Wish somebody told us Leap didn't have 5 GHz Wifi band!
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- Please read this again, as it is 100% correct!
Not putting 5GHz in the Leap is a very straightforward and sensible trade-off. Not putting 5GHz into a media streamer (AppleTV, Roku, ChromeCast, etc.) or some other fixed, media-heavy device that isn't likely (or capable) of having a wired connection - now THAT would be stupid. But that's not the issue here. BB made the right choice this time, if something needed to go to maintain their budget.johnkb24 likes this.05-02-15 11:09 AMLike 1 - Now that you mentioned it, I think you've completely nailed it. 5Ghz should not be for mobile phones. it's no wonder why I keep getting dropped signals while moving around my room with my tablets, MacBook and phones when my router is in my room as well. It should be for fixed located devices like TV, desktop and game consoles only.
I think BlackBerry made a good call on this because if someone who is not technical keeps complaining they get dropped signals because they are on 5ghz ac connection and not understanding the technical aspect will easily blame Blackberry is at fault. Blackberry already have enough problems with users not knowing how to access hotspot that they don't need to add on another one to tarnish their reputation further.
Btw, I also notice battery life drops faster on 5ghz band on all my devices.
I think the main advantage of 5Ghz is that it is far less crowded, specially compared to the ridiculously overburdened 2.4Ghz (used by everything it seems).
5Ghz should really be used for high throughput close-proximity connections. Things like connecting to your Smart TV, Roku, NAS, or media intensive desktop. The more you can off load those types of "fixed location devices" onto the 5Ghz band, the less crowded the 2.4Ghz bands will be for mobile devices that need a more reliably/consistent range/coverage (and are often less demanding on bandwidth).
So from a practical standpoint, the Leap (a spartan, work-focused, budget device) not having 5Ghz is not as 'ridiculous' as the OP makes it seem.
Posted via CB10lift and jamesharmeling like this.05-03-15 04:10 PMLike 2 -
The fact that the Z30 is two years older than the Leap only shows how bad this one is...
Posted via CB1005-04-15 01:56 AMLike 0 -
You are comparing a $700 phone to a $350 one. Stop.
Only reason the 30 is cheap now is because it's discontinued and out of production.
Posted via Z1005-04-15 02:10 AMLike 3 - Now that you mentioned it, I think you've completely nailed it. 5Ghz should not be for mobile phones. it's no wonder why I keep getting dropped signals while moving around my room with my tablets, MacBook and phones when my router is in my room as well. It should be for fixed located devices like TV, desktop and game consoles only.
I think BlackBerry made a good call on this because if someone who is not technical keeps complaining they get dropped signals because they are on 5ghz ac connection and not understanding the technical aspect will easily blame Blackberry is at fault. Blackberry already have enough problems with users not knowing how to access hotspot that they don't need to add on another one to tarnish their reputation further.
Btw, I also notice battery life drops faster on 5ghz band on all my devices.05-04-15 11:09 AMLike 0 -
- Bla1zeCB OGI think BlackBerry made a good call on this because if someone who is not technical keeps complaining they get dropped signals because they are on 5ghz ac connection and not understanding the technical aspect will easily blame Blackberry is at fault. Blackberry already have enough problems with users not knowing how to access hotspot that they don't need to add on another one to tarnish their reputation further.05-04-15 03:28 PMLike 2
- Ok, you're right, they probably didn't make a call on it but on the plus side it could be a good thing by not having a feature that could result in more unnecessary complaints.
It wasn't 'a good call', it just lowered the cost of the device. It's not like they said 'Wow, there's a lot of issues with 5G, let's just remove it', it was more 'Well, we already got these parts and they were cheaper anyway, so we'll use them' lol. It was a cost saving measure on a cost-friendly device. Nothing more, nothing less. �\_(ツ)_/�05-04-15 03:41 PMLike 0 - I was dead serious, all he's loosing is 7 hours talk time... But who cares, that's why god made chargers...05-04-15 08:41 PMLike 0
- The Z30 was over $700 at launch and hasn't been in production for some time now. How many times does this need to be said?....
You are comparing a $700 phone to a $350 one. Stop.
Only reason the 30 is cheap now is because it's discontinued and out of production.
Posted via Z10
Why would a quality manufacturer put their name on cheap??? If I wanted a Yugo I'd go buy a Yugo but don't sell me a Yugo with the Cadillac name...05-04-15 08:48 PMLike 0 -
I would have thought that the target audience was fairly clear with the Leap. It's not made or marketed to individuals looking for a high end device.
Also : if he don't like it then don't buy it. I have no idea why people are getting offended over the launch of a cheap phone.....
Posted via Z10world traveler and former ceo and D3C0D3R like this.05-05-15 01:41 AMLike 2 - I would have thought that the target audience was fairly clear with the Leap. It's not made or marketed to individuals looking for a high end device.
Also : if he don't like it then don't buy it. I have no idea why people are getting offended over the launch of a cheap phone.....
Posted via Z10
Look, It's like a vegetarian steak house. Vegetarian's won't stop in a steak house looking for a meal and anyone purposely patronizing a place with steak house in the name isn't looking for a vegetarian dish. Stick with who you are and do THAT well...05-05-15 02:23 AMLike 0 - In my experience, the 5GHz band has performed beautifully, especially in crowded apartment buildings where the 2.4 GHz band is overcrowded. So, I completely agree with the idea that the Leap doesn�t have it due to cost constraints because it is a budget device. But the idea that the 5 GHz is not effective on mobile isn�t true. Here's a Speedtest screenshot from my iPhone that's plenty fast for my current use:
05-05-15 03:11 AMLike 0 - In my experience, the 5GHz band has performed beautifully, especially in crowded apartment buildings where the 2.4 GHz band is overcrowded. So, I completely agree with the idea that the Leap doesn�t have it due to cost constraints because it is a budget device. But the idea that the 5 GHz is not effective on mobile isn�t true. Here's a Speedtest screenshot from my iPhone that's plenty fast for my current use:
https://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...3d1f264538.jpg
Anyway, I have a 18mbps connection and sitting about 5 feet away from the router and running that same test with the same app, results in about 11-13mbps down on 5GHZ, and 15mbps+ on 2.4GHZ in my case.
And there is about half a dozen 2.4GHZ networks around me and no other 5GHZ but me.
My router is a Netgear R6100. It is not the greatest router out there, but it was what the budget dictated to get.
This still is no excuse for being that slow for no reason. Especially that close to it with no obstructions.
I have no cordless phones in my house nor could I think of anything else interfering with it.
So it could be my router, but I'm not gonna buy another just to see.
Posted via CB1005-05-15 08:07 AMLike 0 - kbz1960Doesn't MatterNice Internet speed!
Anyway, I have a 18mbps connection and sitting about 5 feet away from the router and running that same test with the same app, results in about 11-13mbps down on 5GHZ, and 15mbps+ on 2.4GHZ in my case.
And there is about half a dozen 2.4GHZ networks around me and no other 5GHZ but me.
My router is a Netgear R6100. It is not the greatest router out there, but it was what the budget dictated to get.
This still is no excuse for being that slow for no reason. Especially that close to it with no obstructions.
I have no cordless phones in my house nor could I think of anything else interfering with it.
So it could be my router, but I'm not gonna buy another just to see.
Posted via CB1005-05-15 08:13 AMLike 0 -
In my case the 2.4GHZ always wins, both in speed and reliability.
Like I said, maybe I just have a bad router or a bad phone...
Posted via CB1005-05-15 09:34 AMLike 0 -
I suppose the problem with the Leap not having the 5 ghz band is that those users won�t have any option.05-05-15 09:49 AMLike 0 - I have an app on my PC that monitors network traffic. So I did some tests with the same file.
On multiple occasions the 5GHZ started out at about the same speed as the 2.4GHZ.
Starts at about 5mbps then gets faster and sometimes goes above 20mbps. Then dropping down to a crawl of about 20kbps.
The 2.4GHZ speeds up as well, but maintains the speed.
That doesn't happen every time, but often.
Posted via CB1005-05-15 11:24 AMLike 0 - I have an app on my PC that monitors network traffic. So I did some tests with the same file.
On multiple occasions the 5GHZ started out at about the same speed as the 2.4GHZ.
Starts at about 5mbps then gets faster and sometimes goes above 20mbps. Then dropping down to a crawl of about 20kbps.
The 2.4GHZ speeds up as well, but maintains the speed.
That doesn't happen every time, but often.
Posted via CB1005-05-15 02:58 PMLike 0
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