- Ok. So just because you've used a BlackBerry since their black and white screen phones you think you are entitled to ridicule the people who got BB10 just because of the OS?
As far as "Android is the future" comment goes, I can just LOL at that.
BB10 as a platform is doing much more than you think it is. You're looking at the wrong place.
I do agree that BlackBerry is not abandoning anybody! There are many here who just assume that. It's a good strategic decision if they can execute it.
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I bought the Z10, Q10, Z30, Leap and Passport, my daily driver, only because of BB10
Posted via CB10D3C0D3R likes this.09-19-15 10:31 AMLike 1 - Here's the thing I want to point out as food for thought - when BlackBerry 10 was released, there were a noticeable amount of legacy users who were trashing BlackBerry 10 as being so terrible as an upgrade option, that they would rather switch to iOS or Android than BlackBerry 10.
I used to say - well these people are pretty moronic because if they thought BlackBerry 10 was a huge departure from legacy OS that they'd rather jump ship, iOS and Android were even WORSE if you compare them to legacy software.
The colors and over aesthetic design of BlackBerry 10 is professional in comparison to apple and Google, which are cartoonish - however, this is not important but just a bonus to me.
Truth is, BlackBerry 10 was the closest thing to the legacy OS in terms of messaging and productivity - yes, it didn't do things exactly the same as legacy users were used to, but it was a lot closer than any apple or Google device.
Well, now that BlackBerry has created the BlackBerry experience suite with the HUB, universal search, and basically the best features of BlackBerry 10, I can now see the point of jumping to android instead of BlackBerry 10 if they hate bb10 so much.
That said, BlackBerry 10 user experience with peek and flow and gestures really is way ahead of the competition but sadly their ecosystem was their Achilles heel.
Anyway, I think Android done by BlackBerry is going to be superior to BlackBerry 10 if you need the full smartphone experience (apps, camera, etc).
But if you only need messaging, I still think BlackBerry 10 is the best out there if only for the peek and flow which appears to be the only differentiating factor now from Android.
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BB10 isn't being abandoned. Not with the certifications and government security clearances it has but they don't have the resources to keep it as a consumer os. Hopefully it does get the qnx hypervision so people who prefer it can continue using it as a consumer os.
Posted via CB10ayngling likes this.09-19-15 11:22 AMLike 1 - TL;DR: 1) by showing the world that BlackBerry is still relevant and will not disappear, they can work to slowly convert people to BB10, 2) BB10 is good enough as is to last awhile without much cost
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I'll try. BB10 is stable and fairly feature complete for it to live in its current form for awhile, at least for people using it as a COBO device with little use of consumer apps. The android runtime will have to disappear from new versions of the os due to contractual obligations from Google, but that is a cost we have to bear for BlackBerry to continue in the handset business, so it is not a loss (no new handsets would be worse).
If this secured android is a success, BlackBerry will have re-branded itself as a company that is still relevant. This means more opportunities for partnerships, carrier marketing etc. A stable presence in the market means more people will be comfortable doing business with BlackBerry, as big companies do not like the risk of a supplier that may go out of business.
Once BlackBerry can loose the image of a dinosaur, they can start developing BB10 again, and promote it as an alternative. Developers can be convinced, or bribed, to develop enterprise and consumer apps for BB10, and they can slowly build a following.
It depends on Blackberrys track record. If the next dozen exploits affect every other Android vendor but them, they can market the hell out of that and sales will take off (at a premium, to boot).
If they have the exact same exploits, they'll need to keep harping on BB10 security benefits.
So if BlackBerry android secured beats mainstream, BB10 will not continue. It really comes down to how well BlackBerry can show up Google on the security front.
Posted via CB1009-19-15 11:29 AMLike 0 - Sorry, what does this refer to? I wrote a big block of text, it is hard to guess which part you are referring to (there are more than one part, so it cannot be all of it).
I was answering a specific question someone posted, about how BB10 would benefit from BlackBerry successfully selling android devices, from a post by B1aze. I feel your answer just gave me some reasons why it would be good with Android.
I agree with all your points, apart from it killing off BB10. I really hope it will be much more secure than the competition, but there are so many good reasons to own your own OS and app store that I believe BlackBerry will keep at it, albeit slowly. Making Android as secure and certified as BB10 sounds way too costly when they already have done this for their own OS, and all devices at that threat level will be COBO anyway.
I believe BlackBerry will sell android handsets for everybody wanting BYOD devices and BB10 for anyone needing ultra-secure and certified COBO.09-19-15 12:39 PMLike 0 -
If BlackBerry Android is successful (I.e., makes them some money) I think it'll be full speed ahead with Android, and BB10 will soon be a memory. That's not my preferred scenario, but that's what recent years have taught me to expect.09-19-15 12:55 PMLike 0 - Yeah, but those 6 different BB10 devices enjoy a 0.10-0.15% market share... and Android has over 80% global market share. The Venice doesn't have to be "a hit in the consumer market," it just has to sell better than those 6 BB10 devices combined. And that is a really low bar.09-19-15 01:00 PMLike 0
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Android is indeed open source. Google Play Services are not.09-19-15 01:07 PMLike 0 - You know, this is similar to that I believed when the Android runtime for BB10 was first revealed. It would give them time to convey people to "pure" BB10. It didn't happen, and I don't think it'll happen this time either.
If BlackBerry Android is successful (I.e., makes them some money) I think it'll be full speed ahead with Android, and BB10 will soon be a memory. That's not my preferred scenario, but that's what recent years have taught me to expect.09-19-15 01:28 PMLike 0 - Android is cheap to maintain. The chipset drivers already exist and most of the work is done by others. BlackBerry just adds there own touches like the hub which was being created for all android and ios devices anyway. It's no where close to maintaining bb10 where all the drivers have to be created.
BB10 isn't being abandoned. Not with the certifications and government security clearances it has but they don't have the resources to keep it as a consumer os. Hopefully it does get the qnx hypervision so people who prefer it can continue using it as a consumer os.
Samsung is not in a very good shape with its phone business, although they sell millins and millions of phones, and although Android is
allegedly cheap to maintain. Their margins are quite low, and if their sales numbers begin to weaken just a tiny little bit, they will be in trouble.
Noka & Symbian died, although Symbian was very mature and didn't need a lot of attention (providing the theory of some here is correct that a mature OS doesn't need a lot of attention and therefore is cheap). Meegoo etc. attempts also failed, as they never became profitable, beside an already weakening platform.
Then Nokia & WP died, although the OS development portion was 'outsourced' to Microsoft, as they didn't sell enough to regain a significant market share and to make enough money.
Now MS/former Nokia & WP struggle big time, as they too don't sell enough....see above. How long is MS going to continue funding this, just to keep their ecosystem story alive? Didn't they already move lots of development resources to other, more profitable branches?
Apple has only one OS platform, and earns lots of money, but only because their huge user base is ready to pay their gigantic margins. This user base, that nobody else has, seems to be very faithful, but this can change quickly (see the Nokia & BB etc. examples).
How many tens of millions of Android phones will BB have to sell each quarter, at very decent margins, in order to make this business profitable, and, in addition to that, to fund BB10 OS AND device development? This would have to be a VERY high number of Android sliders, which is possible (and desirable), but not very likely to happen.
So either BB is playing an incredibly risky game, that so far no other technology giant succeeded in, or the weaker selling product line will have to die (while dying doesn't mean those phones will stop working instantly, but no more significant upgrades will happen, and the user base will driy out within 2 or 3 years). I do not see an alternative option.
And after all of that, I hope I'm wrong, and that JC has found the philosophers' stone of how to make such a model work.09-19-15 01:29 PMLike 0 - Samsung is not in a very good shape with its phone business, although they sell millins and millions of phones, and although Android is
allegedly cheap to maintain. Their margins are quite low, and if their sales numbers begin to weaken just a tiny little bit, they will be in trouble.
Noka & Symbian died, although Symbian was very mature and didn't need a lot of attention (providing the theory of some here is correct that a mature OS doesn't need a lot of attention and therefore is cheap). Meegoo etc. attempts also failed, as they never became profitable, beside an already weakening platform.
Then Nokia & WP died, although the OS development portion was 'outsourced' to Microsoft, as they didn't sell enough to regain a significant market share and to make enough money.
Now MS/former Nokia & WP struggle big time, as they too don't sell enough....see above. How long is MS going to continue funding this, just to keep their ecosystem story alive? Didn't they already move lots of development resources to other, more profitable branches?
Apple has only one OS platform, and earns lots of money, but only because their huge user base is ready to pay their gigantic margins. This user base, that nobody else has, seems to be very faithful, but this can change quickly (see the Nokia & BB etc. examples).
How many tens of millions of Android phones will BB have to sell each quarter, at very decent margins, in order to make this business profitable, and, in addition to that, to fund BB10 OS AND device development? This would have to be a VERY high number of Android sliders, which is possible (and desirable), but not very likely to happen.
So either BB is playing an incredibly risky game, that so far no other technology giant succeeded in, or the weaker selling product line will have to die (while dying doesn't mean those phones will stop working instantly, but no more significant upgrades will happen, and the user base will driy out within 2 or 3 years). I do not see an alternative option.
And after all of that, I hope I'm wrong, and that JC has found the philosophers' stone of how to make such a model work.
Symbian was mature, but also extremely outdated. MeeGo wasn't even given a chance, they killed it before releasing it to the public. It could have been a good alternative to iOS and Android, but thanks to Elop, we will never know.
Windows 10 Mobile is looking pretty good and because it shares most of the code with Windows 10, Microsoft can continue to improve it for a relatively low cost. I wouldn't worry about its future too much, it's part of Microsoft's long term strategy.
Posted via CB1009-19-15 02:13 PMLike 3 - Because Google doesn't allow manufacturers using their version of Android (with support for Google Play Services) to also sell/use a forked version of Android. BB10 with the Android runtime can be considered an Android fork. Especially considering it is tied to the Amazon App Store, which competes directly with the Google Play Store.
Android is indeed open source. Google Play Services are not.
Maybe modified but not a fork.09-19-15 02:39 PMLike 0 - Interesting but the comments that 'BlackBerry is abandoning' their current users isn't really accurate. If you really like BlackBerry 10, chill and let BlackBerry do their Android thing because it just may be the thing that actually pays to keep BlackBerry 10 going. You don't need to buy it, if you hate it that much. But if it succeeds, you'll benefit from it as a BlackBerry 10 user.09-19-15 03:55 PMLike 0
- It isn't pronounced Venus like the planet. But Venice like the city. I couldn't get past that and so couldn't watch the video.
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Posted via Z3009-19-15 06:25 PMLike 0 - Really, you don't think they tried all they could? Just because you don't agree with their decisions doesn't mean they "did nothing". They were better informed than we are when they made those decisions, even.
They tried something, but it didn't work. I for one will keep supporting them for awhile longer, they keep fighting, most organizations would have given up by now.
I love BB10, much more than I like android or any other platform, but they could not get enough developer momentum to make it popular for professionals' leisure needs. I would rather have a BlackBerry customized productive android than nothing, and all respect to them for the ballsy move to go to android. They know they are painting a big bullseye on their back, and securing android is a monumental task.
Posted via Z3009-19-15 06:29 PMLike 0 - If there's one company that can make me use other platforms ( droid, iOS, windows) it's BlackBerry. As long as it has BlackBerry stamped on it, I'm good to go once the price settles down as I buy my phones unlocked and directly from them or partner vendors.09-19-15 06:46 PMLike 0
- I remember when I first started reading posts on Crackberry (long before I joined) it was full of Blackberry fans, now it should be called Crackdroid. As for moving on, no I don't think so.RyanGermann likes this.09-19-15 08:24 PMLike 1
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