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08-25-2009, 02:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Card Storm  It electrodes like piezo, it polarizes like piezo, and it resists like piezo, it is piezo!!! |
Okay now I'm convinced! PIEZO!!! lol
So there is actually 4 Piezo sensor pads...??
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Originally Posted by TBacker The tiny grid-like circuit traces inside the red circle are traditional buttons, just mounted upside down through holes in those discs.
At the bottom (under the "grid") is a little conductive patch. When the button is pressed, the grid is pressed into the patch, shorting the grid (completing the electrical path) and sending a signal.
See my previous post for an added theoretical "edge view". | So maybe RIM has figured out a way to create electrical buttons powered by piezoelectricity.
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Originally Posted by Card Storm It electrodes like piezo, it polarizes like piezo, and it resists like piezo, it is piezo!!! | I prefer to call it "Material X" - less "it's piezo' v.s "no it's not piezo" wars that way  |
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Originally Posted by dziekank Okay now I'm convinced! PIEZO!!! lol | 
Guys Im torn, I mean It really looks like a duck, but one is in water and one is walking....But that would still make it a duck right?
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08-25-2009, 02:36 AM
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bahahaha funny guy!
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Originally Posted by Card Storm So maybe RIM has figured out a way to create electrical buttons powered by piezoelectricity. | No, I would say these are combination sensors. The standard buttons are definitely there. The discs are supplemental. They either:
Simply create a screen lock mechanism - "Material X" get's hard when there is no voltage applied.
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Serve dual purpose - harden / lock with no voltage AND sense pressure with voltage applied.
Either is possible. I have to say that the discs & material X would ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO be the way the screen gets firm when power is off. I just have no idea if they sense pressure when energized.
It would seem strange to have buttons AND pressure sensors - redundant. Nothing registers until you actually get the click of one of the regular buttons. And the touchscreen surface (digitizer) is enough to locate your finger positions, so pressure sensors aren't needed for that either.
I'm leaning towards each pad being a regular button with a power-off lock. BUT, there is the possibility that you could adjust the screens click-firmness by adjusting the voltage to those discs!
Hmmm.....
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Originally Posted by TBacker No, I would say these are combination sensors. The standard buttons are definitely there. The discs are supplemental. They either:
1. Simply create a screen lock mechanism - "Material X" get's hard when there is no voltage applied.
2. Serve dual purpose - harden / lock with no voltage AND sense pressure with voltage applied.
Either is possible. I have to say that the discs & material X would ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO be the way the screen gets firm when power is off. I just have no idea if they sense pressure when energized.
It would seem strange to have buttons AND pressure sensors - redundant. Nothing registers until you actually get the click of one of the regular buttons. And the touchscreen surface (digitizer) is enough to locate your finger positions, so pressure sensors aren't needed for that either. | Maybe this is a hybrid between what S1 is and what S3 will be.
I had this theory that
S1-one button
S2-4 buttons +piezo hybrid
S3-no buttons+piezo+X
But that is just a theory.
I guess I see it as a three part movie.
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Look guys all we have to is ask KEVIN he was the first to mention Piezo in his podcast so someone must of hintd him in that direction
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Thanks, Kevin. Helpful information as I continue to ponder my next BB purchase.
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| | piezo feedback
Those 4 'buttons' in the corner of the display are in fact piezo actuators that vibrate the screen. The haptics is not actually localized, but will feel that way. The Motorola Rokr E8 had a very similar design.
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Originally Posted by the-hood Those 4 'buttons' in the corner of the display are in fact piezo actuators that vibrate the screen. The haptics is not actually localized, but will feel that way. The Motorola Rokr E8 had a very similar design. | I know!!!!!! What others have inputed along with things Ive found lead to me beleive that there is no way that isnt piezo.
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I'll laugh if RIM comes out and says those are just aluminum washers used as space fillers around the same button mechanism used in the S1, lol.
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Originally Posted by TallyHo I'll laugh if RIM comes out and says those are just aluminum washers used as space fillers around the same button mechanism used in the S1, lol. | I'd be pissed.
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I wonder if RIM engineers are reading this and laughing their azzes off.
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I'm not a rim engineer and I'm lmao at how speculation on the screen has some in a tizzy. You'd think actual breasts popped out when you clicked it. Lol
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