- Here we go...
Yes, as a title i want to talk about this PB and any posibility we should get.
Since BB failed give us OS10,
Yess... this PB (definetly) got LOCKED BOOTLOADER since OS2.1 came to us.
But, MAYBE...
Can we fool this locked bootloader? so we can tweak this devices for some "cool purpose", even install android OS'es on it...
Comparing Playbook, the terms of locked bootloader with any devices,
let's say android phone/tablet such a motorola droids who got same locked bootloader situation from vendor (vzw, att, etc).
And Lucky they have an app call " Safestrap ", that can build a virtual slots for booting, and bypass-ing the stock OS, and
directly insist the device to boot up from any OS installed on this slots.
So it's not even touch the stock OS, and of course this app file in 'apk' form and just done on a rooted devices (super user).
In a similar terms condition,
maybe we can just convert this apk, sideload it and make some virtual slots on PB...?
I already have this apk, successfuly convert it and signed to bar file using BBHTools, but i'm not yet sideload it,
because the point is the playbook is not in "Rooted" state, that BB forces us to updates PB OS from they server,
make a playbook like they failed legacy and nothing anyother can break it's code.
Maybe there someone outside there, tweaker, cooker, still struggling with this PB's future,
BB didn't give us a OS10, but at least we can try anyother way that make this device a litle luck.
Any vision...?02-07-15 06:27 AMLike 0 - I don't believe using an android app in that manner would work. They are two independent systems built differently and with their own security checks. It would be like trying to run a Linux program on bsd to mess with the core OS files and expecting the exact same results. (Excuse my horrible analogy but it's easiest way to explain it.).
Things will be placed differently in different OS's, for the most part.
Tricking the boot loader into believing the new OS is signed by Blackberry would probably be your best bet but, as far as I'm aware, no one's managed that as of yet. Maybe, somehow, modify an autoloader/blitz file?
I've done my fair share of programming but haven't tread too far into the depths of OS programming so I'd be damn near talking out of my *** trying to give any further details.
Posted via CB10Nayalm likes this.02-07-15 06:48 AMLike 1 - I don't believe using an android app in that manner would work. They are two independent systems built differently and with their own security checks. It would be like trying to run a Linux program on bsd to mess with the core OS files and expecting the exact same results. (Excuse my horrible analogy but it's easiest way to explain it.).
Things will be placed differently in different OS's, for the most part.
Tricking the boot loader into believing the new OS is signed by Blackberry would probably be your best bet but, as far as I'm aware, no one's managed that as of yet. Maybe, somehow, modify an autoloader/blitz file?
I've done my fair share of programming but haven't tread too far into the depths of OS programming so I'd be damn near talking out of my *** trying to give any further details.
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Why we still can not get they failed legacy code after they failed this devices..?
At least, maybe someone did replacing they "phisicaly PB's Flash IC", and fill it with anyother OSes...02-07-15 07:14 AMLike 0 - I don't believe changing any internal hardware could work because, if I remember what I read correctly, the system checks each piece of hardware to make sure it's straight from Blackberry during boot. That's the reason boot times tend to be slower than android.
Posted via CB1002-07-15 03:17 PMLike 0 - Aaaand here comes another one, headed towards failure, like the ones before himThud Hardsmack likes this.02-07-15 03:24 PMLike 1
- Here we go...
Yes, as a title i want to talk about this PB and any posibility we should get.
Since BB failed give us OS10,
Yess... this PB (definetly) got LOCKED BOOTLOADER since OS2.1 came to us.
But, MAYBE...
Can we fool this locked bootloader? so we can tweak this devices for some "cool purpose", even install android OS'es on it...
Comparing Playbook, the terms of locked bootloader with any devices,
let's say android phone/tablet such a motorola droids who got same locked bootloader situation from vendor (vzw, att, etc).
And Lucky they have an app call " Safestrap ", that can build a virtual slots for booting, and bypass-ing the stock OS, and
directly insist the device to boot up from any OS installed on this slots.
So it's not even touch the stock OS, and of course this app file in 'apk' form and just done on a rooted devices (super user).
In a similar terms condition,
maybe we can just convert this apk, sideload it and make some virtual slots on PB...?
I already have this apk, successfuly convert it and signed to bar file using BBHTools, but i'm not yet sideload it,
because the point is the playbook is not in "Rooted" state, that BB forces us to updates PB OS from they server,
make a playbook like they failed legacy and nothing anyother can break it's code.
Maybe there someone outside there, tweaker, cooker, still struggling with this PB's future,
BB didn't give us a OS10, but at least we can try anyother way that make this device a litle luck.
Any vision...?02-07-15 04:55 PMLike 0 -
- I don't believe changing any internal hardware could work because, if I remember what I read correctly, the system checks each piece of hardware to make sure it's straight from Blackberry during boot. That's the reason boot times tend to be slower than android.
Posted via CB1002-08-15 08:54 AMLike 0 - Yep, no ones messing with a blackberry unfortunately or fortunately depending on how you look at it. It's dug in deep starting from the hardware and then checking hardware and software all the way until the tablet or phone boots and runs. Any failure of checks up to that point and it's a total fail.
You could swap out all the blackberry signed hardware but essentially at that point you've just built a new tablet. THE only thing that could be possible would be for BB themselves to bring out an OS update that's signed that insructs all the other checks to ignore the installing of another OS. Obviously though that isn't going to happen though because BB would be worried that your new choice of OS maybe able to exploit BB security in some way while BB have lowered its defences a little thus compromising other products.
Probably wouldn't be the case but BB aren't going to use the time checking every scenario or building that patch so its easier/cheaper/safer for them to just not let you.02-08-15 11:57 AMLike 0 - I don't believe changing any internal hardware could work because, if I remember what I read correctly, the system checks each piece of hardware to make sure it's straight from Blackberry during boot. That's the reason boot times tend to be slower than android.
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okay..... exactly it's must be possible right..? but maybe tough or needed a specials super skill to make it done...Last edited by f4ckj4r; 02-08-15 at 11:33 PM. Reason: typo screen touching
02-08-15 11:30 PMLike 0 - Yep, no ones messing with a blackberry unfortunately or fortunately depending on how you look at it. It's dug in deep starting from the hardware and then checking hardware and software all the way until the tablet or phone boots and runs. Any failure of checks up to that point and it's a total fail.
You could swap out all the blackberry signed hardware but essentially at that point you've just built a new tablet. THE only thing that could be possible would be for BB themselves to bring out an OS update that's signed that insructs all the other checks to ignore the installing of another OS. Obviously though that isn't going to happen though because BB would be worried that your new choice of OS maybe able to exploit BB security in some way while BB have lowered its defences a little thus compromising other products.
Probably wouldn't be the case but BB aren't going to use the time checking every scenario or building that patch so its easier/cheaper/safer for them to just not let you.02-08-15 11:39 PMLike 0 - Yep, no ones messing with a blackberry unfortunately or fortunately depending on how you look at it. It's dug in deep starting from the hardware and then checking hardware and software all the way until the tablet or phone boots and runs. Any failure of checks up to that point and it's a total fail.
You could swap out all the blackberry signed hardware but essentially at that point you've just built a new tablet. THE only thing that could be possible would be for BB themselves to bring out an OS update that's signed that insructs all the other checks to ignore the installing of another OS. Obviously though that isn't going to happen though because BB would be worried that your new choice of OS maybe able to exploit BB security in some way while BB have lowered its defences a little thus compromising other products.
Probably wouldn't be the case but BB aren't going to use the time checking every scenario or building that patch so its easier/cheaper/safer for them to just not let you.02-09-15 09:11 AMLike 0 -
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Much smarter people than you or I have tried this and failed. But go for it, I look forward to your progress if any.02-11-15 01:28 PMLike 0 - Two easier options imo would be convincing BlackBerry to unlock it and getting sperm out of a wooden rocking horse
You've got to also ask yourself what you would do with it if you unlocked it? Hardware is getting a bit past sell by date so older droid os or maybe Ubuntu.
Hell of a lot of effort and time with pretty much no reward other than bragging rights.
Probably also impossible. Top Hackers tend to do things just because they can. They seem to have gave up. Feels a bit like stripping down the space shuttle bit by bit and building a non stick frying pan out of the parts.
Go ahead though, I would live Ubuntu on mine.
Posted via CB1002-11-15 02:42 PMLike 0 - i just asume, if in past OSes before 2.1 cameout, definetly we have 'power' that we can get any stuff like usb port (OTG), we can root it, using 'dingle' (CW), or even rollback the OSes.. as i asume that's work like a charm.. and did not find any messed thing just like now.
Okay maybe BB done patching it, but are this realy patching only...?
let's figure it out..
there's hundred codecracking out there, beside this tablet is an "ancient form of OS10".
Dood, if you have the hardware to write a NON writable eeprom, the one that provides the keys upon power on, then rewrite the next 2 layers of encryption, and then remove the security checks of the entire OS, then go for it. The device is as secure as a FIPs device can get now.
Much smarter people than you or I have tried this and failed. But go for it, I look forward to your progress if any.
i'm not going to insist someone here, but just figuring what we gonna do then, when we can't get any from BB after all?02-11-15 03:08 PMLike 0 - Dood, if you have the hardware to write a NON writable eeprom, the one that provides the keys upon power on, then rewrite the next 2 layers of encryption, and then remove the security checks of the entire OS, then go for it. The device is as secure as a FIPs device can get now.
Much smarter people than you or I have tried this and failed. But go for it, I look forward to your progress if any.
Is the last line your signature or is it just thrown around on these forums whenever? If you just like to throw it around, may I ask what my IQ is? I'm slightly confused as to how you are aware of my intelligence level.
Posted via CB1002-11-15 03:26 PMLike 0
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