[aha]

The tension in the forum is actually a reflection of the loss of options we have. Let's face it, RIM's chance isn't good anymore. Even Kevin knows it. That's why he keeps mentioning America loves a come-back story. But we all know, the ones do come back are rare.

Even though I love my 9810 + PB combo and hate to see RIM goes away, but there is nothing we can do. The decision to remove sideloading feature shows that there is little RIM can do neither. They worked hard to provide user access to android apps and advertised it, now they are considering to yield under the pressure from some app developers, in danger of upsetting more than 60% of its PB customer base. This shows how much option RIM really has.

Sad but true.

[Tre Lawrence]

I never bring this up because I am afraid of being lambasted on here, but I can agree that it's the exact same at other forums I use. Even on Apple specific forums. You can discuss the limitations or strong points of a product (ANY product) without being ripped apart. Which is how people generally find solutions/workarounds. It could be just a case of more vigilant moderation, but I just don't see the hostility I see here. I don't want to come across as 'hating' this forum because there are some incredibly helpful posters here. People have helped me, mainly an Apple user, a ton with my transition to Playbook.

Well said as well.

I think it just takes the ability to separate self from one's device. Forgive me for saying so, but I think some of the younger/newer peeps find it harder to do. We all love our tech, I guess.

Some of the most helpful people in techdom hang out here; just because they might -gasp! - own and iDevice or an Android does not mean they are now the enemy...

[torndownunit]

I belong to quite a few tech enthusiast threads. I love all types, and it such a privilege to own and discuss mobile technology.

I have to agree with Barskin. In my limited experience, I see tech people in other communities criticize the heck out of their stuff. People don't get mad. It's a piece of machinery. I have never seen the angst or need to "defend" a platform. Yes, there is tongue-in-cheek ribbing of other platforms, but it does not tend to get so testy.

Case in point (in this very thread): when your mobile experience begins to feel like the Holocaust or the black person's experience in the United States, you NEED to take a step back. For real.

I also agree with Barskin: variety of ownership is lauded. My BBs, Androids, Palms, WinMos are looked upon with envy. That is how it should be... a community of folks who like tech. Yes, there will be bran loyalty, but not enough to engender discord.

I am a big believer of the power of ignoring. Someone does not like your device? It should not be painful. It should not be the red flag in front of the proverbial bull. Relax! LOL.

It doesn't have to be a remake of MJ's Beat It video all the time. There will be troublemakers, but I still think diversity of thought unified by an interest in RIM's products is what makes CB a great community.

It would be pretty awesome if we could solve our differences through a dance battle though!

[slalom]

I don't know why those departing really need to inform the entire crackberry community of their decision. Why not just move on to whatever new device, join android or ios forums, and know you will be welcome back here if you return to blackberry. Posting about your departure seems like a morbid way to trigger a negative thread.

[barskin]

Well said as well.

I think it just takes the ability to separate self from one's device. Forgive me for saying so, but I think some of the younger/newer peeps find it harder to do. We all love our tech, I guess.

Some of the most helpful people in techdom hang out here; just because they might -gasp! - own and iDevice or an Android does not mean they are now the enemy...

Well, yeah, sure...as long as they're not hanging out near the banana bin...

[apengue1]

Well said as well.



I think it just takes the ability to separate self from one's device. Forgive me for saying so, but I think some of the younger/newer peeps find it harder to do. We all love our tech, I guess.



Some of the most helpful people in techdom hang out here; just because they might -gasp! - own and iDevice or an Android does not mean they are now the enemy...

I can agree with that. I mean people may have preferences but many people are very emotionally tied to one brand. Its really bad. This goes for Android, BlackBerry, Apple, and Windows Phone.




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[aha]

Another huge clue that we are out of option is, our inability to influence app developers. So many emails has been sent to app developers saying "hey, I got 5 bucks here, come and get it" and only got the response of "uh, I will pass".

Again, sad but true.

[Tre Lawrence]

It would be pretty awesome if we could solve our differences through a dance battle though!

YES!!!!!!!!!!! LOL.

Way more fun letting our hips do the talking.

[torndownunit]

I don't know why those departing really need to inform the entire crackberry community of their decision. Why not just move on to whatever new device, join android or ios forums, and know you will be welcome back here if you return to blackberry. Posting about your departure seems like a morbid way to trigger a negative thread.

Again though, if people ignore these threads, then they will disappear. Yes it's silly they exist, but the raging arguments and personal insults that go on in the threads is more ridiculous. The Troll are so happy they likely form new accounts just to do it all again lol!

[apengue1]

It would be pretty awesome if we could solve our differences through a dance battle though!

Yeah we can definitely take a step back sometimes..

..to the side! 2 steps front and one step back!




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[BlackBerry Guy]

While there are genuine posts on that topic, there are also trolls who post similar topics for the sole purpose of baiting and get a rise out of people.

I don't bother much with the "I'm leaving BlackBerry" or "Convince me to stay" threads. If someone's made up their mind to try something else, nothing a bunch of people on an internet forum is going to do much to change their mind.

[JeepBB]

Yeah we can definitely take a step back sometimes..

..to the side! 2 steps front and one step back!




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Nooooooooooo!

Now I've got the song from The Rocky Horror Picture Show running on a perma-loop in my head.... Arrrrgh!

"Let's do, the time warp, again...." LOL

[KermEd]

Its complicated.

On the one hand it takes just as much writing to provide a constructive reply as a deconstructive reply. On the other hand it takes more effort to think of a response and to find links to posts. And many users are anticipating complaints about the apps in appworld. And on the gripping hand people are exploratory creatures. They like seeing recycled information. But they do not like providing recycled information, especially if detail is required.

Fundamentally though People like to believe they cannot make a mistake. They bought the PB which then cannot be a mistake. Thus any missing features, apps or stability issues that can potentially reflect poorly on the device are internalized and reacted to poorly by the audience. Specifically it translates to "Your missing features, I have already come to terms with this thus everyone must have come to terms with this. If this is a problem for you, you must have the wrong device. As any device I support and use is infalliable".

Its a result of fanboy mentality. Take it as a compliment on your purchasing decision and just ignore them . These personality types will forever believe they can make no errors and are doing what they believe is right. I know Ive been guilty of it enough times myself.

[r0v3rT3N]

[YT]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DmYLrxR0Y8[/YT]
Why CAN'T we be friends?

[artie]

"Out of the fullness of the heart, the mouth speaks".

[ADozenEggs@aol.com]

I don't know why those departing really need to inform the entire crackberry community of their decision. Why not just move on to whatever new device, join android or ios forums, and know you will be welcome back here if you return to blackberry. Posting about your departure seems like a morbid way to trigger a negative thread.

Maybe some folks just want to say goodbye? You may not see it, but people connect and oft times make an emotional investment in forums.

When they make the decision to leave, sometimes it's with regret/sadness. Psychologically, a connection to a faceless 'community' can be as strong as any other other under the right circumstances.

I'm certain that if a 'goodbye thread bothers another user, the poster wasn't speaking to them anyway.

He/she are speaking to the posters that pop in amongst the "Get out troll, WE(this is actually the most fascinating aspect of it all) hate you", etc and say "Good Luck".

If these threads sincerely bother you, just know that they're not talking to you and enjoy your day.

[Chrysalis1156]

Maybe some folks just want to say goodbye? You may not see it, but people connect and oft times make an emotional investment in forums.

When they make the decision to leave, sometimes it's with regret/sadness. Psychologically, a connection to a faceless 'community' can be as strong as any other other under the right circumstances.

I'm certain that if a 'goodbye thread bothers another user, the poster wasn't speaking to them anyway.

He/she are speaking to the posters that pop in amongst the "Get out troll, WE(this is actually the most fascinating aspect of it all) hate you", etc and say "Good Luck".

If these threads sincerely bother you, just know that they're not talking to you and enjoy your day.

I would agree but sometimes these farewell posts are also the OPs first posts. These are the ones that need to be ignored. We need to help each other cuz, like it or not, we're all in the same little boat.

(Posted with much love and respect from my 9930 )

[alnamvet68]

Personally, if I was going to leave a forum for good (as I have done in the past with forums that no longer serve my purposes), I just leave; no signing in to check PM's, no more posting, no remorse, no tearfull OMG's, no responding to e-mails of WTF's, just gone for good.

Less drama makes for zero trauma is my mantra.

[torndownunit]

Another huge clue that we are out of option is, our inability to influence app developers. So many emails has been sent to app developers saying "hey, I got 5 bucks here, come and get it" and only got the response of "uh, I will pass".

Again, sad but true.

I can only imagine how many emails Netflix have received. And I know Tunein Radio has received a lot as well. Emailed both Tunein and Pulse in the past, both popular apps which I have to guess PB users have contacted man times, and they show no interest at all.

Regarding people who post when they are leaving, I don't think they are ALL trolls. I think some of them are legitimately frustrated at the pace of development, and don't really know where else to lash out about it. So they end up doing it before leaving here. Not the best etiquette of course, but I guess I understand it on some level.

[jivegirl14]

Personally, if posters are genuine (and not baiters whom the moderators should deal with) I actually find it interesting to read why people are leaving Blackberry to go to another platform, especially if they've been long time BB users. I find it interesting when they write exactly why they are leaving. I also enjoy reading the converse (i.e. why they've come back or why they prefer Blackberry over iphone or Android).

Given the "swirl" currently surrounding RIM and its seeming inability to promote the great things about its products - e.g. Playbook (or get the apps people want but others have) I sometimes feel the tension in the forum is part due to the uncertainty fans feel when it comes to RIM and its future. So every person coming in to announce they are leaving is just news fans do not want to hear. If someone bothers to announce it here you can bet that there are many more who don't. It can't be lost on the fans that so many seem to have written RIM off already, while the fans wait for a miracle (aka comeback). I sincerely hope RIM can do it as the thought of an i or A only choice is not comforting. Blackberry just works for me.

I think the best thing is just not to respond to the posts... which can be difficult as unfortunately it's these (and other negative postings that seem get hundreds of views and likes which in turn attract more of the same.

[BBplaybookJS]

Well, here's my experience. I have only recently even mentioned owning other devices on this forum. I do not discuss them in detail. I have also recently taken part in other forums on the subject of these other devices (which is what I consider to be the proper place to engage in such discussions). On other forums, though, I have to report, people criticize their devices and the manufacturers to high heavens. We also discuss what else we own, and other posters generally ooh and ahh about my collection, speaking admiring about the PlayBook, for instance. There is none of the "you own that beeping [insert name of other device/platform here]? Get out you infidel!!" kind of reaction. I have also been outspoken about posters who come here only to insult and belittle other posters. That is nasty and wrong. If, however, people want to insult and belittle the PlayBook, I might not agree with them, but, for pity's sake, it's only a piece of electronic equipment. Why should I care?

I agree totally, it is entirely ones own business what electronic devices one chooses to buy, nor is there anything wrong with saying you bought a PlayBook and realized how it wasn't for you for whatever your specific needs are.

What I will not accept is people who come here slag the Playbook without having bothered to learn how to use it or asked for assistance if they have a particular problem and in doing so imply that those of us who prefer it are idiots.

There are people who visit these forums considering purchasing PlayBook, if misinformation is left unrefuted quickly becomes fact.

[BBplaybookJS]

Another huge clue that we are out of option is, our inability to influence app developers. So many emails has been sent to app developers saying "hey, I got 5 bucks here, come and get it" and only got the response of "uh, I will pass".

Again, sad but true.

Perhaps those of you longing for this or that app that refuses to consider PlayBook need to ponder on why that is. Perhaps it is because the platforms those appmakers are affiliated with, and to whom they owe their livelihoods have a vested interest in assuring other tablet platforms do not prosper.

Perhaps your time would be better spent encouraging the many great PlayBook app developers to create similar apps to perform those actions you so badly want.

[torndownunit]

I agree totally, it is entirely ones own business what electronic devices one chooses to buy, nor is there anything wrong with saying you bought a PlayBook and realized how it wasn't for you for whatever your specific needs are.

What I will not accept is people who come here slag the Playbook without having bothered to learn how to use it or asked for assistance if they have a particular problem and in doing so imply that those of us who prefer it are idiots.

There are people who visit these forums considering purchasing PlayBook, if misinformation is left unrefuted quickly becomes fact.

What do you think some of the threads full of hostile responses and insults do though? I think they are just as harmful.

Perhaps those of you longing for this or that app that refuses to consider PlayBook need to ponder on why that is. Perhaps it is because the platforms those appmakers are affiliated with, and to whom they owe their livelihoods have a vested interest in assuring other tablet platforms do not prosper.

Perhaps your time would be better spent encouraging the many great PlayBook app developers to create similar apps to perform those actions you so badly want.

That is completely logical and that would be ideal. But, are there really any signs of that happening currently? People are just discouraged.

[teresa81]

I find it impossible to tell the trolls apart from the truly disgruntled. But in the example you gave above, the most recent thread I saw there were lots of 'angelusers' giving suggestions to the issue but the op had already decided they were leaving and dismissed all suggestions. People are just getting fed up!

[barskin]

Perhaps those of you longing for this or that app that refuses to consider PlayBook need to ponder on why that is. Perhaps it is because the platforms those appmakers are affiliated with, and to whom they owe their livelihoods have a vested interest in assuring other tablet platforms do not prosper.

Perhaps your time would be better spent encouraging the many great PlayBook app developers to create similar apps to perform those actions you so badly want.

Well, of course, my problem is that I don't know any great PlayBook app developers. You know who I bet does? The development team at RIM, the people who should be encouraging the great PlayBook appp developers.

But, that is not the point I, and many others, are trying to make. We are talking about there being no need for hostility for people who have criticisms of the PlayBook, nor should we be declaring war upon all other devices and platforms and those who own them.