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Someone posted a ROI thread months ago regarding the PB (something to the effect of Does your PB make you money? )...
The PB is a good device that will get better.
Fact: RIM blew the marketing campaign.
Fact: RIM missed communicated deadlines.
Fact: RIM missed expectations.
RIM deserves the albatross it created, fed, and grew.. No doubt about that at all. However, when I see someone with no posting history jump on and start bashing, that warrants a level of suspicion. Of course by now they read this thread and will probably switch their tactics.
Anyhoo, we just need to keep constructively discussing the good and bad of PB in hopes that RIM leadership are listening instead of hearing.
11-25-11 11:45 AM - I had written a long reply but realized it was turning into another list of lacking playbook features so I deleted it and instead say this:"cuts both ways"
I see much more RIM Bashing than unrealistic RIM love on this site.
For now there is a work-around for not having native email and you can come to this site to find a solution. But some posters continually hammer this point to death like it's a technique in their manual for subversion - a propaganda technique.
You are going to get more complainers than lovers on any internet forum. Its the nature of th beast. People don't search out online forums when they are content with a product - usually only when they have problems.
As to the e-mail, work arounds there are, but, in the end, they just arn't as user freindly as native, and even rim has acknowledged it was the big reason their sales faltered.
Up until this latest sale I would not recommend the playbook to someone without a blackberry. At the new price point I have - it's one **** of a machine for $200 - but at the reg $500 price? Anyone without a blackberry would be better served by an androd tab I think.11-25-11 11:49 AM - That doesn't mean that CrackBerry has to tolerate the dirty tactics in our forums. Take a look at the sudden surge of "analyst opinion" reposts getting spewed into the News/Rumor forum since about April/May. It is neither news nor genuine rumor about RIM products and simply looking at the posting pattern gives it away... Created account and first posts are simply pasted from another site. They rarely post outside the threads they create, except to provide a link back to their threads. This is textbook behavior for professional posters and market manipulators.He who smelt it, dealt it blackjack.
This sounds like standard espionage to me. People like to think that business is fair and if you have a good product or service, you will succeed, when it's not true. Businesses fight dirty. Right now, the sharks smell blood from a wounded RIM and they are looking to make the kill.
Whether it is done to promote the analyst's site and company, bash RIM, or for stock manipulation is unimportant. The simple fact is that our forums are being abused by others for commercial gain. That makes it spam, and with hindsight and recognition of what is happening we should be handling it like any other spam.11-25-11 11:55 AM - When you see someone with just a few posts under their belt putting down RIM, the Playbook and etc. it's really not too hard to figure out what's going on.
Or people who have dumped their BB and yet feel compelled to return here and bash. Or people that find competing platforms and just HAVE to post about their superiority, over and over.
Of course you have to wonder about people who are on the forum for just a few months and already have _thousands_ of postings...Last edited by DaveTheA; 11-25-11 at 12:19 PM. Reason: Thought of further clever things to say...
11-25-11 12:05 PM - When you see someone with just a few posts under their belt putting down RIM, the Playbook and etc. it's really not too hard to figure out what's going on.
Dint forget the objective other than dissing playbook/promoting other devices is to squelch enthusiasm! but blackjack refuses to be squelched or to have his bulb dimmed!!
I have had my times when I have had quite enough, plus I spend far too much time in here for nothing. I threatened to leave until OS 2.0 was out - then got harassed because I came back and "broke my promise". If you really want to know who these people are pay attention to those who harass me. They have successfully gotten me banned twice.
Below is clear testimony that it is indeed effectively chasing enthusiasts away - I got a PM from my only "friend" (lol) that I have not seen in here for awhile - below
Hey blackjack! Actually, since I've joined a very active blackberry bbm group dedicated to talk on RIM, Blackberrys and playbook stuff, I really haven't had a need to use the forum as much. I still browse the news and some posts, but nowhere near what I used to. The group allows me to talk real-time to others, not have any trolls, and I still get my playbook and BB fix.
But yeah, on Web Apps = website. I can them apps because they are still applications, only running on the cloud. I'm trying to get people to see beyond whats installed on their devices. But yes, logging in an using the website may be a little more inconvenient but I believe that mobile sites like m.crackberry.com are great "apps", but not in the traditional sense. Progress will be made on the user-friendliness as "webworks" and "Html5" apps are simply websites! The only difference is that they are complied to .bar files to run as normal apps on the pb. The best part is that they are all free, and you have a better selection!
So really its all the same, unless you want to play an app like "Madden 12" or "Dead space" which require all the cpu and gpu power to run smoothly.
I'll still be around the forums sometimes, but with a BB fan group, it makes discussing Blackberry stuff so much more convenient!
Have a good one!
RossLast edited by blackjack93117; 11-25-11 at 01:06 PM.
11-25-11 12:15 PM - Crap, needed a recipe for Sweet Potato/Pecan Pie.
@blackjack93117. Interesting post. Yeah, if you're here long enough or on any forum, you may start to notice trends. For me, I'm less concerned about the espionage type plots because, the quality of the products by RIM "should" over-shadow the perceived negativity to some or considered to be truth to others. But, I do appreciate you and others being on-point to "out" the "evil-doers" when the rest of us tend to dismiss it as more BS to ignore. Anyway, thanks for posting.11-25-11 12:18 PM - It should but it doesn't - that's what ticks me off - the opposite is true - people come in here to get a first impression of how satisfied users are . When I first come in I was sure I had gotten screwed and was ready to return the thing, but fortunately I stayed around long enough to do some research and found that the hate was unwarranted - that started me getting ticked off at people bad mouthing it unjustifiably - I suspected apple operative all along but was laughed at and ridiculed. When it seemed that the mods were unaware or did not care, I took on the task of fighting them and got banned twice..... the quality of the products by RIM "should" over-shadow the perceived negativity to some or considered to be truth to others. But, I do appreciate you and others being on-point to "out" the "evil-doers" when the rest of us tend to dismiss it as more BS to ignore. Anyway, thanks for posting.11-25-11 12:24 PM
- You left out the Armchair CEOs...When you see someone with just a few posts under their belt putting down RIM, the Playbook and etc. it's really not too hard to figure out what's going on. Or people who have dumped their BB and yet feel compelled to return here and bash. Or people that find competing platforms and just HAVE to post about their superiority, over and over.
Of course you have to wonder about people who are on the forum for just a few months and already have _thousands_ of postings...11-25-11 12:34 PM - Actually it was a tip from a fellow crackberrian in the UK who knew I would take it and run with it - I wasn't the first to smell it. I dont read the BBCHe who smelt it, dealt it blackjack.
Notice , though tempted, I have not named names. I do have my mental list.
Jeez Mom, can't I have ANY fun? You don't let me do anything
You get to do drama in here, why can't I?
can I play with your iphone then??
And the president of the US has a blackberry so what?
Who is the "owner of blackberry" anyway I thought it was publically owned? If I owned it though I would sure be aware of the competition...I guess he can't afford two devices whoever "he" is.
But they can stir it up - pull on a thread so to speak until it unravels the sweater.
When you see someone with just a few posts under their belt putting down RIM, the Playbook and etc. it's really not too hard to figure out what's going on. Or people who have dumped their BB and yet feel compelled to return here and bash. Or people that find competing platforms and just HAVE to post about their superiority, over and over.
Of course you have to wonder about people who are on the forum for just a few months and already have _thousands_ of postings...That would be me. While it may appear I have nothing better to do, or get paid to post, I am a multitasker which is why I love the playbook!
Crackberry entertains me while I work ... while loading software, rebooting, - doing scans, compiling FPGA code on my workstations (2 at once) while my computers are down I have my playbook!
I love it! I used to be dead bored while working - literally stare into space while my computers were busy...sure I could listen to the radio but it was distracting and too many commercials. The playbook does nothing while i have to concentrate, but ready to pick up when I don't.Last edited by blackjack93117; 11-25-11 at 01:08 PM.
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