[13echo4]

I've seen numerious members refer to them selfs as developers. They run a muck preaching the BBos and b os isn't good to code for ect.ect. People steal stuff yada yada. Why are you here? Seriously? There's so many members that has stated they would pay for whatever apps. Non o these devs pick it up. There's more than PB to get an app on the PB.
Why not build a team say like vlcs? Put out projects for different people or have a project thread and people sign up for projects.
I've said I was stumped on an app I'm working on. Noone oftered advice. I even approached a guy and tol him I would just give him what I've already done which is just about everything if he was interested and he won't even rely with an uninterested.
It makes me wonder why even spend your precious time here. What's the point.

[xsacha]

No idea what you're on about. There's at least 10 people in these forums doing exactly what you describe.
I'm porting anything that people ask for. I even made a thread asking for requests.
Quite busy with the BfW port right now but also done Dukto, Qupzilla, Arora and Bubble Kid, helped out with the original Qt port and several other projects. I've also compiled a dozen or more projects from qt-apps.org like Sokoban.
Other people here have ported emulators, music players, games and so on.

[squished18]

I've seen numerious members refer to them selfs as developers. They run a muck preaching the BBos and b os isn't good to code for ect.ect. People steal stuff yada yada. Why are you here? Seriously? There's so many members that has stated they would pay for whatever apps. Non o these devs pick it up. There's more than PB to get an app on the PB.
Why not build a team say like vlcs? Put out projects for different people or have a project thread and people sign up for projects.
I've said I was stumped on an app I'm working on. Noone oftered advice. I even approached a guy and tol him I would just give him what I've already done which is just about everything if he was interested and he won't even rely with an uninterested.
It makes me wonder why even spend your precious time here. What's the point.

Hi 13echo4:

I have found the blackberry developer community very helpful and open to reasonable requests. Another excellent source of information is the BlackBerry Support Forums hosted by RIM. If you have any specific questions, feel free to post them and you'll usually get a good response within a couple of days. Best of luck in your endeavors.

Cheers,

[alnamvet68]

I can appreciate what the OP is saying, and what a developer or two here might be doing. I personally would like to say native apps developed, not emulators or whatever, or android ported apps. So far, the only app by a developer on this forum that isn't some ported android pre-school game is the e-Mmanuel Bible Reader app. How many times have I posted I would fund a developer if they would simply develop a native app that would send a document directly from the PlayBook to ANY printer with bluetooth for printing? So far, I haven't heard a peep out of any of these professional developers.

My philosophy is "you call, we haul." So far, many here are content steering clear of the dangers that lurk "down range."

[app_Developer]

I can appreciate what the OP is saying, and what a developer or two here might be doing. I personally would like to say native apps developed, not emulators or whatever, or android ported apps. So far, the only app by a developer on this forum that isn't some ported android pre-school game is the e-Mmanuel Bible Reader app. How many times have I posted I would fund a developer if they would simply develop a native app that would send a document directly from the PlayBook to ANY printer with bluetooth for printing? So far, I haven't heard a peep out of any of these professional developers.

My philosophy is "you call, we haul." So far, many here are content steering clear of the dangers that lurk "down range."

So just to help you understand this, suppose I called you and said I have a big pile of stuff I need you to haul.

BUT there is no road yet to where the stuff is. I expect there to be a road in a few months, but I'm not sure exactly when. You could build your own road to my place to do this job if you want, but I'm not going to pay you for that. If you do choose to build your own road for this one job, it could be the other guys build the road before you're done.

So when can you do my job and how much?

There are several of us working on apps for BB10 and Playbook, but not all of the infrastructure is there yet. For example, I'm waiting on geofencing for one app. I was waiting on Cascades for two others. I'm still waiting on push notifications. We've been told by RIm to expect unified smooth device orientation, but thats still not in the beta. These all take time.

To the OP: I'm happy to do what I can to help BB developers who haven't done C++ in a while and need help with that transition.

[alnamvet68]

So just to help you understand this, suppose I called you and said I have a big pile of stuff I need you to haul.

BUT there is no road yet to where the stuff is. I expect there to be a road in a few months, but I'm not sure exactly when. You could build your own road to my place to do this job if you want, but I'm not going to pay you for that. If you do choose to build your own road for this one job, it could be the other guys build the road before you're done.

So when can you do my job and how much?

There are several of us working on apps for BB10 and Playbook, but not all of the infrastructure is there yet. For example, I'm waiting on geofencing for one app. I was waiting on Cascades for two others. I'm still waiting on push notifications. These all take time.

To the OP: I'm happy to do what I can to help BB developers who haven't done C++ in a while and need help with that transition.

Not a problem brother; UH1-D's were my first friend, and I don't need no stinkin' road to go wherever I want.

[app_Developer]

Not a problem brother; UH1-D's were my first friend, and I don't need no stinkin' road to go wherever I want.

Ok, well, in development we don't have helicopters to just fly over hurdles like this. We either wait for the vendor to give us what we need or we build it ourselves. A lot of this, though is "coming soon" from RIM, so we wait.

[alnamvet68]

Ok, well, in development we don't have helicopters to just fly over hurdles like this. We either wait for the vendor to give us what we need or we build it ourselves. A lot of this, though is "coming soon" from RIM, so we wait.

That's wonderfull; now tell me, who's going to develop that native PlayBook To Blue Tooth Printer app who's development I'm willing to subsidize?

[app_Developer]

That's wonderfull; now tell me, who's going to develop that native PlayBook To Blue Tooth Printer app who's development I'm willing to subsidize?

I don't know of a general solution to that problem, other than printing via a PC (or Mac). Perhaps someone with more printer driver experience will chime in.

[alnamvet68]

I don't know of a general solution to that problem, other than printing via a PC (or Mac). Perhaps someone with more printer driver experience will chime in.

Now we're getting somewhere. It's a good thing I have the patience of a Trappist Monk, since that's the first sign of life indicating someone is hearing me now.

[app_Developer]

Now we're getting somewhere. It's a good thing I have the patience of a Trappist Monk, since that's the first sign of life indicating someone is hearing me now.

Oh, we'll FWIW, I heard you the first time you asked for it. I just don't think the infrastructure is there yet for this. But, would you be OK with printing via a PC or Mac? That's how a few different apps handle this on the iPad for example.

[alnamvet68]

Oh, we'll FWIW, I heard you the first time you asked for it. I just don't think the infrastructure is there yet for this. But, would you be OK with printing via a PC or Mac? That's how a few different apps handle this on the iPad for example.

Actually, no. I can print from my laptops directly to a printer via Bluetooth. With the PB configured the way it is, to print, say to a HP printer, one would have to either be connected via wi-fi or on bridge, send the document to an e-mail address that in turn would send the document to the printer. When I want to fly to Madrid from Dulles, I don't take a plane that takes a heading of 270, and circumnavigates 3/4's of the globe to get me there, if you know what I mean.

[shupor]

I've seen numerious members refer to them selfs as developers. They run a muck preaching the BBos and b os isn't good to code for ect.ect. People steal stuff yada yada. Why are you here? Seriously? There's so many members that has stated they would pay for whatever apps. Non o these devs pick it up. There's more than PB to get an app on the PB.
Why not build a team say like vlcs? Put out projects for different people or have a project thread and people sign up for projects.
I've said I was stumped on an app I'm working on. Noone oftered advice. I even approached a guy and tol him I would just give him what I've already done which is just about everything if he was interested and he won't even rely with an uninterested.
It makes me wonder why even spend your precious time here. What's the point.

I can understand your frustration but i could not disagree with you more. I have no coding knowledge myself but thanks to the crackberry community (special thanks to users like xsacha and crucial xtreme) i have been able to build an app albeit a simple one from scratch.

Good luck on your project

[app_Developer]

Actually, no. I can print from my laptops directly to a printer via Bluetooth.

Well, sure, but that's because a desktop OS has the architecture to support this easily. RIM should build such support into BB10, that would be an interesting advantage. Some of this is in iOS5.

With the PB configured the way it is, to print, say to a HP printer, one would have to either be connected via wi-fi or on bridge, send the document to an e-mail address that in turn would send the document to the printer. When I want to fly to Madrid from Dulles, I don't take a plane that takes a heading of 270, and circumnavigates 3/4's of the globe to get me there, if you know what I mean.

Well, there are iPad apps that eliminate the email step. So there is a listener that runs on the PC and that acts as a proxy for the printer.

if your requirement is direct bluetooth printing without a proxy PC or Mac, I can't think of a way to solve that generally.

Actually, scratch that, I can think of a way, but it would be a very high level of effort and probably won't really work with ALL printers (maybe not financially smart). After I get my Tumblr app done for BB10, I'll poke around with this a bit.

[alnamvet68]

Well, sure, but that's because a desktop OS has the architecture to support this.



Well, there are iPad apps that eliminate the email step. So there is a listener that runs on the PC and that acts as a proxy for the printer.

if your requirement is direct bluetooth printing without a proxy PC or Mac, I can't think of a way to solve that generally.

Actually, scratch that, I can think of a way, but it would be a very high level of effort and probably won't really work with ALL printers (maybe not financially smart). After I get my Tumblr app done for BB10, I'll poke around with this a bit.

As mentioned in another thread, it doesn't just have to be Bluetooth...wi-fi, network, etc; whatever it takes to skip the proxy.

[13echo4]

So just to help you understand this, suppose I called you and said I have a big pile of stuff I need you to haul.

BUT there is no road yet to where the stuff is. I expect there to be a road in a few months, but I'm not sure exactly when. You could build your own road to my place to do this job if you want, but I'm not going to pay you for that. If you do choose to build your own road for this one job, it could be the other guys build the road before you're done.

So when can you do my job and how much?

There are several of us working on apps for BB10 and Playbook, but not all of the infrastructure is there yet. For example, I'm waiting on geofencing for one app. I was waiting on Cascades for two others. I'm still waiting on push notifications. We've been told by RIm to expect unified smooth device orientation, but thats still not in the beta. These all take time.

To the OP: I'm happy to do what I can to help BB developers who haven't done C++ in a while and need help with that transition.

No my friend the road is there. It might not be paved the way you think it should be. And that's fine. A plite no thank you and be on your way. Don't sit at the truck stop or public dump and put down the man's road or his job because you don't like the road.
I'm sorry I didn't specify, there are devs in here that do a great job in helping and getting stuff out to people. They know who they are and we thank them with the button and in writting. I talking about the ones who don't. Who put down the os any chance they get.
This has been going on for awhile and I know I'm not tbe one seen it. I've been wanting to ask this for awhile. I held my tongue because I didntnwant name calling etc etc. So today I decided I'd leave names out of it. The ones doing the work you know who you are and we do to. The ones blowing hot air knows as well.
App_developer I can appreciate you not wanting to take your 100k tractor and 35k trailer to the field to haul grain. You know us farmers buy used equiment to do that stuff with. Plus.you can.sit in your nice tractor an wait until the gravel is paved. Don't come around and say there's no money in hauling grain. There's a lifely hood in it that. Big part of America makes at it.
If your not going to be part of the solution don't offer yourself to the problem.

[BuzzStarField]

Actually, no. I can print from my laptops directly to a printer via Bluetooth. With the PB configured the way it is, to print, say to a HP printer, one would have to either be connected via wi-fi or on bridge, send the document to an e-mail address that in turn would send the document to the printer. When I want to fly to Madrid from Dulles, I don't take a plane that takes a heading of 270, and circumnavigates 3/4's of the globe to get me there, if you know what I mean.

There is one huge problem with your request for printing via Bluetooth. This is it: There is no way to do this (yet) because there are no APIs fir Bluetooth profiles that are available to mere mortal third-party developers. It doesn't matter how much you want stuff; if there is no way to get it done then it will not be done.

[BuzzStarField]

No my friend the road is there. It might not be paved the way you think it should be. And that's fine. A plite no thank you and be on your way. Don't sit at the truck stop or public dump and put down the man's road or his job because you don't like the road.
I'm sorry I didn't specify, there are devs in here that do a great job in helping and getting stuff out to people. They know who they are and we thank them with the button and in writting. I talking about the ones who don't. Who put down the os any chance they get.
This has been going on for awhile and I know I'm not tbe one seen it. I've been wanting to ask this for awhile. I held my tongue because I didntnwant name calling etc etc. So today I decided I'd leave names out of it. The ones doing the work you know who you are and we do to. The ones blowing hot air knows as well.
App_developer I can appreciate you not wanting to take your 100k tractor and 35k trailer to the field to haul grain. You know us farmers buy used equiment to do that stuff with. Plus.you can.sit in your nice tractor an wait until the gravel is paved. Don't come around and say there's no money in hauling grain. There's a lifely hood in it that. Big part of America makes at it.
If your not going to be part of the solution don't offer yourself to the problem.

Don't be silly. You make it sound like developers are going out of their way to avoid giving you the app that you crave. In my experience, if there is a way to build what you need and there is a reasonable expectation that money can be made, then the app will arrive like magic. If either of these conditions is not met, then your requests will be in vain.

[alnamvet68]

There is one huge problem with your request for printing via Bluetooth. This is it: There is no way to do this (yet) because there are no APIs fir Bluetooth profiles that are available to mere mortal third-party developers. It doesn't matter how much you want stuff; if there is no way to get it done then it will not be done.

Where there's a need, there's a way. If we can go to the moon and back, then developing such an app is really, in the humongous scheme of things, very small potatoes.

Money will drive such an endeavor, and I've got the money if someone has the skill set, and more importantly, the giant balls needed to take me up on the offer; dilettantes and those with raisinettes need not apply.

[BuzzStarField]

Where there's a need, there's a way. If we can go to the moon and back, then developing such an app is really, in the humongous scheme of things, very small potatoes.

Money will drive such an endeavor, and I've got the money if someone has the skill set, and more importantly, the giant balls needed to take me up on the offer; dilettantes and those with raisinettes need not apply.

Give me a break. You might want a cheap trip to the moon for a weekend vacation but if the transportation is not available your're not going to get there at the price that you are willing to pay. If there was a way to give you a Bluetooth printer app, developers with the required skills would be falling all over themselves to deliver it to you. But they need tools and only RIM can provide them.

[Saul89]

There's way too many metaphors going on in this thread...

[alnamvet68]

There's way too many metaphors going on in this thread...

Don't you just love ornamental and lyrical poetry?

[BuzzStarField]

There's way too many metaphors going on in this thread...

I am sorry that we have set your head spinning but I just want to make it clear to people who want certain apps right this very instant - you can't get blood from a stone.

[app_Developer]

No my friend the road is there. It might not be paved the way you think it should be. And that's fine. A plite no thank you and be on your way.

RIM engineers have been very honest about the situation, especially down in Orlando. There are APIs that are missing from the OS right now. That's not a secret. Some of them are rather big ones. RIM has said some of them will be there by BB10 launch, and some will come along after the launch in subsequent versions of the OS.

There's no reason to say no thanks and move on, because I think RIM will finish the OS and provide the missing APIs we need. So I'm going to continue to wait until they've done some particular APIs that I need for the apps I'm building. Meanwhile, I'm making great progress with the UI finally with Cascades. (BTW, I also think they will fix the mistakes they made with multitasking, and in the notes my friend took in Orlando I can see hints of this already, which is very positive)

It's not that dramatic. It's not "oh my God, this is a terrible OS". It's simply "so far so good, now let's look forward to the finished product".

But let's be realistic about this, the OS is not finished yet. That should not be a shocking revelation. Contrary to the uninformed opinions of people who aren't professional developers, without internal access within RIM there is no way that an outsider can do anything we can dream of with their platform. There are pieces that RIM themselves need to develop still that we can't just tack on the side as third-party developers.

[xsacha]

There is no Bluetooth API at this stage. It's not possible to make an app that does what you want.
When the API is available, then we can make those apps.