- 01-15-13, 06:32 AM #177
On the flip-side, there's been lots of people buying PlayBooks at heavily discounted prices, many will be quite happy with what they've got for their money.
The true damage to RIM, IMO? The "cost" of selling so many PlayBooks at such discounted prices. That said - on balance, that may be a smart, savvy move - if nothing else, as a PlayBook user, I'm seriously considering a BB handset when my mobile contract renewal is due. That wouldn't have really been on my radar, prior to owning a PlayBook.
- 01-15-13, 07:00 AM #178
I thought it would be impossible for a tablet with front facing cameras to not have a cross platform app to make use of these.
I fell into the hype trap and believe PlayBook OS 2, which was round the corner, would change things dramatically.
I realised, when it comes to RIM, I need to be very very cautious.
For 170 odd pounds, the Nexus 7 is a no brainer for what it offers.
Theres a reason even at fire sale prices the PlayBooks are just not selling out.
Theres very very very few people who are happy with what they got with the PlayBook.
Otherwise, at sub 100 quid for a 64 GB model, there wouldnt be any floating around.
- 01-15-13, 07:17 AM #179
I would agree that those receiving a PB as a gift may be disappointed, and perhaps even some of the early adopters. There are things wrong with it, which i was aware of when I bought mine 4 months ago, at a discounted price, but there are also some very good things right with it.
For me i think the lack of SD card support was a big omission by RIM, hopefully they will implement OTG support. But RIM are famous for dropping the ball with their hardware releases .i.e. no auto focus on the 990 is one of many, and hopefully Mr. Heizns is on top of it. Need to give people what they want, not what they think they want!
As a side note I would have loved to have seen the implementation of a stylus, similar to Samsung's, have played around with it and was well impressed.
- 01-15-13, 07:29 AM #180
- 01-15-13, 07:33 AM #181
The email client is just appalling, its slow, its everything a BlackBerry email experience isnt.
Flash support on the browser is great.
The size is great.
The app selection is awful, and RIMs focus on bringing in numbers rather than quality meant you had all those awful apps that were just books repackaged as apps.
Not having BBM is astonishing.
The delays in PB 2.0 were shocking, and the quality was debatable, of the OS.
Its solid hardware, handicapped by a poor OS.
Tell the average consumer that BB10 is based on PlayBooks OS and they will be shocked.
The PlayBook hardware was brill, the software let it down.
- 01-15-13, 07:45 AM #182
If I'd decided that I wanted a 7" Android tablet, and was happy with the Nexus attributes and what I wanted to use it for, fair enough. But what attracted me to the PlayBook, was the build quality, the OS (which is superb, no matter how you cut it), the available storage on board (64G in my instance), the front-mounted stereo speakers, and HDMI out (capable of 1080p output).
Yes, I get you can use OTG with the Nexus to ameliorate the significantly lesser storage space - but I don't want to have to, unless there's some overwhelming or compelling reason to not have more on-board storage.
On the flipside, I've not found an acceptable solution for running Kindle on my PlayBook - which to me is a notable limitation, and to a lesser degree the Skype thing. But on the flipside of that, other aspects of the PlayBook have exceeded my expectations - and I've enjoyed the smaller form-factor over my existing Android tablets.
Thing is, if I'd wanted another Android tablet I would have bought one - but I didn't specifically want another Android tablet, I just wanted a decent tablet, for a good price, with plenty of storage, that was built well, that had some other characteristics that suit (mentioned previously).
Now don't get me wrong - I'm not polarised against the Nexus - I've recommended it to some people that have asked me about buying a tablet with a few devices given as potential choices. But in fairness, it's just not THE killer 7" device. It may be an almost default choice for a 7" Android tablet - but that's again, somewhat prescriptive.
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- 01-15-13, 07:52 AM #183
I cant think of 1 thing.
I disagree that the OS is miles ahead of the options. Its different, and the gestures are fun, but again the multitasking between apps only matters when you have apps to multitask between. How else is it superb?
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01-15-13, 08:50 AM #191
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Yes, I'm disappointed.
- 01-15-13, 09:05 AM #193
As to why the OS is superb, it's stability, ease of use, simplicity, easy method of closing apps.
Yes, I get, the OS perhaps hasn't always been so brilliant. And some of the apps either native, or available through App store, aren't necessarily either as impressive or expansive.
But all the same, as a physical device, that's easy to use, with high-end build quality, and covers the basics email (adequately), browsing (pretty good), media playback (pretty excellent) for those sort of needs it is superb. When my parents were having issues with their new, yet hardly used iPad, and it had to go back for repair, I showed them my PlayBook, in terms of ease of use and simplicity - that was it, no more, didn't say "you should get one..." or anything like that, and they went out to get one - and I suspect they'll find it easier to use and more reliable than their pretty new, but truly hardly used, iPad.
That wasn't something I'd have expected or predicted before owning one. I don't think there's any one tablet device that's a panacea. But whereas previously, I'd have probably advised an iPad for the older, perhaps not as tech savvy, users, there are some situations, now, where I believe the PlayBook makes a very suitable alternative.
- 01-15-13, 09:19 AM #194
Again, if people thought it was halfway decent, at the prices its available at, theyd be sold out.
Im surprised youre working on the PlayBook, I found it to be the least work friendly tablet available.
If I sold you a brick for 50 dollars that would be even cheaper, but whats the point if it doesnt actually do anything?
- 01-15-13, 09:26 AM #195
"doesnt actually do anything" (sic) is such a crock - I use mine, daily, for email, general internet usage, listening to music, and watching video.
Now true enough, there may be other uses I'd like to put it to, also - but none are dealbreakers.
- 01-15-13, 09:30 AM #196
that doesn't seem to be a whole lot, huh?
- 01-15-13, 09:51 AM #197
I asked earlier what you could do on the PlayBook, aside from flash videos, that you cant do on the competition. Still havent had an answer.
If you use your PlayBook for email management, and have a BlackBerry as well, Id be very very surprised.
I couldnt bear to wait for the app to load on my PlayBook, it took absolute ages, the 9900 manages email FAR better than the PlayBook solution.
Its more than just 'me and my girlfriend', I convinced a good 4 people to move to BlackBerry, OS6 and OS7 devices, and 1 other person to move to PlayBook. Course now Ive moved to an Android device, and got my wife to move as well, and everyone else is still pissed theyre stuck on legacy BBOS devices that dont do what the competition does at the same price point.
Judging by the figures and the fact that its still for sale at fire sale prices, Id say theres plenty of evidence that PlayBooks arent selling, they arent selling because the software doesnt do what people expect in a business, or consumer grade tablet.
The hardware, Ill stress, is pretty cool, Id say awesome even, particularly when it came out, but the software lets it down bigtime.
Maybe if you werent so blind, youd look at what the competition offers, Ive spent less money on apps on both my iPad and my Android phone, and they both do far more than my Playbook or 9900 did, and the apps for BB were considerably more expensive.
I know what Im talking about very clearly, and I know enough to be able to recognise the similarities, in launch, planning, hype, and overall feel on this forum, between BB10 and the PlayBook debacle, and thats worrying.
Both were hyped to no end without clear specifics, in the PlayBooks case that fizzled out into no real payoff, I hope that doesnt happen with BB10 but theres no evidence so far that suggests history wont repeat itself.
- 01-15-13, 09:52 AM #198
- 01-15-13, 10:04 AM #200
Fascinating back and forth.
The device is not perfect but what device is perfect.
If for no other reason, for its current selling price, as a couch-accessory, what more could one want. I can look up movies and actors/actresses in IMDB. I can check the news and weather. I can sit in the park and watch a movie with a bluetooth earpiece. With Kalemsoft (one of those apps folks claim the pb does not have) I can watch almost any video format and see subtitles. If you are not into earpieces, it has some of the best built-in speakers for a tablet. It does flash and yes, the browser can be a little slow - I can either stew about it or learn to live with it.
If you've got a bb phone, Bridge is a marvel. Yes, I'm sure some folks can argue with that but some folks can argue with anything.
Research helps. But I'm sure there are those who buy an ipad and find they are stuck with the I-everything world and its limitation without knowing it, too. Again, perfect devices don't exist. Fit it into your lifestyle or needs or your budget and buy the one that works for you. I've seen folks here who can afford pretty much everything and they have purchased pretty much everything - nice if you can do it. Most probably can't afford to wade through every device. Give accurate info and help those still looking choose honestly.
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