ETA of feature complete PBOS 2.1?

**morlock_man** · 06-27-2012, 03:31 PM

Has anyone heard anything for when the feature complete 2.1 should drop?

The only timeline I remember hearing was 2.1 beta by the end of May and public release by early Summer, but there's been talk that the beta should be updated at least once more before dropping to everyone.

**BB10FTW** · 06-27-2012, 06:56 PM

Patience is a virtue, it will come when it comes.........which hopefully is soon.

**TRlPPlN** · 06-27-2012, 07:24 PM

enough with being patient..lol , i dont even bother waiting for it. i just get it when it comes. there's so much other things in the damn world to worry about other than os updates.

**morlock_man** · 06-27-2012, 08:08 PM

I just want wifi bridge.

**Atentozedten** · 06-27-2012, 08:13 PM

New Bridge Update came out today or yesterday I think..which is always an indication for a PB update..

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**Andrew4life** · 06-27-2012, 10:54 PM

Originally Posted by wasim.munshi

New Bridge Update came out today or yesterday I think..which is always an indication for a PB update..

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Not really since the change log clearly mentions it is a bug fix and the revision number barely changed which means it's a very small incremental change.

I doubt PB update will be out so quickly. The OS 2.1 beta is filled with bugs.

**sportline** · 06-27-2012, 11:14 PM

maybe this weekend, or early next week? end of summer perhaps?

**jeroen_13** · 06-28-2012, 08:32 AM

Before the summer I guess.. But in canada the summer counting is different

**kbz1960** · 06-28-2012, 08:45 AM

Soon.................

**ffejrobins30** · 06-28-2012, 08:09 PM

Q4, 2012...everything has been moved back...

**louzer** · 06-28-2012, 08:54 PM

Talk of 2.1 was conspicuously missing from today's earnings call. I would think with all of the bad news that they had to drop on the investors that if 2.1 was close, they'd have at least tossed a bone.

**sleepngbear** · 06-28-2012, 10:37 PM

Originally Posted by louzer

Talk of 2.1 was conspicuously missing from today's earnings call. I would think with all of the bad news that they had to drop on the investors that if 2.1 was close, they'd have at least tossed a bone.

With everything else going on, anything related to the PlayBook is small potatoes at this point, unless they had an announcement of a contract that meant the sale of a few million of them. And in the realm of the PlayBook, 2.1 is just an incremental upgrade. Even if they had something to announce, it would have been completely obliterated by all of the day's other wonderful news. Better to let the dust settle now and let the little victories get their own attention as they come.

**morlock_man** · 06-29-2012, 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by sleepngbear

With everything else going on, anything related to the PlayBook is small potatoes at this point, unless they had an announcement of a contract that meant the sale of a few million of them. And in the realm of the PlayBook, 2.1 is just an incremental upgrade. Even if they had something to announce, it would have been completely obliterated by all of the day's other wonderful news. Better to let the dust settle now and let the little victories get their own attention as they come.

I don't know.

I think the 2.1 rev Playbook offering of bridge texting and wifi bridge adds a lot of value to picking up both a BB7 phone and the tablet as a combo. Thats not really an incremental upgrade, those are large features. They've been very clear that they've reduced retail prices to clear the BB7 stock, combine them with a Playbook and consumers get introduced to the QNX-based OS that will keep them hooked for BB10 devices.

It really is the missing bridge between BB7 and BB10, they're just not marketing it yet.
Why? Because 2.1 isn't quite ready for public release. When it drops, you'll see the marketing campaign start up.

Until then, the stock value doesn't matter. The further it drops, the better. RIM can rebuy large quantities of their shares at a reduced market value. And since they've been completely honest and forthright about the entire problem, nothing can come back against the board when the stock booms and they're left holding a larger percentage of it.

F2 · 06-29-2012, 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by morlock_man

I don't know.

I think the 2.1 rev Playbook offering of bridge texting and wifi bridge adds a lot of value to picking up both a BB7 phone and the tablet as a combo. Thats not really an incremental upgrade, those are large features. They've been very clear that they've reduced retail prices to clear the BB7 stock, combine them with a Playbook and consumers get introduced to the QNX-based OS that will keep them hooked for BB10 devices.

It really is the missing bridge between BB7 and BB10, they're just not marketing it yet.
Why? Because 2.1 isn't quite ready for public release. When it drops, you'll see the marketing campaign start up.

Until then, the stock value doesn't matter. The further it drops, the better. RIM can rebuy large quantities of their shares at a reduced market value. And since they've been completely honest and forthright about the entire problem, nothing can come back against the board when the stock booms and they're left holding a larger percentage of it.

May I borrow your splendid rose colored glasses. I really could use them.

**Jtaylor1986** · 06-29-2012, 09:08 PM

Originally Posted by morlock_man

I don't know.

I think the 2.1 rev Playbook offering of bridge texting and wifi bridge adds a lot of value to picking up both a BB7 phone and the tablet as a combo. Thats not really an incremental upgrade, those are large features. They've been very clear that they've reduced retail prices to clear the BB7 stock, combine them with a Playbook and consumers get introduced to the QNX-based OS that will keep them hooked for BB10 devices.

It really is the missing bridge between BB7 and BB10, they're just not marketing it yet.
Why? Because 2.1 isn't quite ready for public release. When it drops, you'll see the marketing campaign start up.

Until then, the stock value doesn't matter. The further it drops, the better. RIM can rebuy large quantities of their shares at a reduced market value. And since they've been completely honest and forthright about the entire problem, nothing can come back against the board when the stock booms and they're left holding a larger percentage of it.

It is pretty obvious that at this point the PlayBook is probably not even in the top 5 priorities right now(which is probably as it should be all things considering).

The PlayBook is still a very small section of a still large business and there aren't a lot of additional resources to dedicate to it at this point. Your comment on the stock makes no sense either. How does buying back stock with the limited cash on hand help anything?

**morlock_man** · 06-29-2012, 09:29 PM

The Playbook is the only flagship product thats currently running their new OS. If they don't market it when they drop 2.1 and the 4G PB it would be a pretty dumb mistake.

Up until 2.1, the PB is pretty much still a beta product. 2.1 finalized the PIM apps and gives the Android apps much needed stability. It also introduces wifi bridge and bridge texting. Wifi bridge is probably the most important piece of technology they'll be releasing prior to the full BB10 release. Its a key technology that enables the Playbook to become more than just a consumer tablet, evolving into a secure front-end node for wifi-enabled industrial equipment.

If anything, I'd say that BB10 was pushed back so they could use the 2.1 Playbook in combination with BB7 phones to clear their existing stock in preparation for BB10.

Oh, and in regards to the stock, if they knew they had a hot product on their hands that would definitely drive up stock price, why wouldn't they invest in their own idea? As the stock value climbs they can resell the purchased shares and make a killing. It's sort of insider trading, but they've been so upfront about the whole process its not their fault that most tech analysts that are claiming RIM is dead are dumbsh!ts.

**hurds** · 06-29-2012, 09:45 PM

Originally Posted by F2

May I borrow your splendid rose colored glasses. I really could use them.

what color are yours?

**louzer** · 06-29-2012, 10:34 PM

Originally Posted by Jtaylor1986

It is pretty obvious that at this point the PlayBook is probably not even in the top 5 priorities right now(which is probably as it should be all things considering).

The PlayBook is still a very small section of a still large business and there aren't a lot of additional resources to dedicate to it at this point. Your comment on the stock makes no sense either. How does buying back stock with the limited cash on hand help anything?

The Playbook is a beta testing ground for BB10. BB10 will be a slightly enhanced version of the Playbook OS with a complete facelift.

**howarmat** · 06-30-2012, 05:13 AM

Originally Posted by morlock_man

The Playbook is the only flagship product thats currently running their new OS. If they don't market it when they drop 2.1 and the 4G PB it would be a pretty dumb mistake.

Up until 2.1, the PB is pretty much still a beta product. 2.1 finalized the PIM apps and gives the Android apps much needed stability. It also introduces wifi bridge and bridge texting. Wifi bridge is probably the most important piece of technology they'll be releasing prior to the full BB10 release. Its a key technology that enables the Playbook to become more than just a consumer tablet, evolving into a secure front-end node for wifi-enabled industrial equipment.

If anything, I'd say that BB10 was pushed back so they could use the 2.1 Playbook in combination with BB7 phones to clear their existing stock in preparation for BB10.

Oh, and in regards to the stock, if they knew they had a hot product on their hands that would definitely drive up stock price, why wouldn't they invest in their own idea? As the stock value climbs they can resell the purchased shares and make a killing. It's sort of insider trading, but they've been so upfront about the whole process its not their fault that most tech analysts that are claiming RIM is dead are dumbsh!ts.

unless the official 2.1 is a lot more than the beta 2.1 then its not going to change the PB into a finely polished product. There is still a long way to go on the PIM apps. Still looking beta too me

**morlock_man** · 06-30-2012, 09:15 AM

Originally Posted by howarmat

unless the official 2.1 is a lot more than the beta 2.1 then its not going to change the PB into a finely polished product. There is still a long way to go on the PIM apps. Still looking beta too me

The PIM apps can evolve features without really changing functionality. Its when they modify core functionality that they break things.

Right now they're just building the framework. Bridge wifi has to be able to tie into every system, which is a major undertaking by itself. They're not just coding for a single monolithic system that only talks to other systems through layers of application protocols, they're coding for distributed systems. If you want to be able to access your phones camera natively from your paired tablet, these things take time to nail down securely.

Writing good secure code for distributed systems is a of a lot more difficult than writing code for monolithic ones.

Originally Posted by Linux creator, Linus Torvalds

And anybody who tells you that distributed algorithms are "simpler" is just so full of sh*t that it's not even funny.

It doesn't mean that the code you end up with isn't better. The increased complexity of the required smaller, tighter code should make for fewer discoverable exploits.

**Kandoo-BB** · 06-30-2012, 10:09 AM

I was told by a Rim employee that:"Its still in beta and cant give a eta"

**jeroen_13** · 06-30-2012, 03:09 PM

cant wait.. just like everybody else

**Jtaylor1986** · 06-30-2012, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by louzer

The Playbook is a beta testing ground for BB10. BB10 will be a slightly enhanced version of the Playbook OS with a complete facelift.

This just goes to show how much the product failed commercially that it's only value is generating interest in a future product. This was supposed to be a commercial success but the execution was so poor on RIM's part that it has failed and the product is essentially on life support. PlayBook would have likely been cut off at this point given it's sales if it wasn't a stepping stone for BB10. In hindsight I am sure that there would have been a good argument for not releasing it all given that it has sullied the BlackBerry brand in the average consumer's mind even further.

It wouldn't suprise me if we see an August release date for 2.1 at all given how few and far between updates have been.

**rcab** · 06-30-2012, 05:19 PM

I believe the problems with the beta version and the announcement that BB10 will be pushed back shows just how serious things are at RIM. If they could get the Playbook function properly then it really does become a functioning beta tester for BB10. They can not even get the PB to work the way everyone desires. So just think how much more difficult it is for them to add a radio section to make it a phone. I have not tried the 2.1 beta because I am not techie enough but the lack of advancement there to me is a silent message just how far behind RIM is in coming out with a finished product. To me I now have zero confidence with them actually doing what they say. I love my PB and do not use my 9800 except to make calls anymore since i use the PB more often. I think instead of laying off people they should be enlarging the staff to try to work 24/7 in developing these products so that they can meet the holiday selling season. 2013 may be too late depending on the products introduced by the competition.