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    Talking Pressure-sensitive capacitive screen?

    All right I'll admit I'm a fan of the SurePress screen and although I understand why RIM is phasing it out I am sorry to see it go. I can however propose an alternative: stick with using a capacitive screen but under each corner of the screen have a pressure sensor a la Nintendo's Wii Fit. This means that it can sense how hard the user is pressing the screen and trigger haptics to create the illusion of pushing a button. And the sensitivity can be adjusted or even turned off according to user preference. Thoughts?
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    I'm pretty sure RIM said SurePress is here to stay... Why do you think its getting phased out?
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    Mainly because the beta hardware that one of the other websites got (don't remember which one) was noted for not clicking.
    And this would be also a good idea because:
    A. The screen doesn't move and has no place for dirt o get inside.
    B. No moving parts, which adds to the durability of the device.
    C. Sensitivity can be adjusted or even switched off for the click-haters
    D. Because it has sensors at each corner it can approximate where your finger is and ignore accidental brushes of your left thumb while typing with your right.
    E. Also because of the sensors it will, with enough code, detect when you're pressing down the shift or alt key while typing and act even more like a regular BlackBerry keyboard.
    F. And because it can tell exactly how hard you're pressing, programmers can take advantage of that in their games or applications (eg: in a painting app soft pressing create thin lines, hard pressing create thicker lines).
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    Quote Originally Posted by drjay868 View Post
    I'm pretty sure RIM said SurePress is here to stay... Why do you think its getting phased out?
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    We definitely don't know what the deal is with the new storm as far as the screen is concerned. Who knows what RIM has up they're sleeve, i'm hoping it rocks. And personally, i like the SurePress screen myself. I think it can be improved, and maybe that's the idea this time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drjay868 View Post
    I'm pretty sure RIM said SurePress is here to stay... Why do you think its getting phased out?
    absolutelly there will be some new features of the surepress on storm2 althought whatever they call !!! they have enough complaints for surepress on storm so I think they must try some new tech to modify surepress to another way to works well and they have a rights to call it whatever they want.....I pretty sure about it ! goodluck buddy
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    Surepress remains on the Storm 2, though it's been greatly improved.
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    One other thing: When I said I thought that the Storm 2 was not supposed to be click I was recalling the article where a site (forget which one) got their hands on one and noted that it didn't click yet they were unable to get past the EULA-could it have been that the button was stuck on that prototype?
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    I thought the said the Storm 2 was gonna have TruePress and not SurePress... whatever the difference is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparro View Post
    I thought the said the Storm 2 was gonna have TruePress and not SurePress... whatever the difference is.
    That's what was rumored, but RIM's CEO has said "SurePress is here to stay."
    I guess we'll have to either wait a little more until closer to release or when it's actually released to know for sure.
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    dont like the 1st storm, it freezes and its slow, hopefully dis 1 is better, dnt like the keyboard either
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    Futurdreamz, I believe that article was from Engadget. I remembering reading that same thing...but then RIM's CEO stepped up saying SurePress was here to stay....so I guess we just have to wait and see what they come out with!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by savioAMG View Post
    That's what was rumored, but RIM's CEO has said "SurePress is here to stay."
    I guess we'll have to either wait a little more until closer to release or when it's actually released to know for sure.
    its annoying...i don't hate it tho. the screens movement causes me to mistype.
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    From this post on engadget it looks like rim axed the surepress screen


    BlackBerry Storm 2 dropping SurePress screen?

    When we brought you those exclusive Storm 2 pics and details just a short while ago, we touched upon the "new approach to text entry," but unfortunately didn't have any details. However, lightning has struck again, and our source has gotten back to let us know that the Storm 2 does indeed have a stationary screen "just like the iPhone's," which lines up with what Boy Genius Report is hearing. That's right, it looks like RIM is axing its SurePress technology in favor of a more conventional touchscreen, though our tipster says the model he has may allow for some type of haptic feedback to be enabled. This should be great news for all you folks having dust-under-screen issues on your first-gen Storms, but obviously, we'll have to wait and see until this thing gets, you know, legit.
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    Don't believe it. Since when does Engadget have more knowledge than the CEO of RIM. Besides RIM has a great deal of its reputation riding on Surepress and it is not inherently faulty. Yes there were problems with the first generation but none of the issues require abandoning the concept of Surepress. A better seal around the glass edges solves the dust problem. Redesign of the single button to more than one button with less travel distance to make contact and you can reduce the screen movement and gap to acceptable levels.

    Surepress is here to stay no matter what BG or Engadget have to say about it.
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    Take it for what it's worth but there are two Storm devices heading your way in the next couple of months but each of them will have their own 'constraints'. For obvious reasons (****ing carriers) ofcourse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Futurdreamz View Post
    One other thing: When I said I thought that the Storm 2 was not supposed to be click I was recalling the article where a site (forget which one) got their hands on one and noted that it didn't click yet they were unable to get past the EULA-could it have been that the button was stuck on that prototype?
    I think you kind of answered the question yourself there. Chances are good that what Engadget got their hands on was just a prototype. More of an overall design intent device, if you will. The screen could have been just glued on. RIM wouldn't want the new SurePress design to get leaked out this early would they? Especially not if the patent for it is still not fully secured.

    As you said, they couldn't click the "Accept" button for the EULA, so that right there points to SurePress still showing up.

    You see the same concept in, for example, Best Buy. The phones they have on display usually have all the buttons fixed. More of a plastic shell so you can get an idea of what you're buying.
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    The pictures I saw of storm 2 looked like there were still cracks around the screen, just much smaller.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zipster View Post
    I think you kind of answered the question yourself there. Chances are good that what Engadget got their hands on was just a prototype. More of an overall design intent device, if you will. The screen could have been just glued on. RIM wouldn't want the new SurePress design to get leaked out this early would they? Especially not if the patent for it is still not fully secured.

    As you said, they couldn't click the "Accept" button for the EULA, so that right there points to SurePress still showing up.

    You see the same concept in, for example, Best Buy. The phones they have on display usually have all the buttons fixed. More of a plastic shell so you can get an idea of what you're buying.
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    So what ACTUAL hardware bumps are we getting.
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    In my opinion, I think the screen for the Storm 2 will be something similar to that of a garmin gps screen. You can rub your fingers on it as much as you want, but it requires a little bit of pressure to recognize what you are trying to do. Pure observation / hope.
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    I can't see RIM dropping the click; the whole point was to provide tactile feedback to the user. No click = no feedback (unless they put in haptics; they do that and I'm looking for a different device come upgrade time instead of the S2).
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    I like the click, I hope they keep it
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    Quote Originally Posted by CB-BBuser View Post
    In my opinion, I think the screen for the Storm 2 will be something similar to that of a garmin gps screen. You can rub your fingers on it as much as you want, but it requires a little bit of pressure to recognize what you are trying to do. Pure observation / hope.
    In other words, instead of a nice, sensitive capacitive touchscreen; you'd like it if the Storm 2 were to revert to a resistive touchscreen? You do realize that resistive touchscreens are inherently dodgy in day to day use, right? (selecting things when you meant to scroll, things like that)

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