Am I missing something with the Odins screen?

[Card Storm]

Ok so we've established how the hardware works and how you interact with the screen usisng piezoelectric. But I still dont understand how exactly you feel the click. Is it when you disrupt the electro field that the bottom layer stiffens under your finger each time when you press the screen? It seems the new video didnt cover the whole mechanical side of things. Is there indeed suspension technology that is pulsing your finger each time you press a key???

Also, are they still using the heat grid on the screen?

[Sorrows]

By heat grid do you mean being able to highlight something without selecting it? If so, yes, you could see that when he was moving around the home screen.

As far as the other part, I don't really know how it works, I just know it looks frakking SWEET

[BlameMyEquilibrium]

Originally Posted by Card Storm

It seems the new video didnt cover the whole mechanical side of things.

I doubt anyone can really show the whole mechanical side of it, besides Piezo.

[cdaiscool]

Heat grid = capacitive? I'm betting they are. It's a lot better, a lot faster response as well. Plus, that is what the patent was applied for.

As far as the clicking, my guess is the thing does something somewhere else where it just is software-based. The piezoelectronics send the current, which activates a 'click'.

I can't see how it would be near your finger. Perhaps RIM can release a white paper about this?

[Card Storm]

Originally Posted by BlameMyEquilibrium

I doubt anyone can really show the whole mechanical side of it, besides Piezo.

well not really show the whole side, but explain how you actually feel the haptic feedback.

[Card Storm]

Originally Posted by cdaiscool

Heat grid = capacitive? I'm betting they are. It's a lot better, a lot faster response as well. Plus, that is what the patent was applied for.

As far as the clicking, my guess is the thing does something somewhere else where it just is software-based. The piezoelectronics send the current, which activates a 'click'.

I can't see how it would be near your finger. Perhaps RIM can release a white paper about this?

Well the thing is, the grid sensorys (which you can see tilted in sunlight) seemed too far apart, I wonder if they made more closer together to produce more accuracy.

[cdaiscool]

Perhaps this was because of the piezoelectric set-up? Perhaps the grid isn't really the capacitive set-up, but the haptic feedback?

I don't know much about capacitive screens other than brochure information, but I wonder if that's a possibility...

[n0t0ryus1]

Yea im still confused after that video. Its like whatever is under the glass becomes spongy when a current runs through it....yet it still clicks?

[smhall]

we must be misssing something.... Is the screen glass? If so, how would multi-press work? doesn't clicking two places at once imply a flexible screen?

[RicanMedic78]

there's only so much that can be explained in the video. Sal did a great job with the format he had. I think we can take from it that it will be a semi soft screen when the phone is on, making it able to be pressed in in the specific areas you press down, like pressing a sponge (or posterpedic type foam). He placed the plastic over the sponge to demonstrate the coating that will be over the surface. But at the end of the day, I think its easy to understand the idea. Its just that since its something completely new, we need to actually click it to feel satisfied

[Zipster]

The "heat grid" thing really drives me nuts sometimes...

There is no such thing as a "heat grid" sensor for touchscreens.

Capacitive screens work by producing a certain charge over the entire screen through those points that you see when you tilt it at a certain angle.

Your finger contains a certain charge to it and when you put it on top of the screen, it disrupts the uniform charge already there. The sensors pick that up and register where your finger is.

If the screen worked off of a "heat sensor", then it would be randomly selecting things as the ambient air temperature changed.

[mikestorm]

Card Storm has a point.

The does give us an idea how the screen works and what it feels like, but where I get lost is I don't see how such an interface will significantly improve typing. I'm not saying it won't, I just don't see the cause positively contributing to the effect.

[Zipster]

Originally Posted by mikestorm

Card Storm has a point.

The does give us an idea how the screen works and what it feels like, but where I get lost is I don't see how such an interface will significantly improve typing. I'm not saying it won't, I just don't see the cause positively contributing to the effect.

As the video showed, you can click in one place and hold and then when you press down on another place it'll register another click. What this means is a vast improvement in typing speed.

On the current Storm, you must wait for the whole screen to come back up before pressing down to register another press, as there is only 1 button under the screen. So there is a physical limit to how fast you can type.

The Storm 2's screen does not need this wait, as there are multiple sensors behind the screen. This allows you to press one key and then go on to press another key without having to wait for the whole screen to come back up. Thus the screen will offer no physical limit to how fast you can type.

[RicanMedic78]

Originally Posted by Zipster

As the video showed, you can click in one place and hold and then when you press down on another place it'll register another click. What this means is a vast improvement in typing speed.

On the current Storm, you must wait for the whole screen to come back up before pressing down to register another press, as there is only 1 button under the screen. So there is a physical limit to how fast you can type.

The Storm 2's screen does not need this wait, as there are multiple sensors behind the screen. This allows you to press one key and then go on to press another key without having to wait for the whole screen to come back up. Thus the screen will offer no physical limit to how fast you can type.

yea, and whoever flamed on me when I said the storm 1 did not have multi touch capability needs to come back on here and apologize!!!

And I dont even own a storm!!!

[Zipster]

Originally Posted by RicanMedic78

yea, and whoever flamed on me when I said the storm 1 did not have multi touch capability needs to come back on here and apologize!!!

And I dont even own a storm!!!

I would consider this a "multipress" thing more than multitouch. As it stands, the Storm does have "multitouch", in places like texts, e-mail, and the latest Facebook app.

For e-mail and texts, you use two touches to highlight the start and end of your selection. Facebook uses two touches to define the box you want to use to zoom in on a picture. As you drag your fingers away from each other, the box grows and vice versa.

And the copy / paste function is based off of multitouch too. You touch the beginning, hold, then touch the end of your selection with another finger and it'll pick up all the text in-between.

EDIT:

Here's a really old video showing off how you use multitouch to copy / paste.

YouTube - BlackBerry Storm Copy + Paste - iPhone still can't do it!