- 04-11-2012, 12:00 PM #51
You're working with a lot of assumptions. Facts are that NO TABLET OTHER THAN APPLE's sold well.
Calling the PlayBook a disaster based on sold units only is moot point if you take the tablet market all together in consideration.
But as you said, I won't insist any more. No point right?
PS: "" does not make you look smart.
- 04-11-2012, 12:03 PM #52
Did I ever say anything about other tablets? But you are right. Most other tablets were also unsuccessful. They are also in the flops lists. Including the Playbook. That doesn't make the Playbook successful.
As for assumptions, pardon me, but it's you who seems to be the master of them
- CrackBerry Genius
04-11-2012, 12:06 PM #53
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Interesting. This should increase PB sales and interest.
In terms of network mobility, this service has largely been a financial failure for the networks. There are a low percentage of Pads sold with network compared to WIFI only.
> for BB Phone owners with tether and bridge,
> smart phone owners with tethering,
are all you need.
> Many new smart phones also include WIFI hotspot.
Why spend more for additional network plans?
- 04-11-2012, 12:06 PM #54
(2) Apple missed their ipad sales figures vs wall street consensus for 2 quarters last year.
As I said it, you don't hear the other disasters --- just because they aren't listed in the US and aren't subject to US SEC filing rules.
The best selling non-ipad tablet is the Kindle Fire --- which is sold at a loss.
- 04-11-2012, 12:09 PM #55
- 04-11-2012, 12:17 PM #56
The Playbook has outsold many of its competitors like the Xoom (which has more expensive parts and you have to send the unit back to Motorola to add a LTE radio).
- 04-11-2012, 12:20 PM #57
04-11-2012, 12:22 PM #58
- 850 Posts
I think its a good thing coming out with a 4g playbook. We will see how well it sells but for me, the primary thing I think about it them being able to test these models months before bb10 launch, and possible fix any bugs in the connectivity. They might not use the exact same hardware as bb10, but the software is pretty close, and we don't want for RIM what just happened to Nokia with their Lumia 900 not receiving data connections.
- 04-11-2012, 12:36 PM #61
- 04-11-2012, 12:46 PM #63
But if you look at all the other disasters --- the Playbook would fare a lot better because it is a 7 incher (much lower parts costs). RIM didn't put in a 1280x1024 10 inch screen and a 4G radio into their tablet.
- 04-11-2012, 01:02 PM #65
- CrackBerry User
04-11-2012, 01:31 PM #69
- 23 Posts
Wouldn't a 3 or 4G version of the PB be more for people who dont use a BB phone?
Wouldn't all carriers prefer it this way so each user would not be able to use the connection from there phone and have to purchase another data plan?
I hope it doesn't go in that direction.
I love the fact that my BB phone and PB share the connection!
- CrackBerry Abuser
04-11-2012, 02:43 PM #72
- 235 Posts
kennyliu, Amazon operates on razor thin margin, and it is getting thinner. They are sacrificing profitability on empire building. It is all apparent in their financials.
Did you know that despite their relative size, RIM earns TWICE as much profits in absolute dollars as AMZN? Go check it yourself on Money: Personal finance, investing news & advice - MSN Money
Many analysts are now expecting Amazon to make an operating loss (NOT loss due to write-downs) in the near future.
I'll give it to you that RIM earns no margin on PB, but the rest of their business has healthy margins, including software/services (e.g. App World). Don't confuse volume with business success.
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- CrackBerry Abuser
04-11-2012, 02:56 PM #75
- 235 Posts
Thor has said that PlayBook is a "reference implementation" for the new platform, with the purpose of seeding the market, and also give developers something tangible to work with. The money-makers will follow later in the form of BB10 phones, car dashboards, mobile fusion, app world etc.
They should've launched PB with better marketing and lower price, yes, and it is absolutely loss-making as a standalone product. But as a reference implementation for a whole new platform, it's too early to call it a failure.