Plan to Avoid Verizon PB Tethering Fees?? Will it Work?
I have looked carefully at the new PB and it looks very attractive except the uncertainty of any tethering fee from Verizon for using the internet. I already give Verizon enough monthly for my BB and a USB Broadband IF modem for my laptop. I have decided on a potential solution, please tell me if you think this will work. I plan to set up a local area WiFi net at home using a mobile broadband router which accepts my Verizon broadband USB IF. This will allow my wife to use the laptop while at the same time I can use the PB both communicating via WiFi and the router to the Verizon broadband USB interface. We have one of the few remaining unlimited broadband IF accounts so this should allow all the PB internet browsing wanted with no added Verizon costs all from the comfort of my recliner in the evenings. I do not know what will happen when the PB sees both a WiFi signal for internet and a Blue Tooth signal from my BB for email, etc., but I can live with that I think, as I can always turn off the Blue Tooth signal. Before I jump off the deep end, anyone know why this might not work as planned?
- 01-29-11, 06:37 PM #2
The BT connection known as a Bridge should not count toward tethering at all, and your Wifi Solution will work to keep from using your BB as a "modem" for the Playbook.
all in all I would really wait to see what Verizon does about charging customers for the Playbook before starting to worry about how to make a work around.
I can see that there would likely be no bridge fee (i.e. for email, etc.), but have seen zero anywhere from either RIM or Verizon saying there would not be a tethering fee for using the PB to access the internet via the BB/Blue Tooth link. Please provide same if you have a RIM or other quote somewhere. It would be very helpful.
- 01-29-11, 10:08 PM #8
Connecting to the Internet via the Blackberry Smartphone on the Playbook by any means is tethering. Blackberries aren't the only phones that tether via Bluetooth (Windows Mobile does as well, and Verizon has or has has a few of those already), so, using BT to tether the connection doesn't make this some sort of undetectable or unheard of innovation.
Bluetooth Bridging to access the data on your Blackberry (Documents, PIM Data, BBM, etc.) is not tethering. The Playbook is not getting any of that information from the internet. The blackberry is getting it and the playbook is just displaying it...
Bridging to See Information on the Blackberry, or access files on the Blackberry = Verizon doesn't care. It doesn't use their network anyways and this could be done without a data plan or even a WiFi chip on either device.
Accessing the internet on you Playbook via the Blackberry smartphone over Bluetooth = Tethering, and you will be charged accordingly.
- 01-29-11, 10:33 PM #9
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- 01-29-11, 11:16 PM #11
If it tethers I'm pretty sure you're going to be charged a tethering fee.
Speaking of US carriers. Do you think they are going to allow the playbook to tether for free but not any of the other devices like the ipad or tab? Over seas and maybe in Canda carriers may include tethering in your phone data but here in the US they charge for it.
I think there was a little bit of miscommunication from RIM. I've seen two videos of RIM Reps giving demos and the bridge was mention as being used for the PIM stuff.
This question has been asked on here and tons of other blogs and websites and there has been no offical statement from RIM. Why is that?
It's because it would hurt future sells. They spoke pretty quickly on the battery life but have been silent on this.
Doesn't really matter to me as my jailbroken iphone can create a hotspot and connect to it. I've been doing it and haven't been charged although technically I'm suppose to be on the $20 2gig plan and pay an additional $20 to tether
- 01-30-11, 06:09 AM #12
Well bearing in mind I only get 500MB a month (£5/mth), I believe you'll have to pay the tethering fee of £7.50 a month PLUS for £5 fee for the data for every 500MB you want to use for tethering. So basically, it will work out at £12.50 for every 500MB tethered. And £5 for every 500MB non-tethered. O2 nickle and dime you for everything, and even make Verizon look like a cost-effective solution. Oh, and on a slightly related topic, NO UK phone company provides family plans. Every phone has be on an individual contract, not part of a bigger plan. You even have to put your iPad/GTab on a brand new plan as if you didn't already have a contract for your phone.
- 01-30-11, 12:51 PM #14
It was briefly mentioned last year when the PB was 1st demoed. I think there was a little confusion myself, between bridge and tether.
I haven't heard it talked about since then.
Everytime the bridge is mentioned it only speaks of PIM stuff.
A poster posted a leaked PB overview in a thread here
You would think a bullet point to use your existing dataplan from your BB with no additional fees would have been listed.
RIM hasn't came out and cleared it up, even with all the blog, forum talk asking about it.
I think you'll see it mentioned with a * and when you read the * text it was say something like additional data fees may apply. Some carriers overseas include tethering in their data packages. Here in the US I bet they charge.
RIM probably did originally plan to allow you to use internet over the bridge which would seem like your phone was requesting the data. Carriers probably heard that and said RIM, oh no you don't. That's tethering and we charge for that.
People will buy it and say oh well. I feel it's still a good piece of hardware.
If there are tethering fees to use the internet, it would seem the attraction of the PB is greatly decreased and another cheaper WiFi compatible tablet or an iPad would be as attractive or maybe more attractive.
- 01-30-11, 02:06 PM #17
First you find out that if you don't have a BB you have to use web based mail, wait for 3rd party or RIM to finally put it in. They finally spoke it saying it will come as the software evolves. They probably didn't think there would be such an outlash from not including these services. iPad & Android both can do Exchange, yahoo and other mail services out of the box.
2nd You hear the battery life isn't all that . RIM released something pretty quick saying that power management hasn't been turned on.
3rd Bridge/Tether. I already spoke on that in this thread but RIM tight lips speaks volumes to me
All this makes the PB on par with other tablets out there. I do like the 7" screen size. I'll wait and see what's done about exchange email/calendars. I want to hear about VPN functions. In the demos it looks to function smooth.
If the PB is priced too high it may be in trouble though. I think Moto is about to make the same mistake that Galaxy Tab did
Either way I plan to wait till the other tablets are out and see what gives me the options I can live with.
- 01-30-11, 05:29 PM #18First you find out that if you don't have a BB you have to use web based mail, wait for 3rd party or RIM to finally put it in. They finally spoke it saying it will come as the software evolves. They probably didn't think there would be such an outlash from not including these services. iPad & Android both can do Exchange, yahoo and other mail services out of the box.
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- 01-31-11, 03:21 AM #20
- 01-31-11, 09:42 PM #21
- 02-01-11, 04:01 AM #22
Trust me, no matter how much word-of-mouth recommendation I make, it won't work. Personally, now that the Xoom has gone and beaten RIM to the punch, they'll be lucky to sell 50 Playbooks to consumers... Enterprises with BES already deployed, are going to be the main customers for this. And even those numbers are rapidly dropping.
Moral of the story is: RIM, get your **** straight! Or you're gonna go bust. Android is already starting to work its way into the global market, iPhone is taking the UK by storm, with about 30% of the UK being die-hard hardcore iPhone fanboys/girls. And we're talking extremely persuasive iPhone fanboys/girls. That can persuade anyone into getting an iPhone (I know a few whom would beat me up or murder me if they knew I used a BlackBerry, they don't accept I prefer BB to iPhone, and they aren't even friends of mine either, doesn't stop me using a BB though, and it never will).
Basically, people are being feared into buying an iPhone whereas the BB users don't tend to care for violence, and while being fanboyish, don't resort to violence to making people buy a BlackBerry. Android, WinMob, HTC, Samsung, RIM, Nokia, and everyone else, could all work together to build one giga-smartphone, and even then the inferior Apple product would outsell it in every way, because of the aggressive fear-inducing Apple fanboys.
- 02-01-11, 05:26 AM #23
As far as tethering with your Blackberry to use the Internet, I am betting we will all, no matter what carrier, be paying a fee sooner or later. Even AT&T says that for now on if you change from an unlimited plan to any other plan you may never go back to unlimited. I think, in the end, even those who stay on unlimited will sooner or later lose it.
Our president has empowered the FCC to allow all carriers to charge for bandwidth use. The carriers can really do what they want, and will!
People who live on their wireless device and download lots of movies and other large files eat bandwidth SHOULD pay more than someone who uses less or waits till the can jump on WiFi.
Last edited by greggebhardt; 02-01-11 at 05:30 AM.
- 02-01-11, 07:29 AM #24
I know RIM is saying this device is for Enterprise users but they can drop that IMO if the leaked Overview is real, the majority of the bullet points were under the Consumer heading even then you hear about using Flash, being able to watch online videos, the web experience, never talking about using the web pages that tie back into your backend system.
- 02-01-11, 07:39 AM #25
At least that's how I read it. For what it's worth I still think when people go to buy the PB they are going to see an * beside data usage and in small print fees may apply but I guess we'll see.
No tablet is going to be a day one purchase for me. I want to be able to compare the pros and cons of all of them. Either way I plan on using my phones hotspot with what ever tablet I decide on. If someone creates a super app for email/calendar that uses activsync I wouldn't be opposed to using it on a PB if I decide to buy one