unused languages removed), which is actually less free space than my Bold 9780 had on it when I made the switch to the 9900 (it was sitting at 242MB of free space). I reached out to RIM here to see what was eating up all this additional memory and received the following response:

The additional RAM is used to power the capabilities of Liquid Graphics and the higher resolution displays found in these BlackBerry 7 devices. The amount of free application space remaining on the device is dependent on the number of languages preloaded on the phone, applications and user data in memory. In the Applications Management screen users can manage/delete their applications as needed and delete unwanted language packs. In addition, many applications efficiently utilize both the on-device Device Memory and Media Card to store portions of the application. This is true for many of the larger, graphics intensive applications such as the 3D Roller Coaster Rush Jurassic 2 game.

**branflakes** · 09-07-2011, 01:55 PM

How osubass1 describes things is accurate for computers. How RIM is using the terminology in their ads and in the Options sections on the phone is confusing as h-e-double-hockey-sticks.

If you go into your Options-Device-Application Management, you'll see Memory, which will display the 768MB total. If you go over to Application Storage, you'll see the 512MB, of which only about 220MB seems to be available to most people, with just a stock load.

One benefit of OS7 is that apps can use some of that on-board storage space (the 8GB) to store the parts of the program that don't have to be in Application Storage. Need For Speed Shift and the 3D Roller Coaster Rush game are 2 examples. That is a benefit the 9810 has over the 9800.

I do think RIM is misleading regarding the way they touted the 9810's specs for RAM vs memory at their site. In the end, all I care about is that once all my apps are installed, I have enough App Storage left over for the phone to run smoothly. Time will tell on that. I have 35 apps right now, with at least 5 I'm waiting on OS7 updates. I had 43 on my 9800 and had no problems with how smoothly it ran (for a 9800). I'm hopeful my 9810 is up to handle even more apps on it.

With my 35 apps, I run about 163MB free. I do have a memory leak somewhere, though. I'm currently down to 152MB free today.

**DannyJK** · 09-07-2011, 03:06 PM

With all these people saying they have memory leaks its making me think. Using the 9860 as a reference as its the phone I have, It has:

768MB of RAM
768MB of App and OS Storage
4GB Onboard Storage

Now I've noticed when I go to Options > Device > Storage, under Application Storage it says right now im at 181.4MB of free space. And just before I did a battery pull I was at 111.2MB of free space. Now I thought memory leaks were limited to RAM, however I could be wrong, but If thats the case wouldnt the Application Storage under the Storage settings be the App and OS Storage? And not RAM? Therefore if thats indeed the case couldnt it be a possibility that the free space I lose between battery pulls could just be programs and the OS on the phone creating Temp files and stuff that get wiped everytime a battery pull is initiated? Just a thought... I could be way off though.

**JasW** · 09-07-2011, 03:51 PM

I'm sure that like the 9810 (and 9900), the 9860 only has 512MB of Application Storage. Go to Options > Device > Applications Management and swipe once to the right at the top of the screen to get to Applications Storage. Right next to the plus sign, it will say you have x MB used and y MB free. x + y should equal 512 MB.

**branflakes** · 09-07-2011, 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by DannyJK

With all these people saying they have memory leaks its making me think. Using the 9860 as a reference as its the phone I have, It has:

768MB of RAM
768MB of App and OS Storage
4GB Onboard Storage

Now I've noticed when I go to Options > Device > Storage, under Application Storage it says right now im at 181.4MB of free space. And just before I did a battery pull I was at 111.2MB of free space. Now I thought memory leaks were limited to RAM, however I could be wrong, but If thats the case wouldnt the Application Storage under the Storage settings be the App and OS Storage? And not RAM? Therefore if thats indeed the case couldnt it be a possibility that the free space I lose between battery pulls could just be programs and the OS on the phone creating Temp files and stuff that get wiped everytime a battery pull is initiated? Just a thought... I could be way off though.

Your theory may be correct. My only issue is that once that App Storage drops low (below 100MB), people seem to feel a lag/slowness. Makes me feel like on a computer, where the programs aren't clearing out enough of that space when they close...aka memory leak.

**DannyJK** · 09-07-2011, 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by JasW

I'm sure that like the 9810 (and 9900), the 9860 only has 512MB of Application Storage. Go to Options > Device > Applications Management and swipe once to the right at the top of the screen to get to Applications Storage. Right next to the plus sign, it will say you have x MB used and y MB free. x + y should equal 512 MB.

You are right, however I thought I saw on MeterBerry, or some program but Im pretty sure It was MeterBerry, where you were able to force the use of 768MB of application storage instead of 512MB. Wouldnt that mean it has 768MB of storage but the OS is only utilizing 512MB for whatever reason?

**tom0100** · 05-31-2012, 09:33 AM

The 9900 and the 9810 have the SAME specs. They both have 512 of "application Storage" and 768 of "RAM."

I think it is a bit deceptive of RIM but what are you to do. 512 really is barely enough to load some decent apps (most android device are 768 to 1 gig for app storage). There advertising was COMPLETELY deceptive relying on the confusion between RAM and app storage.

BUT the 9900 and 9810 are identical under the hood. The 9900 suffers from the same thing.

Originally Posted by JasW

That first BB image is wacky because it says the 9800 has "512 MB onboard memory" while the 9810 has "8 GB onboard memory." The 9810 has 8 GB of internal storage, not memory (while the 9800 has 4 GB of internal storage).

The 9800 has 512 MB of RAM, while the 9810 (and the 9900) has 768 MB of RAM. A number of people (myself included) have always referred to Application Storage interchangeably as RAM. With OS 7, however, Application Storage is just a part of RAM, which can be seen from the fact that it tops out at 512 MB on all of the Application Storage displays, despite there being 768 MB of RAM.

From what I understand -- and I'm not entirely sure I do, at least perfectly -- the extra 256 MB that's unavailable for Application Storage is given over to liquid graphics and higher resolution display.