- 01-04-2013, 09:24 AM #26
- 01-04-2013, 10:11 AM #27
- 7.0" sucks, but 7.9" is glorious!
- It's got 35-50% more useable area
- CrackBerry User
01-04-2013, 10:39 AM #28
- 95 Posts
I love the PlayBook UI, but I wouldn't say it is intuitive.
When the PlayBook was first released my wife and I went to our local Best Buy to check it out. We had no clue how to end apps, the concept of swiping from the bezel compared to swiping within the bezel is just not something that is natural. Occasionally, we did a bezel swipe, so we could then end the app, but we never made the association.
We finally (incorrectly) concluded that the device just wasn't stable.
We bought a couple after the firesale, and then having learned about the bezel gestures, we love them. I find switching to another tablet frustrating.
Elegant and efficient, definetely. Intuitive, not a chance.
- 01-04-2013, 10:46 AM #30
I've played with Microsoft's Surface, for instance. There are actually a great many things I like and admire about the device, but the navigation isn't one of them.
- CrackBerry User
01-04-2013, 11:11 AM #31
- 95 Posts
But sometimes I think PlayBook's amazing bezel gestures are a hindrance to selling the darned thing, at least from a store display model.
- 01-04-2013, 11:24 AM #32
She has both an iPod touch and a PlayBook (received at the same time). As someone who never used either before, there wasn't an appreciable difference to her learning the navigation of either item.
- 01-04-2013, 11:40 AM #33
- 01-04-2013, 11:48 AM #35
- 01-04-2013, 12:01 PM #36If I agreed with you we'd both be wrong.
- 01-04-2013, 12:05 PM #37
- 01-04-2013, 12:09 PM #38
The product was literally orphaned overnight after 19 April 2011. The only reason we got any updates was the high probability of a very vocal backlash by the early adopters of the BlackBerry PlayBook.
lRemember the promise of native PIM within 60 days and a steady cadence of software updates?
As for the releases, there have been 10 or so software updates since the PlayBook came out. That's a 'fairly steady' cadence by my book.
The company almost went bankrupt despite a cash stash of approximately two billion Canadian Tire dollars.
To go bankrupt, you need to be able to unable to meet your financial obligations (debts) with cash and/or the sale of assets. Given that RIM doesn't have a spec of debt and no creditors have come calling saying "RIM hasn't paid bills in six months", that's just utterly silly.
- 01-04-2013, 12:34 PM #39
loss of focus
what they were really good at "quick and easy, always reliable, secure remote communication" was lost when they decided to complete against the "toys" which in reality most popular phones/tablets really are with all their crazy apps.
now that they are slowly losing their core enterprise and government markets because of the BYOD work space infiltration, you can see them emphasizing their security roots again.
Confidence in their reputation as a 24x7 fail safe communication platform has taken some major hits in the past decade and that's where they stood apart from the competition in the past especially as email replaced phone communication.
Perhaps, skype, facebook and netflix along with steve jobs snake oiled the work place with communication distractions that have created less productivity than more efficiency.
I am hoping and waiting for RIM (starting with BB10) to save us from this device mess we now have before us.
Their bridge and QNX technologies have the strongest potential for a multitaking universal platform.(phone, tablet/PC, car)
In 5 years I would imagine a panacea device that does everything you need that pops into your car, pops out to carry with you, and pops into your home that does just about everything you need no matter what environment you happen to be in. As phablet,tablet and PC merge it isn't that far away.
Bottom line though is no matter how a great a device is from a design standpoint, if no one buys them or you have to sell them at a loss, you'll eventually go out of business unless you can create a separate offsetting income stream from things like content or connectivity provision.
- 01-04-2013, 01:04 PM #40
I think you really only get one shot to WOW consumers... RIM failed badly on release day by releasing a BlackBerry Device that didn't do email. Reviewers didn't like it, and thus consumers stayed away and all those Android Developers that RIM had hoped would port their apps over stayed away. And the fact that you could buy a much better "known" tablet that had more screen real-estate for the same price or less... didn't help much.
And while the Hardware is still pretty good, the ecosystem is still terrible. Just look at the forums here, people wanting to know how to do this or how to do that. Many of the things that people expect a tablet to do out of the box, the PlayBook doesn't do without some technical playing around.
- 01-04-2013, 02:45 PM #41
We here in this forum are fanboys and gals and many of us don't care for sideloading Android apps that may or may not work into an Android emulator based on Gingerbread. Using the browser for things that should be done with one touch. Not being able to do things like watch a baseball game/football match without a work around. Imagine Jane Q or John Q public going to their electronics store and finding out thats what you have to do to get popular things most folks enjoy doing on a tablet. Or you can get a Nexus 7 or an iPad. Most folks chose the iPad, quite a few are now choosing the Nexus, and here in the States there is no enthusiasm at the electronics store for the PlayBook which most times you go into a Best Buy or the like are dark, non functioning bricks when you get there. I have never gone to the electronics store and seen another person with one in their hands. That's my anecdotal evidence as to why it didn't here in the States. I know the experience is different in Canada and perhaps some other places like the UK.
- CrackBerry User
01-04-2013, 03:06 PM #42
- 83 Posts
Poor Marketing!!! Pathetic App Support!!! Incomplete OS!!!
When the playbook launched in India at a discounted rate I walked into a 'Blackberry' store only to find a display model with no apps loaded.
RIM instead of targeting their strongest markets ie. India, Indonesia, Thailand, Phillipines and the Gulf States chose to target a market where their brand had already taken a beating. The playbook still lacks native language support for the above mentioned countries. At a discounted price point the playbook would have been extremely viable if the locals could use it. Most people here already have blackberry.
Just so everyone knows. I own 2 playbooks and I'm happy with both of them. However my girlfriend hates hers as it STILL doesn't have a native thai keyboard.I'm married... to my BB
- CrackBerry User
01-04-2013, 03:21 PM #43
- 14 Posts
I'm a rather late entrant to the PB party. I got a new job 18 months ago, which came with a company Blackberry Curve. I'd never used a Blackberry and was sceptical at first but within a week, I was a convert.
When my other half got promoted, she also earned a Curve. She, too, was unsure but soon got to grips. Then one day, on a whim, she bought a Playbook because she likes techie toys. The salesman was pushing hard to sell her an iPad but we're both staunchly anti-Apple. She opted for a 32GB version, as it was on offer at £199, versus the iPad at over £500.
The PB felt more solid & robust than the iPad and, although there were fewer apps, she immediately had her IT manager bridge it to the Curve. Now she never goes anywhere without it. It's more convenient on company visits than a laptop, she uses it as a simple video recorder and camera for uploading to Facebook and as a music player/book reader when we're away anywhere.
For Christmas, she bought me a 64GB model, as they had plummetted in price. I think she paid about £150 for it. I loved it immediately and have loaded a number of useful (to me) apps, including a couple of paid-for ones (shock horror!). I linked it to two of my personal email addresses, which makes it doubly useful for keeping up to date on messages while away from home.
My latest purchase was a bluetooth keyboard which has made it even more useful, as I can now use it as a second laptop for my train journeys. The keyboard is a little restrictive but at least I don't lose any of the screen with the on-screen keyboard any more.
I am planning a long road trip and will take the PB to write updates as I go. For photos, I'm more likely to use my other half's digital camera, as it has wifi, so I can upload images as I go.
I only have one criticism: no USB 'A' or microSD slot. If it's because of RIM's perceived security issues, how is it that I can download files from my PC via the PB cable? I don't have any specific issues with the operating system (mine has OS 2.1) but Iunderstand that BB10 will make it a blinder. I see a number of experts reckon BB10 is too little, too late. I hope not; I really wouldn't be without my Playbook now.
I seem to be rambling now..... Long story short - I'm lovin' it (can't imagine where I dug THAT slogan from)
- CrackBerry Addict
01-05-2013, 06:35 AM #46BigAl_BB9900
- 721 Posts
Q10 (SQN100-3) - EE (UK) - BB10 OS Software Release 10.2.1.3062 - BB10 OS Version 10.2.1.3442
PlayBook 64Gb - 126.96.36.1997 (and another spare PB 64Gb)
and a Doro PhoneEasy 622 for everytime the Q10/EE4G knacks up or I have to take the really strong back tablets.... (btw Doro make great simple big-button handsets for seniors and for those of us with reduced feeling in our fingertips.....)
- 01-05-2013, 07:06 AM #47Don't be afraid to LIKE or say THANKS
BlackBerry Experience: BB Curve 8330 >> BB Bold 9000 >> BB Curve 3G 9300 >> BB Bold 9900 >> BB Q10 >> BB Classic (PRE-ORDERED)
- 01-05-2013, 07:15 AM #48
Funny thing though, I looked at them when they first came out, and I have had BlackBerry phones for years. But the lack of native email really put me off more than anything else. And now I have one, at the much cheaper price.....I've not bothered to put email on to it. I just use Bridge. So whilst it was obviously disastrous for non BB owners, for me it had an effect too, even though ultimately I haven't needed it. I wonder how many others that applied to in their core market.
- 01-05-2013, 08:24 AM #49
No basic apps. No specific apps. Expensive apps compared to ipad. Did I mention the lack of apps?
Also, have you tryied to write on crackberry from your PB? The keyboard lag is terrible.
And remember. A piece of hardware is as good as the software for it. The PB still has issues like losing wifi connection, browser not playing flash correctly, pages not loading all elements. I am looking for BB10 but this update will not solve one really important issue: the lack of apps.
Meanwhile beside the two PB s that I own I got myself an iPad 4 because I needed the Skype, the Kindle, some specific work apps, etc. Now I use the PB only for sites with flash. And this makes the PB a very expensive web browser.
- 01-05-2013, 08:49 AM #50
IMO, it is due to three reasons...
1) price at launch
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