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Q10 Carrier Testing?
I just found this article saying that "the device hasn't even entered testing on at least one of the UK's major networks", i.e, at the only major network wired.co.uk asked / got an answer. It made me wondering how much carrier testing is actually necessary for the Q10. All the network relevant hardware and software such as radio chip and radio stack implementation is equal to the tested and approved Z10, aren't they? Maybe the antenna is shaped a bit differently due to the different size of the device and thus the metal frame including it but does that justify requiring an entirely new testing process? They didn't test the black and the white Z10 separately either (at least in my opinion) ...
I keep hoping for a soon launch.
- 02-12-13, 11:02 AM #2
Well i talked to verizon today and they said its coming soon but RIM hasn't even given them a release date yet so it is up to RIM when it is to be released. Crazy waiting game!
- 02-12-13, 11:28 AM #3
Yes waiting is crazy for sure. There will be a small BB10 launch event in germany next week and I just hope we'll get some positive information about the Q10 availability there.
- 02-13-13, 01:07 PM #6
Just a hypothesis: Carrier testing is not really testing the phone to see if it works properly with the carrier. It's locking the phone, loading on carrier bloatware, and going through all sorts of tests to ensure that it's not too easy to bypass the SIM lock or remove the bloatware. I formed this hypothesis from the fact that Verizon loves to lock bootloaders on Android phones, and some Sony Ericsson android phones sold by Canadian carriers have been rejecting SIM unlock codes and need more low-level interaction (testpoint, etc) to unlock. Also very few phones can be SIM unlocked purely by software - likely due to carrier intervention.
I have lived in both Canada and the US, and brought in unlocked phones from abroad, and some of them were never even sold in North America. They have all worked perfectly fine on the major GSM carriers on this continent. At worst, some unlocked smartphones may need the APN to be manually entered, but that's an easy step and carriers often give the procedure on their website anyway. With regards to call quality, signal strength, etc, there's zero issue bringing in an unlocked phone that wasn't "tested" by the carrier. The only thing to worry about is frequency support, for example an AWS-only phone won't work on AT&T's HSPA, but that's beyond either party's control and the buyer should do his homework beforehand.
In fact, there are Americans who have imported and unlocked BB Z10s from Canada or the UK, and their phones are working fine, as should be the case. After all, in much of Europe and Asia people just buy handsets outright and choose the provider later (their monthly plans are MUCH cheaper than ours, offsetting the higher upfront cost in the long run), and don't have any issues, despite the providers not "testing" most of the phones.
As for the Q10's delay, the main reason is to give devs time to optimize their apps for the different screen. That's RIM's fault, yes. However, the US will probably get it late again because of what I described above.
- 02-13-13, 02:16 PM #7
The money is the motive
- 02-17-13, 05:55 AM #9
- 02-17-13, 06:01 AM #10
One thing to bear in mind with the q10, for all those locations that took the LTE version of the z10, testing is going to be simplified since most of the hardware is identical and it will not be the first bb10 device they will have tested either so this scaremongering about not seeing a q10 until q3 just seems highly unlikely.
- 02-18-13, 12:57 AM #13
- 02-18-13, 12:59 AM #14
- 02-18-13, 01:38 AM #15
- 02-18-13, 01:49 AM #16
Q10 Carrier Testing?
The delay of the Q10 is more to do with getting the OS and apps ready and not so much about Carriers this and Carriers that.
These people who blog these articles never cease to amaze me with the extreme levels of ignorance.
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- 02-18-13, 07:45 AM #17
- 02-18-13, 09:59 AM #20
I really don't care when it releases in other countries. For some damn reason the US gets the short end of the stick and that's where they get most of their profit is here and yet we the LAST to get it.
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Again another dumb move, I don't buy the BS excuse given by Thor "oh well we know how to make keyboards so we went touch firrrrst cuz it's harder" (Arnold Schwarzenegger voice) #1. Don't ****in lie just say you fired a bunch of ppl and you didn't have the manpower to get both done at the same time. #2 How hard is it really the Q is a cleaner 9900. I'm desperately waiting for the q10 because my productivity has been a net increase of zero true there is no more typing then some ******* clock would appear out of no where for like 2mins but typing on the z10 is annoying for me at least. So it's basically a wash or slight improvement in terms of getting **** done. With the q10 A LOT of ppl will see a huge jump in productivity again. BTW before ppl say I'm too negative a **** remember they had two years to make these phones and I'm sure stuff was in development before that. So demand more my friends!
- 02-18-13, 10:21 AM #23
- 02-18-13, 10:43 AM #24
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