PlayBook bashing + Kindle Fire reality check
So, what frustrates the **** out of me is to see hardly anyone gripe about the Kindle Fire 7" form factor. When RIM introduced the PB, almost everyone bitched and moaned about the fact that it was too small...
One thing I'm surprised by is that people tend to overlook that, while affordable, the *real* cost of the Kindle Fire comes AFTER you purchase the thing, which is the whole point for its existence! First, in order to make proper use of it, you will need Amazon Prime to get (some) free video + music + storage. Sure, $80/year ain't that bad a deal but now we're already looking at $280 for the KF for year one. And once you're invested, you're likely to renew year over year, especially if you store lots of personal content on their servers.
Now that you're plugged in, you'll probably make a number of impulse buys, just because you can. A magazine subscription here, couple of movies there, the odd CD to listen to, bunch of games / apps... Let's be conservative here and call it an even $120/year.
TBH I'm still on the fence. For $100 more I can get a PlayBook and use it on a day-to-day basis once 2.0 comes out -or- I can get the Kindle Fire and give Amazon a steady stream of my money until it either dies or something better comes along.
- 09-28-11, 04:33 PM #2
I think you need to go do some more reading on the Kindle Fire and reevaluate your rant.
Also a lot of people liked the idea of a 7" tablet. SJ was the one who mostly dissed it and his most loyal followers parroted what he said.
If you're on the go a lot it's a nice size but having a bigger screen does have its merits as you don't have to pinch and zoom as much
- 09-28-11, 04:36 PM #3
Well the $79 per year is not required. You can use the Kindle Fire and buy/rent movies and music at will. My prediction is that the Kindle Fire (and future Fires) will become the biggest selling Android tablets out there. They have the ecosystem in place - lots of people are already invested in Amazon digital content. And OF COURSE they want you to buy into their ecosystem - this is classic Apple and has made them successful. Don't get me wrong, I love my playbook and I can't wait for 2.0 to come out, however, I think Amazon just hit a homerun - Low Price + Ecosystem + Quality.
- 09-28-11, 04:45 PM #4
You go work that out and figure out the cost of owner ship as well. I was with ya, until you skewed the real facts.
I get it, you love your PlayBook.. as do I but let's not be blind to about the real situation here. Everything Amazon is offering, is what PlayBook owners WANT.
Movies, Music, Books, Better Apps.. all of it, people are waiting for on the PlayBook so banging down on the Kindle Fire saying the cost of owner ship is more is redundant because right now if they PlayBook had those things, we'd be spending money on them.
Yow. Didn't expect such bitter responses. Anyway, to the point(s) made:
The PB's 7" form factor was HIGHLY criticized when it first came out yet I have yet to hear people ***** about the Fire's size. That's all I was saying.
The $80/year is not necessary but it'll give you access to the ~11k videos on Amazon, for free and goes towards shipping anything you buy off of amazon.
With regards to content, there isn't much on the PB which isn't a big deal, at least to me. Again, depends what you're using it for. If you use your PB primarily for work, mail + office compatibility is pretty much all you need.
I don't know... Amazon nicely positioned the Fire well with very little confusion as to where it stands. RIM did a horrible job on this front and still hasn't gotten their story straight.
I'll probably end up with neither and go for a Kindle Touch as books are a slow (financial) burn. Pun wholeheartedly intended :-)
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09-28-11, 05:00 PM #7
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If RIM has a video store, a kindle app that works, and 7Digital music store, I'm ok with the PB. While people like the one stop approach, I would rather have choices as to where I'm buying my music, books, or videos. When you are tied in to one system, you are stuck with all of its problems, like iTunes.
- 09-28-11, 05:01 PM #8
Oh the Amazon Fire should do very well. Amazon is a trusted brand with great recognition, and has a large loyal following. I don't even see why this wouldn't make a good companion tablet (I mean in addition to your main tablet). You could pick up a Kindle for 79.00 or a Kindle Touch for 99.00, what is a hundred more? My only gripe about it, is the 8GB of memory. It's not even available in Canada yet, but I will at least be checking this out.
- 09-28-11, 05:01 PM #9
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09-28-11, 05:03 PM #10
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Mux157, u have a point, Steve Jobs said that small tablets were dead on arrival, obviously he was wrong.
Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery.
What bothers me though is that a non-tablet company like Amazon is catching up RIM.... Lets face it, since the announcement of the PB a year ago, there hasnt been much novelty here. Os2 plugs obvious holes in email and apps (Android Player), but the 3g version is not here, a larger PB neither.
Whats next for PB on the hardware front? Its been a year already...
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09-28-11, 05:05 PM #12
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To be honest man, fudge the KF! I'm focused on my kool PB, and the future updates. Hopefully RIM can provide a2dp and hulu capability, an ill be straight. Better yet a real desktop browser experience
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- 09-28-11, 05:06 PM #13
RIM does seem to be slow footing the PB. Now Android is talking about quad core tablets, then you have a host of other Android 7" tablets coming out in the next few weeks.
I think RIM has missed its chance to be a major hit.
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09-28-11, 05:32 PM #19
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No wonder Amazon decided to squash its plans to produce a Kindle app for the Playbook. They had their own Playbook just waiting to be released this whole time.
I have already read one review today praising the Fire for its size, and Adobe Flash capability. Things that reviewers tended to try and make into negatives when the Playbook released. I'm finally realizing that it's all about which companies the tech reviewers like and don't like. Well F*@& 'em. I'll be buying 2 more Playbooks before the end of october.
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09-28-11, 05:38 PM #20
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I'm not convinced that the KF replaces the PB, regardless of Amazon's marketing muscle. More likely the KF will strive to kill of Nook Color. Netflix...well, they are imploding without this, and the Amazon Premier program will not help.
Meanwhile, I would note that the KF has less RAM, less storage, an obsolete operating system, and less functionality than the PB. I would predict that the 10" guys will beat each other bloody at the high end, and Amazon will capture the low end (with a low-cost, primarily entertainment tablet).
That gives the PB an opportunity, if they hold true to their promises for OS2.0 and get it out in a timely manner, to become the tablet of choice for road warriors and hold on to their strength in the enterprise market. If they do not, the PB will become yet another great idea that failed to meet its promise.
RIM has set its deadline, and we should give them the time to meet it. As for the KF...well, nice toy. Like the Karman Ghia almost looked like a Porshe, the KF almost looks like a Playbook!
- 09-28-11, 05:52 PM #21
What makes me laugh about this whole amazon thing is how a "walled garden" like Apple's is now suddenly a good thing: just a few months ago everyone criticized Apple for doing exactly what Amazon is doing now, but now that Amazon is doing it, it's all good.
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09-28-11, 05:53 PM #23
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I think a lot of people are overlooking the fact that this is not a true tablet!! It is more of a glorified e-reader, and is being marketed against the likes of nook color etc.
By their own admission, it is a heavily modified version of android...so in other words, I am really hearing bloated and crippled. It uses amazons app store and not the android app market, so expect a limited catalog that is filtered to this os.
While cloud storage is nice, it necessitates a constant connection to get to your content, so here goes the vision of reading a book on the beach on vacation. And placing amazon prime trial membership as a benefit? I can go to the amazon website and get the trial for free.
Seriously overrated product imo
- 09-28-11, 05:54 PM #24
I'm just SO frustrated with RIM and the fact that they can't seem to get their stuff together. The KF will probably be out before OS 2.0 on the PB!