1. kidkamel's Avatar
    I've searched the forums but after searching through a few pages figured I'll just ask.

    I just purchased a 16gb micro sdhc and transferred all my stuff from my 8gb. With my 8gb it states 7.9gb on the storm which I can deal with that but with the 16gb it shows 14.9gb. Where did the 1.1gb go?
    01-08-10 06:51 PM
  2. amavit's Avatar
    Information cache?

    Usually there's a good gig missing, you don't get the whole quantity. I've noticed the bigger the memory, the less you initially get.

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    01-08-10 06:59 PM
  3. Gnomad's Avatar
    Basically it is because manufacturers sell a 1gb as 1,000,000,000 bytes when in reality a gigabyte is actually 1,073,741,824, so a 16gb card is (16x1,000,000,000)/1,073,741,824=14.9gb
    01-08-10 07:13 PM
  4. jayharper08's Avatar
    Basically it is because manufacturers sell a 1gb as 1,000,000,000 bytes when in reality a gigabyte is actually 1,073,741,824, so a 16gb card is (16x1,000,000,000)/1,073,741,824=14.9gb
    What he said. Lol.

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    01-08-10 07:56 PM
  5. amavit's Avatar
    Basically it is because manufacturers sell a 1gb as 1,000,000,000 bytes when in reality a gigabyte is actually 1,073,741,824, so a 16gb card is (16x1,000,000,000)/1,073,741,824=14.9gb
    lol that's a lot smarter sounding than my explanation
    01-08-10 08:10 PM
  6. DUKDIKz's Avatar
    yea,,its always missing a GB
    01-08-10 08:16 PM
  7. stillborn86's Avatar
    Basically it is because manufacturers sell a 1gb as 1,000,000,000 bytes when in reality a gigabyte is actually 1,073,741,824, so a 16gb card is (16x1,000,000,000)/1,073,741,824=14.9gb
    And I've always wondered what the he|| was going on here...
    01-08-10 09:12 PM
  8. tony bag o donuts's Avatar
    its like a 150gb hard drive....its really 139gb after formatting, etc.
    01-08-10 09:22 PM
  9. xsilverbackx's Avatar
    its because 1gb is actually 1024kb not 1000, all the 24's add up
    01-09-10 04:32 AM
  10. tony bag o donuts's Avatar
    its because 1gb is actually 1024kb not 1000, all the 24's add up
    * 1 MB = 1024kb......
    1GB = 1 million kb.
    01-09-10 09:29 AM
  11. kidkamel's Avatar
    Thanks everyone for the input, I have no choice but to deal with a 14.9gb.

    Thanks
    01-09-10 11:08 AM
  12. buxleyp's Avatar
    * 1 MB = 1024kb......
    1GB = 1 million kb.
    ... Almost

    Standard computer notation:
    1 MB = 1,024 KB
    1 GB = 1,024 MB = 1,048,576 KB

    The 1 GB = 1 million is sleezy manufacturer notation
    01-09-10 11:36 AM
  13. IanWood62's Avatar
    ...
    The 1 GB = 1 million is sleezy manufacturer notation

    Technically that is not true. Giga, has always meant 1 billion bytes, long before computers were around. Only when the first computers came out did they erroneously select 1024 to be 1 kilobytes (because it was close to 1000).

    The 16 GB for a memory card, as holding 1 billion bytes is correct. The 14.9 should be shown by the phone, or any computer, as 14.9 GiB (or Gibi-bytes). Don't believe me, do a search for IEEE and Gibi.

    Science has always used the base 10 math (i.e. K = 1000, M = 1,000,000, G = 1,000,000,000). Computers use the Base 2 math, thus KiB = 1024, MiB = 1,048,576, etc.).

    There is no "space" as someone put it. It's all there, just different base mathematics used.
    01-09-10 04:10 PM
  14. tony bag o donuts's Avatar
    ... Almost

    Standard computer notation:
    1 MB = 1,024 KB
    1 GB = 1,024 MB = 1,048,576 KB

    The 1 GB = 1 million is sleezy manufacturer notation
    yeah but its splitting hairs....
    01-09-10 04:29 PM
  15. tony bag o donuts's Avatar
    Technically that is not true. Giga, has always meant 1 billion bytes, long before computers were around. Only when the first computers came out did they erroneously select 1024 to be 1 kilobytes (because it was close to 1000).

    The 16 GB for a memory card, as holding 1 billion bytes is correct. The 14.9 should be shown by the phone, or any computer, as 14.9 GiB (or Gibi-bytes). Don't believe me, do a search for IEEE and Gibi.

    Science has always used the base 10 math (i.e. K = 1000, M = 1,000,000, G = 1,000,000,000). Computers use the Base 2 math, thus KiB = 1024, MiB = 1,048,576, etc.).

    There is no "space" as someone put it. It's all there, just different base mathematics used.
    welcome to crackberry.....
    01-09-10 04:30 PM
  16. IanWood62's Avatar
    welcome to crackberry.....
    Thanks Tony. I've been a lurker since I got my storm, back in April, but just couldn't resist replying to this discussion. The idea of GB vs GiB s a pet peave of mine, since I deal with that stuff all the time at work!
    01-09-10 06:30 PM
  17. tony bag o donuts's Avatar
    yeah I just used a few gb today....I have 32gb in cards for my cameras which get me through a wedding....
    01-09-10 06:35 PM
  18. paulkalman's Avatar
    16 billion bytes = about 14.6 gb, because there are 1024 bytes in one kilobyte, there part of your "loss, also, formatting uses a small portion as well
    01-09-10 06:42 PM
  19. buxleyp's Avatar
    Technically that is not true. Giga, has always meant 1 billion bytes, long before computers were around.
    Since you're arguing semantics, I think you meant the prefix Giga existed before computers. The notion of a "byte" did not exist "long before computers were around."

    Nevertheless, I stand by my previous statement. It's to the benefit of hard drive manufacturers to use SI base 10 notation because it allows them to advertise a seemingly "larger" and simpler (lots of nice 0's) number in their marketing. It's been their practice long before the IEC defined Gibi, hence why I called it sleazy.

    Apple in Snow Leopard switched to base 10, but until Microsoft, RIM, and most everyone else in the computer software world switches, you'll still have confusion like the OP experienced.
    01-09-10 07:27 PM
  20. IanWood62's Avatar
    Since you're arguing semantics, I think you meant the prefix Giga existed before computers. The notion of a "byte" did not exist "long before computers were around."

    Nevertheless, I stand by my previous statement. It's to the benefit of hard drive manufacturers to use SI base 10 notation because it allows them to advertise a seemingly "larger" and simpler (lots of nice 0's) number in their marketing. It's been their practice long before the IEC defined Gibi, hence why I called it sleazy.

    Apple in Snow Leopard switched to base 10, but until Microsoft, RIM, and most everyone else in the computer software world switches, you'll still have confusion like the OP experienced.
    Ahhhh, yes you are correct, on how long Giga has been around... My bad!!!!

    Mostly the drive specs on packaging is driven by the Marketing folks, who have to pass it by legal, who enforces that Scientific Giga = 1,000,000,000.

    I agree that either the manufacturers/software vendors need to update their software to use base 10 math, or they need to update it, to show the capacity using the GiB, TiB, prefixes.
    01-09-10 08:15 PM
  21. kidkamel's Avatar
    MODs I got my answer I think you can close the Thread
    01-10-10 02:14 AM
  22. pokerpro's Avatar
    That was a question I had as well thanks for asking
    01-10-10 02:16 AM
  23. Lurch81#AC's Avatar
    what about my 8gb only showing 1.8 after formatting? its an 8gb micro sdhc sandisk and i put it in brand new formatted and it shows 1.8 like its a 2gb card
    02-06-10 11:46 PM
  24. tony bag o donuts's Avatar
    what about my 8gb only showing 1.8 after formatting? its an 8gb micro sdhc sandisk and i put it in brand new formatted and it shows 1.8 like its a 2gb card
    Lurch what device do u have? I'm mobile and can't see. Format it in a pc using a card reader first and see if it still says 1.8gb

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    02-07-10 07:33 AM
  25. Lurch81#AC's Avatar
    Using a storm 9530 I don't have a card reader

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    02-07-10 10:45 AM
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