[Tre Lawrence]

Isn't the player supposed to run in a sandbox? This way those scary, dirty Android apps won't get you.

You folks are downloading apps from unknown sources and complaining about malware.

Anyhoo, I'm liking the concept. I don't like the unfettered access to apps that are not free.

[AngusMcTavish]

Perhaps you just won't be happy & will be better suited to a different platform?

so we all happy now because we got android apps?
what if we get ios player? would we be happier?
rim is admitting defeat. if android apps can be played in an emulator/player then why would they develop qnx-based applications?

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[AngusMcTavish]

The paid apps that I'm loading are apps that I purchased using my android market account on my HD2. The license allows for installation on any android device I own. That's not to say some people aren't loading pirated apps, but I'm not. Therefore I'm also aware of the source. I don't have any problem doing this.

Isn't the player supposed to run in a sandbox? This way those scary, dirty Android apps won't get you.

You folks are downloading apps from unknown sources and complaining about malware.

Anyhoo, I'm liking the concept. I don't like the unfettered access to apps that are not free.

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[Tre Lawrence]

The paid apps that I'm loading are apps that I purchased using my android market account on my HD2. The license allows for installation on any android device I own. That's not to say some people aren't loading pirated apps, but I'm not. Therefore I'm also aware of the source. I don't have any problem doing this.






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You seem to have ethics. Others don't seem to have qualms.

[sportline]

[QUOTE=AngusMcTavish;6504791]Perhaps you just won't be happy & will be better suited to a different platform?

i got android tabphone and ipad, and torch +pb. i have tried almost all platform and hardwares apart from windows 7 phones.
what confuse me is that this is piecemeal solution at best. what benefit does this android application porting does?
good for users, maybe, but to overall device development?
i would rather have a BBOS 6 or 7 playbook with a decent, working applications rather than having qnx browser tablet ( with virtually minimum applications), which then ported to android, and what else? rim will lost focus in developing the software.

[lnichols]

i got android tabphone and ipad, and torch +pb. i have tried almost all platform and hardwares apart from windows 7 phones.
what confuse me is that this is piecemeal solution at best. what benefit does this android application porting does?
good for users, maybe, but to overall device development?
i would rather have a BBOS 6 or 7 playbook with a decent, working applications rather than having qnx browser tablet ( with virtually minimum applications), which then ported to android, and what else? rim will lost focus in developing the software.

It will be able to play BBOS apps soon too, possibly with a separate player. BBOS was too limited and RIM needed something new to take them forward. If they went Android it would have been a nightmare to get it FIPS approved, where QNX already had a Secure OS. Once they go all QNX on the phones the native QNX development should pick up.

[dkingsf]

i think is awesome for the playbook. i wonder how many people regret now selling theirs PB's? or wonder if PB's price will eventually start to rise on craiglist/ebay. what RIM promised is finally coming to fruit OR we getting a glimpse of it. in the end we are seeing how powerful this tablet really is...i told my friend who is a die hard apple fan that im running some android apps on this thing...he didnt believe me. we meeting up for lunch pretty soon here in miami beach and i shall show it to him...

I haven't sold mine so I don't regret that. I do still regret buying it.

[sportline]

It will be able to play BBOS apps soon too, possibly with a separate player. BBOS was too limited and RIM needed something new to take them forward. If they went Android it would have been a nightmare to get it FIPS approved, where QNX already had a Secure OS. Once they go all QNX on the phones the native QNX development should pick up.

so which one is more difficult , porting BBOS apps or Android?
which one is more beneficial (BBBOS in my opinion since its secure?) ?
getting BBOS applications will help a lot and it will be inside rim's environment. this android porting is not as easy as it looks. don't know about legal aspects etc, are we porting paid apps? or thru blapkmarket?

[CrackedBarry]

in the end we are seeing how powerful this tablet really is...

Seeing how powerful it is, or seeing how poor the native software selection for the PB really is?

Seeing how excited everyone is, sure kinda puts a dent in the whole "Apps, bah humbug! I've got FLASH!"-argument though.

Personally I think it's a really dumb move on RIMs part. It'll hurt native PB development, and possibly cost customers in the long term.

Imagine a PB owner who starts using more and more time with the Android player, and Android apps. And then imagine his surprise when he realizes that the best games and the real tablet apps won't run on the Android player. Why would he keep the PB? Android tablets have similar or more powerful hardware than the PB. Formfactor is the same. It's a slippery slope...

[AngusMcTavish]

Again I have to say it comes down to options, options for developers & for users. You for example would like the option to run BBOS apps, that option is coming. I like the option of running android apps, again that option is coming. So eventually both our desires will be catered to. I imagine that still won't be good enough for some people but that's why there are competing platforms. I don't think the "perfect" device exists but it appears that the PlayBook will offer more "options" than most.

[QUOTE=sportline;6504825]

Perhaps you just won't be happy & will be better suited to a different platform?

i got android tabphone and ipad, and torch +pb. i have tried almost all platform and hardwares apart from windows 7 phones.
what confuse me is that this is piecemeal solution at best. what benefit does this android application porting does?
good for users, maybe, but to overall device development?
i would rather have a BBOS 6 or 7 playbook with a decent, working applications rather than having qnx browser tablet ( with virtually minimum applications), which then ported to android, and what else? rim will lost focus in developing the software.

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[radhe]

Couple of things I didnt like about the Android Player:
- After starting the Player, I consumes PB Battery like anything....its really really bad
- Loading times is another big negative point...need improvement
- Big Big Big Drawback is .... No Multitasking....PB is suppose to be a true multi-tasking tablet....but with this Android Player, its one application at a time....thats bad !!!
- Keyboard - Why are people complaining about the Android Keyboard...IMO its PERFECT....its nice & small...it covers only 1/4 of the screen....so now I have more working space....if u look at PB Keyboard, it covers more than 1/2 of the screen which is really really irritating...I would say go with the Android Player as its size is perfect for a 7" tablet

[sportline]

[QUOTE=AngusMcTavish;6504872]Again I have to say it comes down to options, options for developers & for users. You for example would like the option to run BBOS apps, that option is coming. I like the option of running android apps, again that option is coming. So eventually both our desires will be catered to. I imagine that still won't be good enough for some people but that's why there are competing platforms. I don't think the "perfect" device exists but it appears that the PlayBook will offer more "options" than most.

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i run android device to run android apps. this cross-platform emulation never succeed. has anyone tried this across smartphone/tablet phone lately? like ios running symbian or windows phone running webos emulators? none.
from business perspective:
rim lost credibility. native developers will run away. market analyst will just sneer. reviewer and tech site comments is full of ridicule.

from developers point of view:
the apps may not be fully performing if its not made native. and they expect good performance so people buy apps. so they will need a solid base to built their own house inside rim's compound.
from users point of view :
people will expect that you can port more and more OS into pb. and the experience may not be good as running an android device. hence more dissapointment.

that's why all players want to develop and stick to their development. so they get independence and finally, a big community of developers and users.
if porting /emulating other OS is such an easy solution, we will have every other playing porting every other OS. no need to develop anything.

[sportline]

Couple of things I didnt like about the Android Player:
- After starting the Player, I consumes PB Battery like anything....its really really bad
- Loading times is another big negative point...need improvement
- Big Big Big Drawback is .... No Multitasking....PB is suppose to be a true multi-tasking tablet....but with this Android Player, its one application at a time....thats bad !!!
- Keyboard - Why are people complaining about the Android Keyboard...IMO its PERFECT....its nice & small...it covers only 1/4 of the screen....so now I have more working space....if u look at PB Keyboard, it covers more than 1/2 of the screen which is really really irritating...I would say go with the Android Player as its size is perfect for a 7" tablet

see? we're not even one day with this android. mambo to the moon!
i use google nexus one since the day it was launched. still got an android device now. battery life is always an issue no matter how good it is. now doing this porting can be dangerous. someone will brick their pb soon, and uninstalling may not be easy, may have to go full wipe.

[AngusMcTavish]

I can't disagree because no one knows if this will be successful or not. I will point to enulators that run on other platforms, both iOS & Android have emulators (gameboy for example). Granted that a rather specific genre with a limited user base but there is always someone that wants the option. We'll see what happens. At the moment I would say that the community has decided this is a good thing, possibly just a stopgap until the NDK & proper native apps, we'll have to wait & see. I don't see getting all negetive over having option though, I'd rather have them than not have them.

[QUOTE=sportline;6504893]

Again I have to say it comes down to options, options for developers & for users. You for example would like the option to run BBOS apps, that option is coming. I like the option of running android apps, again that option is coming. So eventually both our desires will be catered to. I imagine that still won't be good enough for some people but that's why there are competing platforms. I don't think the "perfect" device exists but it appears that the PlayBook will offer more "options" than most.



i run android device to run android apps. this cross-platform emulation never succeed. has anyone tried this across smartphone/tablet phone lately? like ios running symbian or windows phone running webos emulators? none.
from business perspective:
rim lost credibility. native developers will run away. market analyst will just sneer. reviewer and tech site comments is full of ridicule.

from developers point of view:
the apps may not be fully performing if its not made native. and they expect good performance so people buy apps. so they will need a solid base to built their own house inside rim's compound.
from users point of view :
people will expect that you can port more and more OS into pb. and the experience may not be good as running an android device. hence more dissapointment.

that's why all players want to develop and stick to their development. so they get independence and finally, a big community of developers and users.
if porting /emulating other OS is such an easy solution, we will have every other playing porting every other OS. no need to develop anything.

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[sportline]

well people may get crashed, or bricked their pb. that's the bad thing.

the good thing is that this android craze get the attention away from our last updates - broken bridge update and fixing bridge update. anyone remember any update???

[AngusMcTavish]

You can hope, right? You're grasping at straws to try & convince whom? I have an HD2 running android, it isn't supposed to. I have an iphone running android, it isn't supposed to. I have blackberrys running hybrids, they're not supposed to. I have a Pre running preware, it isn't supposed to & a jailbroken iPad. I've yet to "brick" a device.

well people may get crashed, or bricked their pb. that's the bad thing.

the good thing is that this android craze get the attention away from our last updates - broken bridge update and fixing bridge update. anyone remember any update???

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[sportline]

You can hope, right? You're grasping at straws to try & convince whom?



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i gave up hope after 60 days. life goes on, other gadgets to play with.
not grasping at straws, clutching at straws, and i try to convince marillion to sing with fish again

[kb5zht]

well people may get crashed, or bricked their pb. that's the bad thing.

the good thing is that this android craze get the attention away from our last updates - broken bridge update and fixing bridge update. anyone remember any update???

Personally i think the player leak was intentional, albeit with a semi serious "oh no pull that, its unofficial" afterwards, because i believe rim is well aware of the declining opinion of the general public regarding their wok on it since launch.

A few uneventful os updates and now one that had to be pulled and cooked a little longer.... i think pridekept rim from.releasing a beta android player so it was an accidental release. 90 since launch, this device has improved.minimally.

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[sportline]

yeah most likely its intentional, damage control mode. rim, or any company, can always do something and deny later on, or just stay silentl as usual. this is rim specific. every other CEOs from apple to hp appears everywhere and openly support their forum (especially hp with palm community). rim don't even talk or announce anything here. probably don't care.
we will see how people succeed with this leak and android apps. it may messed up everything, or will just easy sailing to glorious land of green robots.adios!

[tprime]

It is actually not bad. I feels like im running my galaxy tab on my playbook. It is nice to know it is something real and not some empty promise.
I dont see any draw backs to having the player.
My experience with the galaxy tab is that android is buggy so I have no plans to buy another android tablet.
Playbook is way better trust. There were just a few i use on there but know I have them on playbook. I could live without them...but since they are available for now...why not??

But honestly for me if they never had an android player I wouldnt mind but if it silences some of the whiners so be it.

[Kerms]

Personally i think the player leak was intentional, albeit with a semi serious "oh no pull that, its unofficial" afterwards, because i believe rim is well aware of the declining opinion of the general public regarding their wok on it since launch.

A few uneventful os updates and now one that had to be pulled and cooked a little longer.... i think pridekept rim from.releasing a beta android player so it was an accidental release. 90 since launch, this device has improved.minimally.

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I said the same thing. I thought RIM leaked this. For one it's sure to stop a lot of negative talk for a while and it's done that. I still say NDK should have came first. Actually developers should have had the NDK before the PB was released or shortly there after

[skyscraper04]

Android is always buggy so we probably will not expect as fluid as QNX and I hope RIM put the honeycomb version and not the gingerbread which is we have now.honeycomb is design for tablets and gingerbread for mobile phones.

[OMGitworks]

It is nice for them to show us what might be possible. However, I won't buy the PB and suspect many won't until it is an official part of the PB universe without having to go into developer mode and sideload it. That's just to hard for most of us.

Android apps are ok, but won't RIM deny us the right to get them except thru their (paid) App store. If so, RIM giveth and then quickly taketh away. Think ATT bridge. Also tough to tout how great it is to use Andriod when you are touting QNX as being superior. I think having the option is great, but wonder how they will split hairs and actually roll it out, and when. Great to see this development, just hope RIM moves quickly and makes some good choices in how they do it.

[narci]

Android is always buggy so we probably will not expect as fluid as QNX and I hope RIM put the honeycomb version and not the gingerbread which is we have now.honeycomb is design for tablets and gingerbread for mobile phones.

I don't think the source code for honeycomb has been released yet.

[lawguyman]

I . . . wonder how they will split hairs and actually roll it out, and when.

Easy. A customer will go to App World, find an App, buy it and use it. The customer will never know if it is an Android App, an Air App or something else. This is how it should work anyway. Let's see how it works in practice.