Nanotechnology piezoelectronics will make self-powered devices possible

**Card Storm** · 08-27-2009, 03:34 PM

Nanotechnology piezoelectronics will make self-powered devices possible

Article came out not to shortly after storm 1. Interesting stuff.

New Theory:

Maybe the "surprise" isn't just the typing itself, but the fact that you would type on the screen and it charges from utilizing energy produced from the pressure you apply. This may be a little far fetched but it really shouldn't be a big shocker when and if nano piezo tech is confirmed to us. Eventually it was going to hit cell market and RIM got their hands on it first. I really think this phone might be a revolutionary device. It would make since why it needs its own OS. A lot of people have stated they believe a lot of this new hardware won't fully be explained because the software has a big part to play in this new tech. If this is so, then I suspect people will be dropping their iphones, storms 1s, tours, loved ones etc.... To get this phone. Eventually this tech is going to be released in a device. The question is is Odin that device.

**storm9520** · 08-27-2009, 03:45 PM

that is really cool. if i could recharge my storm everytime i typed, that would be sick. plus it would give me a reason to type more. lol

**Card Storm** · 08-27-2009, 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by storm9520

that is really cool. if i could recharge my storm everytime i typed, that would be sick. plus it would give me a reason to type more. lol

Funny thing is that's all you would need to power that technology according to the proffessors findings.

**redwanhuq** · 08-28-2009, 09:29 AM

This is not revolutionary technology. Piezo materials have existed for AWHILE now. A cigarette lighter uses piezoelectricity

**haadah** · 08-28-2009, 11:18 AM

Piezo/nano induction has been used in wireless light switches for some time, although it has nothing to do with nanotechnology.

The concept is/was that the displacement generated when one pushes the switch will induce a current that is enough for a wireless transmitter to send some bits of information wirelessly to a receiver that carries out a predefined task.

**Card Storm** · 08-29-2009, 12:41 AM

Originally Posted by haadah

Piezo/nano induction has been used in wireless light switches for some time, although it has nothing to do with nanotechnology.

The concept is/was that the displacement generated when one pushes the switch will induce a current that is enough for a wireless transmitter to send some bits of information wirelessly to a receiver that carries out a predefined task.

That is very interesting. I mean it does use the same technology. This could possibly be rims secret.

**digital_cataclysm** · 08-29-2009, 12:48 AM

Maybe they should start building Faraday induction coils into future blackberrys too. Battery dead? But you need to send an eMail, and your miles from a store or an outlet?
Shake it like one of those self-powered flashlights. Done.

**blaisedinsd** · 08-29-2009, 12:51 AM

Never happen...the Baroness and Storm Shadow could weaponize it too easily.....

**snowindec9** · 08-29-2009, 12:53 AM

this is very intriguing. it can be like cars powered without gasoline.

**NorCalStorm** · 08-29-2009, 01:43 AM

Honestly think you guys making it more than it really is. I bet its much simpler. But the theories brings the best out of us. Your ideas will be better than actual concept the S2 will have. I love it. Go work for RIM.

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**haadah** · 08-29-2009, 03:08 AM

Originally Posted by Digital_Cataclysm

Maybe they should start building Faraday induction coils into future blackberrys too. Battery dead? But you need to send an eMail, and your miles from a store or an outlet?
Shake it like one of those self-powered flashlights. Done.

Why not make a battery charger then? the inducing circuit would make the phone bulky and no one wants that....

If RIM uses piezo technology in instead of electromagnetic buttons then the life expectancy of the screen is very short because piezo-crystals tend to be fragile. Either way the S2 will be a step further towards real tactile feedback....

**Roose00** · 08-29-2009, 08:55 AM

It just better work.for a while too. Lol

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**Card Storm** · 08-29-2009, 10:51 AM

RIM is not know for high faulty hardware and exploding devices so I'm sure it will last

**haadah** · 08-29-2009, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by Card Storm

RIM is not know for high faulty hardware and exploding devices so I'm sure it will last

I was not referring to whether the quality of RIM devices but piezo-crystals in general. The crystals simply break over time because of the stress they endure - it's a lot like metal fatigue, something that is natural and will occur no matter what precautions you take. The crystals will eventually be useless, the life depends solely on type(composition) and structure.

**Card Storm** · 08-29-2009, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by haadah

I was not referring to whether the quality of RIM devices but piezo-crystals in general. The crystals simply break over time because of the stress they endure - it's a lot like metal fatigue, something that is natural and will occur no matter what precautions you take. The crystals will eventually be useless, the life depends solely on type(composition) and structure.

The thing your forgetting is that piezo crystals aren't the only piezo material.........

**crackzilla** · 08-30-2009, 01:25 AM

Odin wont be the device unfortunately. This technology is currently in developemental stages and may be actually hitting the market officially in 2011/2012. Good forward -thinking post.

**Card Storm** · 08-30-2009, 01:35 AM

Lol Thanks Cracky. Yeah I honestly dont think it will self power. But could be instore for Storm 3! This might be the beginning stages of that movement. Starting with basic piezo additions(the resistors)

**haadah** · 08-30-2009, 02:06 AM

Originally Posted by Card Storm

The thing your forgetting is that piezo crystals aren't the only piezo material.........

I think you misunderstood me when i wrote piezo-crystal, to take advantage of piezoelectricity you will have to use crystals(crystal as in physics, not the everyday use of the word) - so all piezomaterials are crystals in one way or other. The good thing about piezomaterials is that to some extent one can engineer the material from scratch so that the desired properties are present - as i said before the only problem is that eventually the material will suffer from something like metal fatigue, when this happens depends on how the material is made and what properties it has; so RIM could make a very simple piezomaterial that has high resilience as base property and few other minor properties though even then they can't get rid of the fatigue like state.

**Card Storm** · 08-30-2009, 02:21 AM

Originally Posted by haadah

I think you misunderstood me when i wrote piezo-crystal, to take advantage of piezoelectricity you will have to use crystals(crystal as in physics, not the everyday use of the word) - so all piezomaterials are crystals in one way or other. The good thing about piezomaterials is that to some extent one can engineer the material from scratch so that the desired properties are present - as i said before the only problem is that eventually the material will suffer from something like metal fatigue, when this happens depends on how the material is made and what properties it has; so RIM could make a very simple piezomaterial that has high resilience as base property and few other minor properties though even then they can't get rid of the fatigue like state.

Ofcourse but that happens with everything....its called wear and tear.

Piezo is used in calculators which last a pretty long time. its how you apply it. In RIMs case they are using nano piezo technology.

Not necessarily the kind that self powers the device, but they are definitely using nano piezo there is no other item to explain the structures on that device im almost 100 percent positive thats what it is. Im telling you RIM found a cheap way to use piezo nano tech to a simplified form..... just watch. youll see.

**Radius** · 08-30-2009, 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by haadah

I think you misunderstood me when i wrote piezo-crystal, to take advantage of piezoelectricity you will have to use crystals(crystal as in physics, not the everyday use of the word) - so all piezomaterials are crystals in one way or other. The good thing about piezomaterials is that to some extent one can engineer the material from scratch so that the desired properties are present - as i said before the only problem is that eventually the material will suffer from something like metal fatigue, when this happens depends on how the material is made and what properties it has; so RIM could make a very simple piezomaterial that has high resilience as base property and few other minor properties though even then they can't get rid of the fatigue like state.

The tendons in your body are not crystals, and they are piezo materials. Same with your bones.

**haadah** · 08-31-2009, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by Radius

The tendons in your body are not crystals, and they are piezo materials. Same with your bones.

Could you give me a source?(Wikipedia is not a scientific resource/reference) I work with solid state physics daily and have never heard of this before....